TNA Major Breaking News (possible Spoiler)

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zrinkill;3959775 said:
Go look at TNA main page and tell me who you see.

Try not to be so foolish.

Saying he's a top guy there implies he's getting alot of facetime and a big push on the programming.

Neither could be further from the truth.

He's a figurehead there to create awareness for the brand because he's a huge marketing tool. Nothing more. He's not on the programming, he's not wrestling, etc..
 

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RoyTheHammer;3959782 said:
Saying he's a top guy there implies he's getting alot of facetime and a big push on the programming.

So he was not involved in the main event at the last two pay per views?
 

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RoyTheHammer;3959799 said:
When they told her she needs to lose some weight.

:laugh2:

I Bet they said "Hey Fat girl .... stop eating"

Or they did like they do Big show, mark henry, and every other heavy wrestler and set a weight limit for reasons of their health.


Nice try though.
 

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RoyTheHammer;3959695 said:
Is it commonplace in TNA? Do you have any knowledge of the company at all?

They've made castoffs into main eventers. Since the company began, guys like Samoa Joe, Styles, Daniels, Kaz, Beer Money, Abyss, etc.. are all still there.

At least 50 percent of their entire roster right now are people who have been with that company for years.

Yeah they used to do a great job of building, and pushing, their own guys. That was back when I actually enjoyed TNA and at one point thought they'd really be a force one day.

Then they started taking castoffs from other places and uses them for name value, at the expense of their own guys, and it's went downhill.

Sprinkling in a few known stars, from other places, while continuing to really push and build their own guys would have been the way to go. But whats happened since they brought in Angle, Sting, Flair, Hogan, and the Hardys now? Guys like Joe are being used in pretty much forgotten roles.

Beer Money is still kicking butt, and thankfully they've not managed to screw up continuing to push AJ (although even he's had to take a backseat for long periods of time so Christian, Angle, and more recently, and most distrubingly, so Jeff Hardy could take the spotlight), but a lot of what made them cool, and special, is now just filler on their shows and doesn't get pushed nearly the way it did.

At one point they pushed Abyss as one of the best big men, monster characters there was. They were really doing great with them. Then suddenly they just started pushing him as a giant joke and have went downhill with him every since.



RoyTheHammer;3959700 said:
Yo.. don't lump me in with this guy.

:laugh2:

I didn't mean to put you in there in a bad way in terms of how you guys present your opinions. I respect yours, and your thoughts on the subject, cause you present it right. I just put you in there cause you're one of the more vocal here on the subject. :)
 

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RoyTheHammer;3959722 said:
AJ, Abyss, Beer Money, Jarrett, Matt Morgan, Hernandez, Sting, Steiner, Angle, Samoa Joe, The Pope.

All those guys have been with the company for years now. Steiner has been in and out, but the rest of those guys have been in it for the long haul.

Well maybe i missed something but you were saying TNA's guys. Sting, Steiner, and Angle were not their guys, and were HUGE stars long before they ever came to TNA.

So to me you can't really list them as TNA guys who are main eventers. The rest I can agree with for sure. Except that I think they book Abyss as a joke now, compared to where he was about 5 years ago, and I'm just not sold at all on Morgan. I know he is a main eventer for TNA but he's just so blah to me.


I wish Joe would get a bigger push again. I hate that they're sort of letting him float around, getting stagnant (IMO of course) and I'm a big fan of Pope. I loved him in WWE and I was really sad to see them let him get away. I think he's got star quality written all over him.
 

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zrinkill;3959807 said:
:laugh2:

I Bet they said "Hey Fat girl .... stop eating"

Or they did like they do Big show, mark henry, and every other heavy wrestler and set a weight limit for reasons of their health.


Nice try though.

Actually, knowing Vince...

lol.

Seriously though, word it any way you'd like, but im just telling you they thought she was too fat.
 

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BraveHeartFan;3959866 said:
Well maybe i missed something but you were saying TNA's guys. Sting, Steiner, and Angle were not their guys, and were HUGE stars long before they ever came to TNA.

So to me you can't really list them as TNA guys who are main eventers. The rest I can agree with for sure. Except that I think they book Abyss as a joke now, compared to where he was about 5 years ago, and I'm just not sold at all on Morgan. I know he is a main eventer for TNA but he's just so blah to me.


I wish Joe would get a bigger push again. I hate that they're sort of letting him float around, getting stagnant (IMO of course) and I'm a big fan of Pope. I loved him in WWE and I was really sad to see them let him get away. I think he's got star quality written all over him.

Well, the comment i was responding to was that they never develop their characters long term, and all the guys i mentioned have been there for the long haul. As in more than a couple years. When they were running good, they brought in Angle, Steiner, and Sting, and incorperated them into the program well with the TNA original guys.

I agree though, now they are going too far with Hogan and RVD and Tommy Dreamer, etc.. these guys add little to nothing. I'd like Hardy if he ever got clean. Matt Hardy can go die though.
 

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RoyTheHammer;3960024 said:
Well, the comment i was responding to was that they never develop their characters long term, and all the guys i mentioned have been there for the long haul. As in more than a couple years. When they were running good, they brought in Angle, Steiner, and Sting, and incorperated them into the program well with the TNA original guys.

I agree though, now they are going too far with Hogan and RVD and Tommy Dreamer, etc.. these guys add little to nothing. I'd like Hardy if he ever got clean. Matt Hardy can go die though.


Ahhh gotcha. Makes total sense to me now and I do agree with the statement.
 

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RoyTheHammer;3959782 said:
Saying he's a top guy there implies he's getting alot of facetime and a big push on the programming.

Neither could be further from the truth.

He's a figurehead there to create awareness for the brand because he's a huge marketing tool. Nothing more. He's not on the programming, he's not wrestling, etc..

To be fair there have been a few weeks he is in 3+ segments, but your right he is not the vocal point of the progaming. Some weeks its bischoff, some weeks its Anderson, some weeks its Styles... TNA has been doing a good job with this, WWE it's always Cena on RAW unless Rock is making an appearance, and Orton on SD. Always, no variation. It's been that way with Cena on RAW since what, 2005?
 

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RoyTheHammer;3960024 said:
Well, the comment i was responding to was that they never develop their characters long term, and all the guys i mentioned have been there for the long haul. As in more than a couple years. When they were running good, they brought in Angle, Steiner, and Sting, and incorperated them into the program well with the TNA original guys.

I agree though, now they are going too far with Hogan and RVD and Tommy Dreamer, etc.. these guys add little to nothing. I'd like Hardy if he ever got clean. Matt Hardy can go die though.

RVD coming in was huge, him winning the title was emotional and a good idea as it popped the rating .3 the following week last year, but at this point your right RVD means next to nothing as he just is going through the motions.\

Hogan I didn't have a problem with, at the time, now I wish he would go away and go back to WWE. They'd use him better, why the heck make one of the most over performers in the industry a heel? What good comes from it, he should be a babyface mentoring up and comers, WWE would use him right.


Dreamer, I have no idea why everyone says he deserves so much respect, what was he a backstage helper for the 3rd biggest promotion for 4 years? Wow, you've changed everything Tommy, the whole industry would've died without you putting t-shirts in your trunk. Thanks you deserve a job for life.. No, Dreamer should've been off TV and out of the industry the second WWE closed the ECW re-make.
 

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Romo 2 Austin;3960094 said:
RVD coming in was huge, him winning the title was emotional and a good idea as it popped the rating .3 the following week last year, but at this point your right RVD means next to nothing as he just is going through the motions.\

Hogan I didn't have a problem with, at the time, now I wish he would go away and go back to WWE. They'd use him better, why the heck make one of the most over performers in the industry a heel? What good comes from it, he should be a babyface mentoring up and comers, WWE would use him right.


Dreamer, I have no idea why everyone says he deserves so much respect, what was he a backstage helper for the 3rd biggest promotion for 4 years? Wow, you've changed everything Tommy, the whole industry would've died without you putting t-shirts in your trunk. Thanks you deserve a job for life.. No, Dreamer should've been off TV and out of the industry the second WWE closed the ECW re-make.

RVD and Dreamer are shells of their former selves. RVD doesn't deserve to be in the main event picture at all. He gets winded after about 2 minutes. He doesn't have the same quickness or agility that made him as good as he was. He's done unless he actually works to get back in shape. I don't care for him right now.
 

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Romo 2 Austin;3960094 said:
RVD coming in was huge, him winning the title was emotional and a good idea as it popped the rating .3 the following week last year, but at this point your right RVD means next to nothing as he just is going through the motions.\

Hogan I didn't have a problem with, at the time, now I wish he would go away and go back to WWE. They'd use him better, why the heck make one of the most over performers in the industry a heel? What good comes from it, he should be a babyface mentoring up and comers, WWE would use him right.


Dreamer, I have no idea why everyone says he deserves so much respect, what was he a backstage helper for the 3rd biggest promotion for 4 years? Wow, you've changed everything Tommy, the whole industry would've died without you putting t-shirts in your trunk. Thanks you deserve a job for life.. No, Dreamer should've been off TV and out of the industry the second WWE closed the ECW re-make.

I'll tackle the WWE part in a minute but I can answer the bolded part pretty easily.

Due to the people that TNA has running their company being completely useless this is the way they operate. Hogan once got WCW super over, and winning the ratings every week, cause he was the lead heel of the best heel thing going. It was mega over and drew money.

So the TNA leaders now (Russo, Hogan, Bish) get together and think "Hey Hogan drew big as a lead heel in WCW. Lets do that again!"

It goes right along with their silly repackaging, once more, of the 4 Horseman idea, in a new form, or when they basically were doing the Millionares vs. The New Blood (Those were the WCW names), trying to package AJ as the new Flair, and some of the other stuff that they've done that just smacks of old, retread, stuff. Which is a Russo specialty, btw. Watch some old WCW stuff (i'm sure you have) but you'll see his finger prints all over that with his attempts to make clones of WWE stars out of WCW guys by giving them the same type of gimmick.

So that's why they've done that with Hogan. Without a doubt. The last part of that where you're saying he should mentor....lol. That's hilarious. Apparently you don't know much about Hogan but he's not into mentoring, or getting people over, cause Hogan is a leech whose all about Hogan and what he has to do to further his money. nothing else.


Which brings me to the WWE part. There is a big reason the WWE only brings him back for small rounds, and in small doses, because you know what you're getting with Hogan. You're getting a much older, no longer useful, performer who isn't going to be willing to put anyone else over and you're only going to want to use him for short term boosts of shows. Nothing else.

Vince knows this better than anyone else and that's why you don't see Hogan back in the WWE for really extended periods or in important roles. Because Vince, rather people like him or not, is a smart business man and the people who hired the people to run TNA, and the people running TNA, are not.

And lets not go overboard here with Dreamer. He shouldn't be pushed major anymore, I agree with you there, but he was much more to ECW than some guy working in the back and selling T-Shirts out of his truck. Tommy Dreamer was the embodiment of ECW. He, along with Sandman, Raven, Funk, Sabu, and Douglas were exactly what ECW was all about.

Tommy Dreamer was a top performer in ECW for it's entire run as a company. He was to the ECW fans what AJ Styles is to the TNA fans. He was their guy. Their top man. They loved him. He meant the world to the ECW faithful.

So lets not go overboard here and short change what he meant to ECW even though he shouldn't be anything big in TNA at this point. He was so much more than just some backstage guy for the 3rd largest promotion for 4 years.
 

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BraveHeartFan;3960132 said:
I'll tackle the WWE part in a minute but I can answer the bolded part pretty easily.

Due to the people that TNA has running their company being completely useless this is the way they operate. Hogan once got WCW super over, and winning the ratings every week, cause he was the lead heel of the best heel thing going. It was mega over and drew money.

So the TNA leaders now (Russo, Hogan, Bish) get together and think "Hey Hogan drew big as a lead heel in WCW. Lets do that again!"

It goes right along with their silly repackaging, once more, of the 4 Horseman idea, in a new form, or when they basically were doing the Millionares vs. The New Blood (Those were the WCW names), trying to package AJ as the new Flair, and some of the other stuff that they've done that just smacks of old, retread, stuff. Which is a Russo specialty, btw. Watch some old WCW stuff (i'm sure you have) but you'll see his finger prints all over that with his attempts to make clones of WWE stars out of WCW guys by giving them the same type of gimmick.

So that's why they've done that with Hogan. Without a doubt. The last part of that where you're saying he should mentor....lol. That's hilarious. Apparently you don't know much about Hogan but he's not into mentoring, or getting people over, cause Hogan is a leech whose all about Hogan and what he has to do to further his money. nothing else.


Which brings me to the WWE part. There is a big reason the WWE only brings him back for small rounds, and in small doses, because you know what you're getting with Hogan. You're getting a much older, no longer useful, performer who isn't going to be willing to put anyone else over and you're only going to want to use him for short term boosts of shows. Nothing else.

Vince knows this better than anyone else and that's why you don't see Hogan back in the WWE for really extended periods or in important roles. Because Vince, rather people like him or not, is a smart business man and the people who hired the people to run TNA, and the people running TNA, are not.

And lets not go overboard here with Dreamer. He shouldn't be pushed major anymore, I agree with you there, but he was much more to ECW than some guy working in the back and selling T-Shirts out of his truck. Tommy Dreamer was the embodiment of ECW. He, along with Sandman, Raven, Funk, Sabu, and Douglas were exactly what ECW was all about.

Tommy Dreamer was a top performer in ECW for it's entire run as a company. He was to the ECW fans what AJ Styles is to the TNA fans. He was their guy. Their top man. They loved him. He meant the world to the ECW faithful.

So lets not go overboard here and short change what he meant to ECW even though he shouldn't be anything big in TNA at this point. He was so much more than just some backstage guy for the 3rd largest promotion for 4 years.

I'd argue RVD was the "embodiment" of ECW, but that may also be because of WWE booking him as that during the ECW revival...


Hogan in WWE, your right.. Small doses.

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The single biggest pop of all time. Bigger than the rock returning this year, but that was also over a TV screen the first time so that probably made it smaller than it would've been..

Hogan in WWE, showing up 2 times a year (which is exactly how WWE would use him) would be hugely beneficial to the company, would be the same thing if TNA used him like that. but they wouldn.t
 

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RoyTheHammer;3960102 said:
RVD and Dreamer are shells of their former selves. RVD doesn't deserve to be in the main event picture at all. He gets winded after about 2 minutes. He doesn't have the same quickness or agility that made him as good as he was. He's done unless he actually works to get back in shape. I don't care for him right now.

Fully agree, but when he came in boy was it exciting. Bringing him in was the right move, but he hasn't lived up to the hype.

Dreamer, he came in out of shape and brings nothing to the table anymore. Was a bad move.
 

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Dear Heavens. Watching TNA right now for the first time in many years, and wow, really sad to see how low the former Karen Angle has gone. I guess that's all for real then? She actually left Kurt for Jeff? It's like the whole Macho Man, Miss Elizabeth, Hulk Hogan thing all over again to my untrained eye, at first glance. Really pathetic. (Karen, I mean)
 

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RoyTheHammer;3960102 said:
RVD and Dreamer are shells of their former selves. RVD doesn't deserve to be in the main event picture at all. He gets winded after about 2 minutes. He doesn't have the same quickness or agility that made him as good as he was. He's done unless he actually works to get back in shape. I don't care for him right now.

I saw RVD the other night and was really surprised. To say he has slipped is a big understatement. Very disappointing.
 
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