To all you Roy Williams bashers out there

[03EBZ06]

as far as im concerned, Crayton HAD his opportunities to make those plays at the begining of the year when he was the #2 guy, he didnt and he LOST his job to Miles!

Actually, RW lost his job to Miles, not Crayton.

BTW, RW isn't even #2 Receiver, he is actually behind Witten and Austin.

 

[bbgun]

The title implies that there are RW supporters out there. Who are they? Where have they been institutionalized?

 

[tomson75]

The title implies that there are RW supporters out there. Who are they? Where have they been institutionalized?

The list is short and undistinguished....like Bob's johnson.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Roy was the #1 for half the season, I said Crayton could do what Roy has done and posted the stats to prove it this debate should have been over at that point.

Crayton didn't shine as a back up in 07 he started all season and made about as much of a difference as Roy has this year

Roy IS the number one in the offense. He's the X receiver, which is the "main" receiver in the offense. It's what Owens played, and it's what Irvin played in our 90's offense.

Thats what Roy meant when he said he's the number one. But that doesnt mean that he deserves to have any passes come his way.

 

[Eskimo]

Why do people assume this? Crayton has proven that he is a good third receiver, but each time he has been in the No. 2 role, we have ended up replacing him.

I can understand not liking Williams' drops. I don't like them, either. But we seem to diminish the fact that the top two receivers have to go against and get open against the other team's top two corners. If one of them can get shut down by a corner, then that allows for more double teams.

I want more from Williams, and hope he will eventually provide it, but there's a reason he's out there that goes beyond just catching the ball.

Look at Crayton's 2007 numbers.

Then look at RW's 2009 numbers.

Pretty darn similar? RW has not represented a significant upgrade from Crayton. I'm not sure how to look up the stat but I bet he did it with less attempts.

 

[Four]

Roy Williams>Bob Sackocrap

nuff said

 

[MapleLeaf]

Roy IS the number one in the offense. He's the X receiver, which is the "main" receiver in the offense. It's what Owens played, and it's what Irvin played in our 90's offense.

Thats what Roy meant when he said he's the number one. But that doesnt mean that he deserves to have any passes come his way.

...but "X" is really a positional alignment in the offence based on where the boundary side of the field is.

A #1 receiver, in my mind, is the guy you throw to when the game is on the line and you are on the scramble.

You throw to who you trust will not only be open, but will fight to make a play on the ball even in traffic.

By Week 16 you can usually tell who is the real #1 by the # of balls caught.

 

[gimmesix]

Roy was the #1 for half the season, I said Crayton could do what Roy has done and posted the stats to prove it this debate should have been over at that point.

Crayton didn't shine as a back up in 07 he started all season and made about as much of a difference as Roy has this year

I don't think you understand that it's not all about stats.

The difference Williams makes isn't just in the number of catches he makes, but in the attention that he draws from the defense. If he keeps teams from constantly being able to double Austin or Witten, then that's an important aspect of the game that Crayton wasn't able to provide when Owens was here.

Williams is enough of a threat that teams have to pay attention to him. If not, he'll have a statistical game like the one he had in Green Bay ... and I don't think other teams are going to count on him fumbling it away. He gets much more respect from opposing defenses than he gets here.

 

[MapleLeaf]

I don't think you understand that it's not all about stats.

The difference Williams makes isn't just in the number of catches he makes, but in the attention that he draws from the defense. If he keeps teams from constantly being able to double Austin or Witten, then that's an important aspect of the game that Crayton wasn't able to provide when Owens was here.

Williams is enough of a threat that teams have to pay attention to him. If not, he'll have a statistical game like the one he had in Green Bay ... and I don't think other teams are going to count on him fumbling it away. He gets much more respect from opposing defenses than he gets here.

...game tape, but it would be interesting to see exactly how to read what the DC is doing with RW11.

In my opinion the coverages would tell me what the DC really think of him. Obviously no team is going to let him run uncovered, but there are certain hints I have seen that shows me that the teams don't consider him the threat that they do with Austin and Witten.

This past game when RW lined up on the wide side of the field I couldn't see the safety rolling over or at least opening up to his side of the field. In fact, it seem to me that they were holding the seam to determine if Witten was releasing first and more often than not bracketing Austin high and low.

I'm not certain that your theory for how Blanche approached Williams is true.

 

[gimmesix]

Look at Crayton's 2007 numbers.

Then look at RW's 2009 numbers.

Pretty darn similar? RW has not represented a significant upgrade from Crayton. I'm not sure how to look up the stat but I bet he did it with less attempts.

Again, statistics do not tell the whole story.

Do I want better stats from Williams? Certainly. And I think he's capable of providing them.

But just looking at Crayton's numbers compared to Williams' doesn't tell us about their impact on the offense. Austin and Witten's big games are somewhat due to teams not being able to double them and go man-to-man against Williams on every play. If they could cover Williams one-on-one all the time, they could shade a safety to limit Austin or double Witten.

There is a team aspect to Williams' game that people seem to discount by saying we could just plug in this player or that player and get the same statistics.

 

[gimmesix]

...game tape, but it would be interesting to see exactly how to read what the DC is doing with RW11.

In my opinion the coverages would tell me what the DC really think of him. Obviously no team is going to let him run uncovered, but there are certain hints I have seen that shows me that the teams don't consider him the threat that they do with Austin and Witten.

This past game when RW lined up on the wide side of the field I couldn't see the safety rolling over or at least opening up to his side of the field. In fact, it seem to me that they were holding the seam to determine if Witten was releasing first and more often than not bracketing Austin high and low.

I'm not certain that your theory for how Blanche approached Williams is true.

They showed several plays where Washington was spread out two-deep with their safeties. This allowed us to make plays underneath, or run successful draws.

Witten got several one-on-one opportunities in the game, including on the 69-yarder when he was matched up with Laron Landry. There was a couple of other plays where he ate up the linebacker covering him one-on-one.

 

[MapleLeaf]

Again, statistics do not tell the whole story.

Do I want better stats from Williams? Certainly. And I think he's capable of providing them.

But just looking at Crayton's numbers compared to Williams' doesn't tell us about their impact on the offense. Austin and Witten's big games are somewhat due to teams not being able to double them and go man-to-man against Williams on every play. If they could cover Williams one-on-one all the time, they could shade a safety to limit Austin or double Witten.

There is a team aspect to Williams' game that people seem to discount by saying we could just plug in this player or that player and get the same statistics.

...but rather coverages.

I'm willing to bet what we see as coverages in playoff game will tell you all you need to know about what the other DC thinks of Roy Williams.

 

[Ren]

I don't think you understand that it's not all about stats.

The difference Williams makes isn't just in the number of catches he makes, but in the attention that he draws from the defense. If he keeps teams from constantly being able to double Austin or Witten, then that's an important aspect of the game that Crayton wasn't able to provide when Owens was here.

Williams is enough of a threat that teams have to pay attention to him. If not, he'll have a statistical game like the one he had in Green Bay ... and I don't think other teams are going to count on him fumbling it away. He gets much more respect from opposing defenses than he gets here.

I think it more of a case of Austin keeping teams from being able to double Roy and Witten right now which is pretty much what TO did for Crayton and Witten. If Roy was half the WR he claims to be he should be going crazy on defenses with all the attention Austin and Witten get but it's not happening

 

[Sickwitit]

Again, statistics do not tell the whole story.

Do I want better stats from Williams? Certainly. And I think he's capable of providing them.

But just looking at Crayton's numbers compared to Williams' doesn't tell us about their impact on the offense. Austin and Witten's big games are somewhat due to teams not being able to double them and go man-to-man against Williams on every play. If they could cover Williams one-on-one all the time, they could shade a safety to limit Austin or double Witten.

There is a team aspect to Williams' game that people seem to discount by saying we could just plug in this player or that player and get the same statistics.

BINGO!!

 

[Bleu Star]

Hos you love you some Roy Williams.

:laugh2: Yes he does.

 

[NextGenBoys]

...but "X" is really a positional alignment in the offence based on where the boundary side of the field is.

A #1 receiver, in my mind, is the guy you throw to when the game is on the line and you are on the scramble.

You throw to who you trust will not only be open, but will fight to make a play on the ball even in traffic.

By Week 16 you can usually tell who is the real #1 by the # of balls caught.

I agree completely. I'm just saying thats why Roy said it.

I dont really know why I'm defending him

 

[Preacha Mane]

Again, statistics do not tell the whole story.

Do I want better stats from Williams? Certainly. And I think he's capable of providing them.

But just looking at Crayton's numbers compared to Williams' doesn't tell us about their impact on the offense. Austin and Witten's big games are somewhat due to teams not being able to double them and go man-to-man against Williams on every play. If they could cover Williams one-on-one all the time, they could shade a safety to limit Austin or double Witten.

There is a team aspect to Williams' game that people seem to discount by saying we could just plug in this player or that player and get the same statistics.

Your exactly right!! but the thing is a lot of people dont see the big picture! they would rather focus on statistical results and the what have you dont for me lately approach. Roys doing more for this team then ppl are wanting to give him credit for. and as i said before things are only going to get better with romo and roy together for another offseason!

 

[Hoofbite]

I don't think you understand that it's not all about stats.

The difference Williams makes isn't just in the number of catches he makes, but in the attention that he draws from the defense. If he keeps teams from constantly being able to double Austin or Witten, then that's an important aspect of the game that Crayton wasn't able to provide when Owens was here.

Williams is enough of a threat that teams have to pay attention to him. If not, he'll have a statistical game like the one he had in Green Bay ... and I don't think other teams are going to count on him fumbling it away. He gets much more respect from opposing defenses than he gets here.

Green Bay? A good chunk of that production, TD included, came in garbage time.

I have no doubt that Roy gets respect from defenses........probably gets as much as every other average receiver in the league because that's what he is.

 

[gimmesix]

I think it more of a case of Austin keeping teams from being able to double Roy and Witten right now which is pretty much what TO did for Crayton and Witten. If Roy was half the WR he claims to be he should be going crazy on defenses with all the attention Austin and Witten get but it's not happening

That's a backward way of looking at it. Owens didn't keep teams from doubling Crayton. Teams found out they didn't need to double Crayton, which allowed them to bracket Owens and Witten.

From what I can tell, that isn't happening with Austin and Witten this year. Teams are doubling them at times, but they aren't doing it exclusively.

 

[RainMan]

...game tape, but it would be interesting to see exactly how to read what the DC is doing with RW11.

In my opinion the coverages would tell me what the DC really think of him. Obviously no team is going to let him run uncovered, but there are certain hints I have seen that shows me that the teams don't consider him the threat that they do with Austin and Witten.

This past game when RW lined up on the wide side of the field I couldn't see the safety rolling over or at least opening up to his side of the field. In fact, it seem to me that they were holding the seam to determine if Witten was releasing first and more often than not bracketing Austin high and low.

I'm not certain that your theory for how Blanche approached Williams is true.

Good points. If Roy is dictating how defenses do things, he certainly adds an element to the offense Crayton simply does not. If Roy isn't doing that, his production is hard to defend.

With that said, I'm a buy-low kind of guy. Things couldn't get much worse for Roy than the way he's currently playing. I like his chances of eventually turning things around. I think he's too good (OK not tooo good, but good enough) and has too good of players around him to be a dud forever.