To all you Roy Williams bashers out there

[Ren]

Your exactly right!! but the thing is a lot of people dont see the big picture! they would rather focus on statistical results and the what have you dont for me lately approach. Roys doing more for this team then ppl are wanting to give him credit for. and as i said before things are only going to get better with romo and roy together for another offseason!

If the object of football is to lose games or to talk all week then back it up with a 1 catch performance then that would be true, we seem to be winning despite of Williams rather the thanks to him.
It's not what have you done for me lately it's what have you done for me since becoming a Cowboy.

Roy already had a full offseason with Romo he's not a rookie so that excuse is all used up now

 

[gimmesix]

Green Bay? A good chunk of that production, TD included, came in garbage time.

I have no doubt that Roy gets respect from defenses........probably gets as much as every other average receiver in the league because that's what he is.

Maybe average starting receiver. If Crayton was starting and Williams wasn't here, I don't doubt that Crayton's production could be similar to Roy's. What would be down are Austin and Witten's numbers.

The respect Williams gets is one reason those guys are succeeding. Rewind game tape and you will see that there is a safety or linebacker shading to Williams' side on a lot of plays.

There's no doubt we need better play from Williams, but people go to ridiculous extremes to try to disrespect a player. (See the Marion Barber/Troy Hambrick thread.)

It's almost like some people don't understand this a team sport where you are only as good as the sum of your parts. ... Now, I'm not saying there aren't other parts we could have that are better than Williams, but Crayton has proven that he's not and we don't know enough about Ogletree to say that he is.

 

[RainMan]

If the object of football is to lose games or to talk all week then back it up with a 1 catch performance then that would be true, we seem to be winning despite of Williams rather the thanks to him.
It's not what have you done for me lately it's what have you done for me since becoming a Cowboy.

Roy already had a full offseason with Romo he's not a rookie so that excuse is all used up now

Frankly, I think Roy has a case of Nick Folk-itis here. His confidence is shot and it shows play after play after play ... after play.

He'll never be an elite receiver. I'm convinced of that much. But I think if his head allows it, he can contribute faaaar more than he currently is and be a heck of a No. 2 wideout.

 

[Idgit]

Meh. Does it really matter as long as our passing game is working? RW has some touchdowns, and he seems to be happy with winning. He's not a problem, and he'll likely get better with Romo over time. As long as we stay clear of him during crunch time until he proves he can handle it for us, I don't have a particular problem with the man making too much money for his production.

 

[RainMan]

Maybe average starting receiver. If Crayton was starting and Williams wasn't here, I don't doubt that Crayton's production could be similar to Roy's. What would be down are Austin and Witten's numbers.

The respect Williams gets is one reason those guys are succeeding. Rewind game tape and you will see that there is a safety or linebacker shading to Williams' side on a lot of plays.

There's no doubt we need better play from Williams, but people go to ridiculous extremes to try to disrespect a player. (See the Marion Barber/Troy Hambrick thread.)

It's almost like some people don't understand this a team sport where you are only as good as the sum of your parts. ... Now, I'm not saying there aren't other parts we could have that are better than Williams, but Crayton has proven that he's not and we don't know enough about Ogletree to say that he is.

I can agree with this. Crayton and Williams might be statistically alike, but there's no doubt who is the more uncoverable player. I like Crayton a lot -- I think you can't have enough guys like him as backups. But he's a limited starter who doesn't win many one-on-one matchups from what I've seen. Now, neither has Roy here, but it's more of his own undoing than anything else. His talent helps position himself to get open more than Crayton could ever do IMO.

 

[gimmesix]

Frankly, I think Roy has a case of Nick Folk-itis here. His confidence is shot and it shows play after play after play ... after play.

He'll never be an elite receiver. I'm convinced of that much. But I think if his head allows it, he can contribute faaaar more than he currently is and be a heck of a No. 2 wideout.

I do think he's trying too hard to prove the naysayers wrong. I think some of his drops have definitely been a result of that. He's pressing while he needs to just relax and play his game, like he did at his peak in Detroit.

 

[Ren]

Frankly, I think Roy has a case of Nick Folk-itis here. His confidence is shot and it shows play after play after play ... after play.

He'll never be an elite receiver. I'm convinced of that much. But I think if his head allows it, he can contribute faaaar more than he currently is and be a heck of a No. 2 wideout.

I doubt he'll ever be more then a Keyshawn, but after this season i'd be happy with that. Miles Austin has made that *** awful trade sting a lot less, we got the production we wanted just not from the player we expected it from

 

[gimmesix]

I can agree with this. Crayton and Williams might be statistically alike, but there's no doubt who is the more uncoverable player. I like Crayton a lot -- I think you can't have enough guys like him as backups. But he's a limited starter who doesn't win many one-on-one matchups from what I've seen. Now, neither has Roy here, but it's more of his own undoing than anything else. His talent helps position himself to get open more than Crayton could ever do IMO.

The only part I disagree with is in bold. When Williams has been covered one-on-one, he has won a lot of those matchups (whether he's caught the ball or not). He's been open on more than just the passes thrown to him, especially earlier in the season when he and Romo weren't on the same page.

I'm pleased with their progress in that area. Now, Williams just has to do a better job of catching the passes thrown to him.

 

[MapleLeaf]

They showed several plays where Washington was spread out two-deep with their safeties. This allowed us to make plays underneath.

Witten got several one-on-one opportunities in the game, including on the 69-yarder when he was matched up with Laron Landry.

...cover two look to where the safety makes his first turn as the play develops. I didn't see alot of turns or shade towards Williams.

Blanche isn't stupid. He knew who he had to cover. Austin targeted (10) times and Witten targeted (7) times. Against N.O. Austin targeted (13) times, Witten (8) and Williams (3).

RW11 ended up with (1) catch on (4) balls. Crayton, Hurd and Ogletree ended up with a combined higher number of targets than Roy.

The play that Landry was caught too close to the LOS had nothing to do with Roy and more to do with Landry's own error.

Also if you look carefully at the play there was double coverage on Austin by Doughty and Smoot on RW's slotside. Austin turned his route to the field side and Witten crossed over.

The only chance for a tackle was at the Commanders 40 when the corner Hall (???) made a lunge at Witten and then shortly after Landry made a last ditch attempt.

 

[RainMan]

The only part I disagree with is in bold. When Williams has been covered one-on-one, he has won a lot of those matchups (whether he's caught the ball or not). He's been open on more than just the passes thrown to him, especially earlier in the season when he and Romo weren't on the same page.

I'm pleased with their progress in that area. Now, Williams just has to do a better job of catching the passes thrown to him.

Yeah, sorry, I probably should have clarified what I meant better. My reference to his undoing referred solely to the end result of a play -- such as his many drops -- as opposed to whether he beat coverage.

Earlier in the year, the opposite might have been true. It seemed like he didn't know where to be, and that was preventing him from getting open. Now, he's getting open, he just needs to finish.

Like I said earlier, I like buying low when dealing with talented players. And I think Roy is a talented player -- not as good as we paid him, but good nonetheless -- who simply needs to string some good things together to get back on track. I also like his no-complaining approach.

 

[Preacha Mane]

If the object of football is to lose games or to talk all week then back it up with a 1 catch performance then that would be true, we seem to be winning despite of Williams rather the thanks to him.
It's not what have you done for me lately it's what have you done for me since becoming a Cowboy.

Roy already had a full offseason with Romo he's not a rookie so that excuse is all used up now

your soooo right roy has cost us soooooo many losses this year, its a wonder we are in the playoffs and have a chance to win the East! Get outta here with that GARBAGE! Roy had scored TDs and as other have mentioned he keeps teams from double teaming austin and witten which opens up things for them.

and as far as the trash talk goes, roy simply said they arent as good as everyone is sayin and they can be beaten. he didnt say im going to go out and put up 150 and score 3 tds, he simply said they were a beatable team.

 

[MapleLeaf]

The only part I disagree with is in bold. When Williams has been covered one-on-one, he has won a lot of those matchups (whether he's caught the ball or not). He's been open on more than just the passes thrown to him, especially earlier in the season when he and Romo weren't on the same page.

I'm pleased with their progress in that area. Now, Williams just has to do a better job of catching the passes thrown to him.

...Williams was covered one on one for the majority of the evening with no safety on top.

It's up to you to decide if he won the majority of those match ups yesterday.

 

[gimmesix]

Blanche isn't stupid. He knew who he had to cover. Austin targeted (10) times and Witten targeted (7) times. Against N.O. Austin targeted (13) times, Witten (8) and Williams (3).

RW11 ended up with (1) catch on (4) balls. Crayton, Hurd and Ogletree ended up with a combined higher number of targets than Roy.

The number of catches and targets isn't necessarily reflective of the coverage (and actually, the more you're targeted usually means the more single coverage you're drawing). Teams are not consistently going one-on-one with Williams, which would allow them to consistently double Austin and Witten. You just don't see that.

That doesn't mean they are not doubling Austin or doubling Witten at times, but they are mixing things up more than they did with Crayton as the starter last season. Williams' presence is having an impact on the coverage.

Now, Williams does need to do a better job of catching the ball or teams will be more willing to risk single coverage against him. But right now, I just don't see an inordinate amount of doubling on Witten and Austin.

 

[gimmesix]

...Williams was covered one on one for the majority of the evening with no safety on top.

It's up to you to decide if he won the majority of those match ups yesterday.

I'll have to go back and look, but I don't believe he was in one-on-one coverage that much. If Washington didn't have a safety over the top, it had a linebacker underneath, which also helps open things up.

 

[UnoDallas]

Rw's sucks give it up an you know it - OP

more Ogletree please

 

[Sickwitit]

Rw's sucks give it up an you know it - OP

more Ogletree please

says the guy that wants to cut scan-man,yet has him in his sig. pfffffffffff......

 

[Ren]

your soooo right roy has cost us soooooo many losses this year, its a wonder we are in the playoffs and have a chance to win the East! Get outta here with that GARBAGE! Roy had scored TDs and as other have mentioned he keeps teams from double teaming austin and witten which opens up things for them.

and as far as the trash talk goes, roy simply said they arent as good as everyone is sayin and they can be beaten. he didnt say im going to go out and put up 150 and score 3 tds, he simply said they were a beatable team.

you're just latching on to other peoples arguments now because your own failed. You tried to cherry pick a stat to make him look better then he is, then come back with stats don't matter line :laugh2:

If we didn't have Roy we'd still be in the playoffs if we didn't have Austin i doubt we'd even have 6 wins at this point. Every time Roy drops a 3rd down pass the defense has to go out there and make up for his mistake, they've done that a lot this year... 7TDs in garbage time and blow outs hardly comes close to making up for that

it would be easy to make a list of 30 WRs better then Roy and with the kind of money he's getting payed and what we gave up to get him that list should be no longer then 5

 

[casmith07]

Roy Williams isn't horrible.

Many people here seem to equate contracts with on-field performance, which is ridiculous.

All of that being said, has RW had some outright brutal drops? Yes.

Have any of those drops cost us a game? No.

Is he the "#1 receiver?" No. But that's okay, because we have Miles Austin.

As long as the Cowboys continue to win, I don't care what RW does, unless the drops become a deciding factor in us losing games.

 

[Hoofbite]

says the guy that wants to cut scan-man,yet has him in his sig. pfffffffffff......

Being wrong/stupid/ridiculous in one area doesn't mean you are wrong/stupid/ridiculous in all areas.

Regarding Roy Williams, he's not too far off. Roy has sucked this year. Being worthless outside of the redzone is not what he was traded for.

 

[Hoofbite]

Roy Williams isn't horrible.

Many people here seem to equate contracts with on-field performance, which is ridiculous.

All of that being said, has RW had some outright brutal drops? Yes.

Have any of those drops cost us a game? No.

Is he the "#1 receiver?" No. But that's okay, because we have Miles Austin.

As long as the Cowboys continue to win, I don't care what RW does, unless the drops become a deciding factor in us losing games.

I think more are pissed at what Dallas gave up draft-wise. When you sacrifice multiple players for a single guy, that guy had better produce.