To those claiming poor game management at the end of the game

[BlueNSilver88]

My question would be more of a "who do you trust more" scenario. The defense or the FG unit. There was very little doubt in my mind that the game would be tied after we left them with a minute and a half and 2 timeouts in their pocket. I just didn't expect us to have such a great KO return and so much time on our end.

The other side of the bad decisions IMO is that it's 2nd and 2 at the 36 yd line (Well inside of Bailey's comfort zone) you have a timeout left, and you know Washington will be bringing the house. Why do you even attempt to throw the ball once, let alone twice! You're not going to score a TD on quick outs to Witten and those 2 extra yards are meaningless as far as the FG is concerned (52yd vs 50yd). Why even leave the 9 seconds on the clock with those two plays? Run a quick hitting run play, let the clock run down and kick the FG with no time left.

Garrett has shown us that we can not trust him to make the most basic time clock management

 

[Nightman]

My playcalling in that situation would have been: knee, knee, knee, walk off FG

You would have to Kickoff with 40 secs left in that scenario and you would be up by 3, if you made the FG.

WAS took 30 secs to score a TD.

Sorry but you just lost the game.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My playcalling in that situation would have been: knee, knee, knee, walk off FG

And you would have been down 4 after Jackson scored his TD in 2 plays. The Commanders had two timeouts and DMC had gone oob with 1:26 remaining.

knee timeout
knee timeout
knee 45 second run off
FG with ~35 secs left

We would have needed a TD and lose with your plan.

 

[conner01]

My question would be more of a "who do you trust more" scenario. The defense or the FG unit. There was very little doubt in my mind that the game would be tied after we left them with a minute and a half and 2 timeouts in their pocket. I just didn't expect us to have such a great KO return and so much time on our end.

The other side of the bad decisions IMO is that it's 2nd and 2 at the 36 yd line (Well inside of Bailey's comfort zone) you have a timeout left, and you know Washington will be bringing the house. Why do you even attempt to throw the ball once, let alone twice! You're not going to score a TD on quick outs to Witten and those 2 extra yards are meaningless as far as the FG is concerned (52yd vs 50yd). Why even leave the 9 seconds on the clock with those two plays? Run a quick hitting run play, let the clock run down and kick the FG with no time left.

You never play for a 50 plus yard FG, even with the best kicker in football

 

[dallasdave]

How is the RB running out of bounds poor game managementioned (by the coach)?

You think he specifically told him to run out of bounds?

What was Garrett supposed to do on the next play? Tell him to not score, specifically? How did that work out for the Giants in week 1?

I understand the best case scenario would be for McFadden to stay in bounds and for them to score a td on third down, but this team isn't good enough to try and control a situation like that. You call the dang run, hope for forward progress, but no td (till third down) but you DO NOT tell the dang RB not to score.

We were up by TD with about a minute left and they tied the game. Blame the freaking defense for rolling over for them, not the offense cuz it had the audacity to score a TD "too soon".

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

You would have to Kickoff with 40 secs left in that scenario and you would be up by 3, if you made the FG.

WAS took 30 secs to score a TD.

Sorry but you just lost the game.

Less than than. 1:20 after the kneeldown and timeouts. Then kneel again, 1:17 maybe, knock 40 off, FG takes 4 seconds, 33 seconds maybe. KO, either at 20 with 33 to go or probably around there with 27. They have no timeouts. Running out the clock was the right play.

 

[dallasdave]

Yep. Not smart of McFadden to go OB on his first run, but given that he did, you run again and score if you can, force them to use a TO if you can't.

Yeah score every time if possible !!!!

 

[fortdick]

Why can't every game be perfect and all the players all pros?

 

[Beast_from_East]

My playcalling in that situation would have been: knee, knee, knee, walk off FG

That is pretty much what anybody over the age of 12 would have done.

I think that is why Jerry was so pissed...........and as far as it getting blocked, it would have been an old school extra point which was 99.9% good...........that is why they moved the extra point back this year.

 

[Nightman]

That is pretty much what anybody over the age of 12 would have done.

I think that is why Jerry was so pissed...........and as far as it getting blocked, it would have been an old school extra point which was 99.9% good...........that is why they moved the extra point back this year.

and you would have lost

that is why 12 year olds play Maden

 

[darthseinfeld]

How is the RB running out of bounds poor game managementioned (by the coach)?

You think he specifically told him to run out of bounds?

What was Garrett supposed to do on the next play? Tell him to not score, specifically? How did that work out for the Giants in week 1?

I understand the best case scenario would be for McFadden to stay in bounds and for them to score a td on third down, but this team isn't good enough to try and control a situation like that. You call the dang run, hope for forward progress, but no td (till third down) but you DO NOT tell the dang RB not to score.

We were up by TD with about a minute left and they tied the game. Blame the freaking defense for rolling over for them, not the offense cuz it had the audacity to score a TD "too soon".

Because everthing is Garretts fault no matter how illogical

 

[Beast_from_East]

and you would have lost

that is why 12 year olds play Maden

The percentages say otherwise.........The Skins would have got the ball back with 20 seconds or so and no timeouts. Unless you are the Packers, pretty much no chance.

Besides, with all due respect, the opinion of the guy who owns the team is a hell of a lot more meaningful than what any fan's opinion is, both yours and mine.

If Jerry says it was botched coaching..........which he has........then it is botched coaching as long as he signs the checks.

 

[Nightman]

The percentages say otherwise.........The Skins would have got the ball back with 20 seconds or so and no timeouts. Unless you are the Packers, pretty much no chance.

Besides, with all due respect, the opinion of the guy who owns the team is a hell of a lot more meaningful than what any fan's opinion is, both yours and mine.

If Jerry says it was botched coaching..........which he has........then it is botched coaching as long as he signs the checks.

that is some circular logic if I ever saw it....JJones is a lot of things....but a tactician isn't one of them

 

[Beast_from_East]

that is some circular logic if I ever saw it....JJones is a lot of things....but a tactician isn't one of them

The man with the gold makes the rules...........as long as he is the guy doing the hiring and firing, means jack what everybody else says.

So if Jerry says it is botched coaching, then if I am a coach that wants to keep my job, I dam well better change whatever my boss didn't like.

Jerry may not ever get rid of Garrett, but he has shown that he will change assistant coaches and coordinators more often than he changes underwear. So if Jerry says it is botched coaching, I would not make any big purchases if I was a coach not named Garrett.

 

[Nightman]

The man with the gold makes the rules...........as long as he is the guy doing the hiring and firing, means jack what everybody else says.

So if Jerry says it is botched coaching, then if I am a coach that wants to keep my job, I dam well better change whatever my boss didn't like.

Jerry may not ever get rid of Garrett, but he has shown that he will change assistant coaches and coordinators more often than he changes underwear. So if Jerry says it is botched coaching, I would not make any big purchases if I was a coach not named Garrett.

Either die on your feet or live on your knees.

 

[Dodger12]

What was Garrett supposed to do on the next play? Tell him to not score, specifically? How did that work out for the Giants in week 1?

Pointing to the Giants really does nothing to prove your point. Matter of fact, it hurts your argument. The Giants tried to score a TD by passing which saved Dallas by giving them the ball with just under 1:40. If they'd have run the ball and kept the clock moving after Dallas burned their TO's, Dallas would have had to score a TD with under a minute left and no TO's. That was the worse case scenario for the Giants. If they would have scored a TD by running the ball from the 1 yard line, then they would have been up by 10 points and pretty much assured the win.

 

[Nightman]

Pointing to the Giants really does nothing to prove your point. Matter of fact, it hurts your argument. The Giants tried to score a TD by passing which saved Dallas by giving them the ball with just under 1:40. If they'd have run the ball and kept the clock moving after Dallas burned their TO's, Dallas would have had to score a TD with under a minute left and no TO's. That was the worse case scenario for the Giants. If they would have scored a TD by running the ball from the 1 yard line, then they would have been up by 10 points and pretty much assured the win.

The NY RB said he was told not to score on 1st and 2nd down. That led to confusion on 3rd down.

Eli wanted a TD but when it wasn't there he should have taken the sack and ran off 40 secs.

But doing things you aren't trained to do leads to mistakes.

They probably would have been better off going for it 4th down. If they didn't get the TD DAL would have to start from the 1. Most coaches play to the deficit and DAL would try to get a FG and not go all out for the winning TD.

Being down 6 meant they had to go for the TD.

 

[Dodger12]

The NY RB said he was told not to score on 1st and 2nd down. That led to confusion on 3rd down.

Eli wanted a TD but when it wasn't there he should have taken the sack and ran off 40 secs.

But doing things you aren't trained to do leads to mistakes.

They probably would have been better off going for it 4th down. If they didn't get the TD DAL would have to start from the 1. Most coaches play to the deficit and DAL would try to get a FG and not go all out for the winning TD.

Being down 6 meant they had to go for the TD.

Yep. That was horrendous on the Giant's part and they handed Dallas a huge gift. I couldn't believe what I saw. I listened to NY radio that week and they were crucifying Eli and Coughlin. If Eli had taken the SAC, we would have gotten the ball back with under one minute and no TO's to go the length of the field. We were very fortunate that game.