Tolbert = Cobb/Beasley

[TheMarathonContinues]

I said repeatedly he’s a complimentary receiver a 3 . First downs and TD’s keeps Tom Brady in the booth happy. Bet he could find Tolbert if he had him in that ever changing cast of receivers in NE they won with .

The thing about Patriots though is they went and got receivers and tight ends who were quick, ran precise routes and got separation. Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, Danny Amendola, Deion Branch…Patriots would’ve never looked his way.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The issue is Tolbert has been basically handed #1 WR snaps and has only put up #3 WR numbers. He has ran 508 routes this season which is 15th most in the league. Hes a guy that can certainly play in this league, but his success this year is more due to volume than actual talent. The league was bad about this 15+ years ago when everyone would celebrate 1000 yard rushers even if it took them 300 carries to get there. Tolbert still needs to take his game to another level before the Cowboys really consider him a viable #2 or even #3 option going into 2025 if they are serious about making a run.

This is a small complaint but for me he doesn’t go up and get footballs. It’s weird he’s not a possession receiver but he’s closer to one than he is anything else. I don’t know his identity and that’s rare. We knew what Gallup was, Amari, Lamb, Beasley…even Brice Butler…I guess he’s more like Cedric Wilson but he even had a defined role.

That might be the issue with our whole receiver group…none of them have carved out a role or identity.

 

[RonWashington]

The thing about Patriots though is they went and got receivers and tight ends who were quick, ran precise routes and got separation. Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, Danny Amendola, Deion Branch…Patriots would’ve never looked his way.

Always a place for a guy who’s open in the end zone or first downs . This with Prescott & Rush as a delivery system let alone Brady or Rodgers with Cobb

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Always a place for a guy who’s open in the end zone or first downs . This with Prescott & Rush as a delivery system let alone Brady or Rodgers with Cobb

Patriots could’ve had any receiver they wanted and chose nobody like Tolbert. This was on purpose. I forgot Brandon Cooks was there….they never chose guys like Tolbert.

 

[MapleLeaf]

I’m focusing on chains stretching first downs and finding the end zone you focus on the shifty moves of former # 11 .

I hear you. I have always felt that since Dak's first year in the league he and this team has been missing the wide receiver who can win with instant separation within the first three steps.

Beasley was a huge asset to a young Dak Prescott because he could get open more often than not. I believe he did mention in a quote that Cole was always open for him.

Between Zeke running the ball hard and Cole getting open so he could get rid of the ball in 1.5 seconds or less they kept the chains moving and pressured the defence.

You still need a threat over the top to stretch defences, but it is great to have a safety valve like Beasley with short passes that amount to little more than a long handoff.

 

[MapleLeaf]

The thing about Patriots though is they went and got receivers and tight ends who were quick, ran precise routes and got separation. Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, Danny Amendola, Deion Branch…Patriots would’ve never looked his way.

I agree, Tolbert is not showing like these Patriots wide receivers of the past. The last person we had who was remotely similar to the first three Patriot receivers you listed was Beasley.

If you have QBs who are immobile or don't have great footspeed to extend plays, then you better have receivers who can tilt the field by getting open fast and gaining down and distance through separation and YAC.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I hear you. I have always felt that since Dak's first year in the league he and this team has been missing the wide receiver who can win with instant separation within the first three steps.

Beasley was a huge asset to a young Dak Prescott because he could get open more often than not. I believe he did mention in a quote that Cole was always open for him.

Between Zeke running the ball hard and Cole getting open so he could get rid of the ball in 1.5 seconds or less they kept the chains moving and pressured the defence.

You still need a threat over the top to stretch defences, but it is great to have a safety valve like Beasley with short passes that amount to little more than a long handoff.

Yeah in hindsight not she why we went away from guys like Beasley. Such an asset for an offense. I guess Amari fits that same mold.

 

[RonWashington]

Patriots could’ve had any receiver they wanted and chose nobody like Tolbert. This was on purpose. I forgot Brandon Cooks was there….they never chose guys like Tolbert.

Brady was gone from NE when Dallas drafted Tolbert . I guess BB could have drafted Tolbert so Mac Jones could misfire in his direction

 

[charron]

Tolbert wished he could be as useful as Beasley. Tolbert is a jag and it has taken him 3 years to elevate to jag status.

 

[Mannix]

I've been saying for almost two (2) years that our WR corp is trash....bottom 5 in the NFL. Watch these idiots bring back Cooks next year, after he puts in a late last minute string of catches in the final two (2) meaningless games....would be par for the course.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Brady was gone from NE when Dallas drafted Tolbert . I guess BB could have drafted Tolbert so Mac Jones could misfire in his direction

I think he is saying the NE targeted receivers with completely different skill sets than what Tolbert offers. It was more guys who ran full route trees and thrived on those side to side routes and double moves that got them running wide open. Tolbert is a completely different style of player who really runs north/south and while he adds value and gets open often on those comeback routes, its tougher to pull off on those 3rd and 5 situations when defenses expect it. His limitations are what keep him from really being a go to guy.

 

[RonWashington]

Tolbert wished he could be as useful as Beasley. Tolbert is a jag and it has taken him 3 years to elevate to jag status.

Right . Let’s get rid of him start looking all over .

Mingo is a step in the wrong direction . It amazes me when guys start helping Dallas the board wants to saw the limb off the tree .

 

[charron]

Right . Let’s get rid of him start looking all over .

Mingo is a step in the wrong direction . It amazes me when guys start helping Dallas the board wants to saw the limb off the tree .

We agree on Mingo. Tolbert well he's a very slow progression but I'm not saying dump him...he has what 1 year left? I'd even offer him a very minimal salary to return, very minimal with no guarantees. They need to look for better, see if someone else can't develop.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Brady was gone from NE when Dallas drafted Tolbert . I guess BB could have drafted Tolbert so Mac Jones could misfire in his direction

I’m saying they never drafted anyone like him. Not only is he a JAG but he doesn’t run great routes. Bill surrounded Tom with a certain player. Trust me man Cowboys can do better than Tolbert. They traded for Mingo for a reason.

Maybe next year is the year Tolbert is more consistent. But the player we see today is replaceable.

 

[Buzzbait]

I think Tolbert is a little underappreciated. He's made some nice catches and scored 6 TDs.
Not every WR is a CeeDee Lamb. If they were, we could cut CD's salary.

 

[doomsday9084]

Fun stat: Cole Beasley had 5 seasons of 65 or more receptions. Jalen Tolbert has 66 career receptions.

Jokes aside, I'm not seeing it. Tolbert plays like an outside receiver and isn't particularly great at it. His game is nothing like Beasley or Cobb.

 

[Chasing6]

Schoonmacher is 6’6” can be effective downfield TE instead it’s dump offs to 87 . Tolbert for whatever reason year one and half of year two hardly targeted

Ferguson is 6'5.

 

[RonWashington]

Ferguson is 6'5.

I see dump offs to 87 not necessarily designed pass plays downfield . Why ? Schoon was on a 2 or 3 game run where he was actually a threat past the sticks . Again are the TE’s being used to full capacity ?

 

[Typhus]

42 catches 6 TD’s this year he’s never going to be the outside burner wasn’t drafted for that never was . He’s the outlet that can stretch the chains has become more and more reliable and has a knack for finding the end zone for his QB . Every club needs this type of receiver , the Randall Cobb / Cole Beasley type .

He’s only in yr 3 when his rookie yr went by with Dak hardly finding him .

Look forward for more development next yr the last yr of his rookie contract . Very nice TD grab back of the end zone feet in bounds tonight .

More like a Terrance Williams with better scooter skills.

 

[RonWashington]

I’m saying they never drafted anyone like him. Not only is he a JAG but he doesn’t run great routes. Bill surrounded Tom with a certain player. Trust me man Cowboys can do better than Tolbert. They traded for Mingo for a reason.

Maybe next year is the year Tolbert is more consistent. But the player we see today is replaceable.

Mingo ? Show me how he replaces Tolbert or anyone else ??