Tom Brady suspension nullified

[40yrpatsfan]

They absolutely had a case.

When you have footballs underinflated and you have texts between Jastremski and McNally discussing deflating the footballs for payment from Brady and McNally acting as a go-between for Brady.

The texts were pretty explicit to the point where Jastremski joked about calling himself the 'deflator' and that if Tom didn't pay up he would jack up the footballs to the size of rugby balls and watermelons.

Then when the deflation was acknowledged by the league, McNally acting as a go-between for Brady was asking if McNally was okay and didn't want him to panic. There was also proof that Brady called McNally into the QB room once the deflate scandal was acknowledged by the league.

The league also had video evidence showing Jastremski going into the bathroom by himself with the balls, against NFL protocol and showed that he had enough time to deflate the footballs.

The fact is that at the very best gaseous physics when it pertains to a football is an inexact science. For every scientist you can come up with that says that the footballs were deflated as part of the natural process over time...there is a scientist that will claim it is hogwash and the footballs had to be purposely deflated.

That's where the texts and video come into play. And the statistics show this as well as the Patriots' fumble rate dropped at an enormous rate and if you look at Brady's sacks per fumble rate in his career, cross reference other QB's with similar experience and fumble rates, his rate of sacks per fumble dropped dramatically in 2007. And that's where SpyGate comes into play as well because if the Patriots cheated that badly once, their credibility is weak in this case.
YR

You could've stopped at "When you have footballs underinflated", cause the rest is just noise. They weren't underinflated beyond natural deflation. 3 of the 4 Colts balls were also underinflated (below 12.5).

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Wells asked for a list of the texts, not the phone, he was clear and on the record that he didn't want the phone. Brady's team eventually gave the NFL the requested list. Wells also had all the ball boys texts, so anything from Brady was on there. The "destroyed" phone was just a distraction by the NFL cause they had no case or proof of anything.

They had to give the phones over to the NFL because Jastremski's and McNally's phones were property of the NFL.

Brady's phone was his own property.

It wasn't a distraction by the league. They had proof of text conversations of Jastremski and McNally discussing getting paid by 'Tom' to deflate the footballs.




YR

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Wells asked for a list of the texts, not the phone, he was clear and on the record that he didn't want the phone. Brady's team eventually gave the NFL the requested list. Wells also had all the ball boys texts, so anything from Brady was on there. The "destroyed" phone was just a distraction by the NFL cause they had no case or proof of anything.

I don't think this is true. The so called "Texts", as I understand it, were typed and prepared as opposed to actual copies of the SMS Text material and, they were provided after the NFL had already escalated this. Brady and his Lawyers did not cooperate with the NFL when originally asked for. It was after the fact.

All of this speaks to the obstruction that was knowingly carried out by Brady and condoned by the Pats.

The NFL has proof. That's not really in question. The NFL was called to the carpet on the proccesss and how they came to the decision of 4 games. The question of Brady's guilt is really not in question.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

You could've stopped at "When you have footballs underinflated", cause the rest is just noise. They weren't underinflated beyond natural deflation. 3 of the 4 Colts balls were also underinflated (below 12.5).

You could've stopped by never saying a word. Everybody knows you're a Patriots lapdog and that it bothers you that their credibility as a franchise and their credibility of winning Super Bowls is forever tarnished.

The Colts' footballs were not as underinflated as much as the Patriots footballs. And the Colts footballs were reasonably below the PSI based on what the effect of time and the conditions could do to the football.

So keep spinning, it doesn't take away the fact that the football world views Tom Brady as a cheater and when he is in the HoF years from now, it will be brought up that he cheated and got away with it.




YR

 

[40yrpatsfan]

I don't think this is true. The so called "Texts", as I understand it, were typed and prepared as opposed to actual copies of the SMS Text material and, they were provided after the NFL had already escalated this. Brady and his Lawyers did not cooperate with the NFL when originally asked for. It was after the fact.

All of this speaks to the obstruction that was knowingly carried out by Brady and condoned by the Pats.

The NFL has proof. That's not really in question. The NFL was called to the carpet on the proccesss and how they came to the decision of 4 games. The question of Brady's guilt is really not in question.

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/Wells-says-he-told-Brady-you-keep-the-phone

Ted Wells wanted to make clear during his conference call on Tuesday that he did not ask Tom Brady to hand over his cellphone.

Since the Wells Report was released last week, there has been an assumption by some that the Patriots quarterback chose not to hand over texts and emails to investigators because he didn't want them to have access to messages or information that did not pertain to the case.

Wells explained on his call that Brady was very cooperative during his interview with investigators, but Wells sought to refute the notion that Brady was asked to relinquish his privacy by giving up his phone.

"Mr. Brady, the report sets forth, he came to the interview, he answered every question, he did not refuse to answer any questions in terms of the back and forth between Mr. Brady and my team -- he was totally cooperative," Wells said.

"And I want to be crystal clear, I told Mr. Brady and his agents I was willing to not take possession of the phone, I don’t want to see any private communications, I said, ‘You keep the phone, you give me documents that are responsive to this investigation, and I will take your word for it.’ And they still refused."

Brady's team corrected the "they still refused" part later, turning over the requested list of texts and calls.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/Wells-says-he-told-Brady-you-keep-the-phone

Ted Wells wanted to make clear during his conference call on Tuesday that he did not ask Tom Brady to hand over his cellphone.

Since the Wells Report was released last week, there has been an assumption by some that the Patriots quarterback chose not to hand over texts and emails to investigators because he didn't want them to have access to messages or information that did not pertain to the case.

Wells explained on his call that Brady was very cooperative during his interview with investigators, but Wells sought to refute the notion that Brady was asked to relinquish his privacy by giving up his phone.

"Mr. Brady, the report sets forth, he came to the interview, he answered every question, he did not refuse to answer any questions in terms of the back and forth between Mr. Brady and my team -- he was totally cooperative," Wells said.

"And I want to be crystal clear, I told Mr. Brady and his agents I was willing to not take possession of the phone, I don’t want to see any private communications, I said, ‘You keep the phone, you give me documents that are responsive to this investigation, and I will take your word for it.’ And they still refused."

Brady's team corrected the "they still refused" part later, turning over the requested list of texts and calls.

The NFL never asked Brady to give up his phone, as I understand it. They asked Brady to show them the texts, on a honor basis, that pertained to the issue. They refused and that's a matter of record. The NFL then asked to have his legal team give copies of the texts in print, also on the honor system, which was again refused and again, a matter of record. The Brady team did neither until way after the fact. All of this was reported as it happened.

Again, the question of guilt is no longer. They were guilty and that's not the issue. It's the process, by which, the NFL chose to handle this issue.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Again, the question of guilt is no longer. They were guilty and that's not the issue.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

Thursday, there was a flurry of articles by Washington Post, Forbes, GQ, Slate commenting this is an EPIC FAIL for Goodell, and even for termination/resignation. Add to that, he's often on the worst commisioner list, even before DeflateGate. Goodell could find himself in court a lot with players like Hardy following the Brady precedent. Publically, the owners will support Goodell, but privately he may have less support than during the Ray Rice fiasco. Over time, the cost of losing in court with the bad PR that never happened with great commissioners like Bell, Rozelle, Taglibue will take their toll.

Gambling is such a big deal in MLB because it nearly destroyed it in 1919 - "the integrity of the game." Ironically, Goodell is hurting the integrity of the game by mocking procedures, being inconsistent, overkill - just like Judge Berman ruled. It was New England that got smacked this time....it could easily be Dallas, as they have plenty of enemies and teams that would love to put them in a similar situation

http://www.gq.com/story/roger-goodell-tom-brady-patriots-suspension

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport..._the_nfl_commissioner_s_tom_brady_ruling.html

 

[Rogah]

Happy day to you as well when you see Brady slammed to the turf over and over again. I hope we have Hardy for that game. Serious question, why do Patsies fans troll Cowboys forums?

Serious answer:

I am a Cowboys fan who believes there is no real evidence demonstrating the Patriots are guilty. I also believe that, even if they are guilty, they got completely railroaded by the league office, and were treated more unfairly than any other case in sports history.

The Patriots are not a rival of the Cowboys. They play once every 4 years, and despite those two teams being in 33% of all Super Bowls, have never faced each other there.

I know my opinion is in the minority here, but I see nothing about being a Cowboys fan that precludes me from defending New England in this case.

 

[Rogah]

Your the one saying they were unfair with Brady... So which is it? I never said they were unfair to the coach and Owner,

You're complaining that the coach wasn't punished and you implicated him as part of the scheme. You said the Wells report was "predicated on the fact that Belichick didn't know" which is untrue. The Wells Report made no such assumption; in fact, Wells investigated Belichick and found him to be innocent of any wrong doing.

You didn't use the word "unfair" to describe Belichick, but you said he was involved and should have been punished, despite the fact that he was completely exonerated by Wells.

And as far as the law of physics, everybody knows that Brady cheated, that's why players are even tweeting it's about the process. The judge never touched that aspect. And you know it, which is why you keep bringing up Minnesota.

The judge actually did touch briefly in the issue of guilt. The NFL lawyer (Pash) admitted under oath there was no direct evidence linking Brady to the "crime."

And yeah, it's in the official meaning the NFL botched the Ravens game. And yeah it's on the NFL because once again it shows obliviousness in relation to the Patriots. Everybody pointed it out and they still botched it against the Colts. The NFL has done more to give attention to the Dez call..

They changed the rules as a result of each play. I don't see how that gives more attention to one than the other. But if the worst you have is that the refs made a bad call in the Patriots game (which isn't even true) then I don't see how that's "cheating."

 

[40yrpatsfan]

The NFL never asked Brady to give up his phone, as I understand it. They asked Brady to show them the texts, on a honor basis, that pertained to the issue. They refused and that's a matter of record. The NFL then asked to have his legal team give copies of the texts in print, also on the honor system, which was again refused and again, a matter of record. The Brady team did neither until way after the fact. All of this was reported as it happened.

Again, the question of guilt is no longer. They were guilty and that's not the issue. It's the process, by which, the NFL chose to handle this issue.

There was never a question of guilt once the ball inflations were published. Natural deflation explains all the variances, including the Colts balls being under. Patriots were not guilty of anything. And the reason the NFL violated every due process/fairness practice imaginable is because they were covering for the fact they had no evidence that anything ever happened.

 

[Rogah]

Serious question here...I can only recall the equipment guys being interviewed one time by Wells, with Wells being denied a second interview later. When did they get interviewed 5 times and by whom? I am not arguing your statement, just curious as to when, where, and by whom the interviews occurred. Those two, IMO, are central to the truth in this whole thing. They sure weren't interviewed by Goodell during the appeal, at least to my knowledge.

First of all my statement contains an error. I meant to say they were interview 5 times TOTAL, not 5 times EACH. I apologize for the error. It was a total brain fart. To answer the question:

NFL Security interviewed them about the incident during the first stages of the investigation. McNally was interviewed 3 times and Jastremski twice. These interviews and the initial investigation literally began right then and there on gameday in the stadium. Then, later on, each man submitted to a 4th and 3rd interview with Wells.

 

[dallasdave]

Wells asked for a list of the texts, not the phone, he was clear and on the record that he didn't want the phone. Brady's team eventually gave the NFL the requested list. Wells also had all the ball boys texts, so anything from Brady was on there. The "destroyed" phone was just a distraction by the NFL cause they had no case or proof of anything.

The NFL is not a court of law, the police, judge, jury, they are an employer and should let the legal system do their job and stay out of players business !!!

 

[Rogah]

Rogah expects to show precedent on something that is unprecedented.

Tampering with footballs is hardly unprecedented. We saw the Panthers do it on live TV. We learned of an example where the Jets did it back in 2009. The only thing unprecedented about this is the federal case that has (literally) been made of the whole thing.

 

[LandryFan]

First of all my statement contains an error. I meant to say they were interview 5 times TOTAL, not 5 times EACH. I apologize for the error. It was a total brain fart. To answer the question:

NFL Security interviewed them about the incident during the first stages of the investigation. McNally was interviewed 3 times and Jastremski twice. These interviews and the initial investigation literally began right then and there on gameday in the stadium. Then, later on, each man submitted to a 4th and 3rd interview with Wells.

Ok. Thanks for the info/clarification.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

The NFL is not a court of law

Correct.

Like any business, they want to be insync with the law so they avoid days in court like yesterday.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

There was never a question of guilt once the ball inflations were published. Natural deflation explains all the variances, including the Colts balls being under. Patriots were not guilty of anything. And the reason the NFL violated every due process/fairness practice imaginable is because they were covering for the fact they had no evidence that anything ever happened.

Only Pats fans and Roderick McKinnon, Noble Prize Winner (in Biophysics and Molecular Neurology, neither of which make him an authority on the topic) believe that report. That's as bad as the Wells report to be honest.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Tampering with footballs is hardly unprecedented. We saw the Panthers do it on live TV. We learned of an example where the Jets did it back in 2009. The only thing unprecedented about this is the federal case that has (literally) been made of the whole thing.

What does this have to do with anything? Is it illegal, according to the rules of the game? If the answer is yes, and we both know it is, then this statement has no bearing on anything.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Serious answer:

I am a Cowboys fan who believes there is no real evidence demonstrating the Patriots are guilty. I also believe that, even if they are guilty, they got completely railroaded by the league office, and were treated more unfairly than any other case in sports history.

The Patriots are not a rival of the Cowboys. They play once every 4 years, and despite those two teams being in 33% of all Super Bowls, have never faced each other there.

I know my opinion is in the minority here, but I see nothing about being a Cowboys fan that precludes me from defending New England in this case.

I don't believe you are a cowboys fan. Many do not believe you.

For me, it's over. My guess is you will be defending the patriots for years to come. Enjoy!

What does this have to do with anything? Is it illegal, according to the rules of the game? If the answer is yes, and we both know it is, then this statement has no bearing on anything.

It's too bad it was about the process and not about what really happened. Like OJ.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

What does this have to do with anything? Is it illegal, according to the rules of the game? If the answer is yes, and we both know it is, then this statement has no bearing on anything.

To a degree it does, regarding precedent for punishment.