Tomlin vs Switzer

[Switz]

I didn't forgive Jerry for hiring Switzer until the day he hired Parcells.

remind me in 4 season how many playoff games did Parcells win?

 

[Bach]

remind me in 4 season how many playoff games did Parcells win?

I just wish Parcells had a chance to take over the Cowboys when they were coming off back to back championships. I gurantee that after 4 years he wouldn't have led them to 6-10.

 

[Switz]

I just wish Parcells had a chance to take over the Cowboys when they were coming off back to back championships. I gurantee that after 4 years he wouldn't have led them to 6-10.

yeah right at that point and Jerry and his Ego was super inflated NO WAY.... Parcells and Jerry could have ever came to a agreement for him to coach that statment is just obserd. Jerry was in even MORE control and crazy...

 

[Bach]

yeah right at that point and Jerry and his Ego was super inflated NO WAY.... Parcells and Jerry could have ever came to a agreement for him to coach that statment is just obserd. Jerry was in even MORE control and crazy...

Point is, Switzer took over a championship team, one of the most dominant ever. Parcells took over a 3-peat 5-11 team. How do you think Switzer would've fared taking over the same team BP did? Probably would've broke the NFL record for consecutive 5 win seasons.

 

[Hostile]

remind me in 4 season how many playoff games did Parcells win?

None. Way below my expectations. Read here rather than ask me for clarifications.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144451

I'd still take him over Switzer any day of the week and twice on game days. If he had inherited Jimmy's team there is no way this would have fallen apart.

Instead he inherited year 10 of the Switzer undisciplined mess.

Switch roles and have Switzer taking over Campo's teams and we are in sad shape instead of good shape hoping our players and coaches will finally "get it."

 

[Switz]

1. Because Tomlin was a coach at some level in the NFL before he took over for Cowher. Switzer was basically hired off the couch.

how much NFL experance did Jimmy Jonhson have when hired in 89?

2. Because Switzer took over a team that had already gotten to the Super Bowl and won it twice.

steelers won the superbowl in 05... look at this roster much of the same core players for Pittsburgh in 08.

3. Because the Steelers of 2006 weren't anywhere near as dominant as the Cowboys team of its consecutive Super Bowl wins.

I agree however keep in mind the 06 steelers that went 8-8 had there QB go face first on a motorcycle into a chrysler... and ALMOST DIE.. next he had a apendix attack before the season started as well.. they finshed the season 6-2.

4. Because Tomlin demands respect from his squad. Switzer was basically a buffon who let the inmates run the asylum.

different coaching styles BUT ITS JERRY WHO created the asylum NOT Barry.

5. Because the Steelers had a decline from their Super Bowl win the previous year, meaning they weren't as dominant as you want to give them credit for.

see ben's near death car crash

6. Because the Steelers lost Russ Grimm and Whisenhunt, and yet Tomlin didn't miss a beat.

so you are telling me the steelers this season are winning with offence? NO.. defense.. see dick lebou D corrdinator and one of the best d's in the past 30 years...

7. Who on the Steelers squad is the likes of Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin, Charles Haley and Deion Sanders - all of whom are likely to be Hall of Fame candidates? I see maybe Troy Polamalu and possibly Big Ben.

Ben Troy P, Hines Ward.. Oh and they have the DPY James Harrison.(another cowher player)

. Who did Tomlin have as running back for most of the year? Willie Parker was hurt. Big Ben was banged up for most of the season, and the offensive line was considered a weak link in the offense. Yet, here they are in the Super Bowl.

Moore has done a ok job that said I dont get what your point is here. Nearly all the defenseive players are cowher players

Because he has been able to keep his team emotionally stable and even-keel. Observe his demeanor, then observe Switzer's, who drew ire from Ray Rhodes for disrespecting his team. Then there's Switzer who attracts attention to himself trying to bring a gun through airport security.

hummm... again different coaching styles Barry was very good at handling the media... however he was a colorful guy just who he is... Tomlin is like wallpaper using tomlinisums "it was a tuff game we went out there and played footbal" you mention swizter arrest at the airport.. so what... it was not intential.. yet how many of you remember Santino Holmes got ARRESTED THIS SEASON FOR POT IN HIS CAR YET NEVER GOT SUSPENED BY THE NFL. Also before the seaosn started James Harrison has a physical altercation with his wife that was dismissed by the courts when he took anger managemet classes... I could go on to site other things that have involved steeler players that have been brushed under the rug by the local media in Pittsburgh and never reported by the national media. but I do wonder if these things happened to cowboys players how that would have been treated.

10. And probably most important, please tell me if you've heard a peep from any players or any coaches in the Steelers organization complaining about Tomlin? Players were chatting anonymously that Switzer didn't know what he was doing, let the players run the show, etc.

again the steeler run things different.... they dont have ESPN capmed out at there traning facility dallas does BUT for the record.. willie parker and Big Benthis season on more than one occasion BASHED there OC Bruces Ariens for play calling selection and lack of calling run plays... you just dont hear about it as much becasue ESPN for FOX Sports or whoever else is living at Valley Ranch... not the south side of Pittsburgh with the steelers....

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Cause until you see what Tomlin does in a few years, after it's mainly his own guys there, then it's impossible to really know if now is only because it's Cowhers guys or because the guy can actually coach.

 

[Switz]

Cause until you see what Tomlin does in a few years, after it's mainly his own guys there, then it's impossible to really know if now is only because it's Cowhers guys or because the guy can actually coach.

that very well may be true, However since no one was a crystal ball and this teams HAS COWHER GUYS ON IT A LOT OF THEM AT KEY POSITIONS YET I HEAR NO ONE SAYING

 

[Hostile]

that very well may be true, However since no one was a crystal ball and this teams HAS COWHER GUYS ON IT A LOT OF THEM AT KEY POSITIONS YET I HEAR NO ONE SAYING

And I hear it said all the time. I guess it depends on who you are listening to.

 

[RainMan]

that very well may be true, However since no one was a crystal ball and this teams HAS COWHER GUYS ON IT A LOT OF THEM AT KEY POSITIONS YET I HEAR NO ONE SAYING

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that Tomlin still has a lot to prove. He's been at it two years, and much like what Jon Gruden did when he won his Super Bowl, was handed a Super Bowl-caliber team intact.

Of course, so was Wade Philips and we see how that's going, but that's another story.

Anyway, who knows if Tomlin will be successful in five years when Cowher's influence is no longer still within the players. But without knowing he's set to fail, I think it's unfair to say he's no better than a nitwit like Switzer. To me, he has to prove he's LIKE Switzer more so than he has to prove he isn't.

 

[Velvet Jones]

:laugh2: at this thread. Tomlin didn't inherit a roster loaded with HOFers and have it in the toilet 3 years later.

And you think Switzer did?? That was Jerry holding onto guys way too long and refusing to give any ground. I am not nearly a Jones basher but you can't blame Switzer for Jerry being way too loyal to players for way too long.

 

[Cowboys2008]

Because Tomlin has been winning consistently since he took over.

Well, in Switzer's first two years you could say that too. Won all the way to a championship game and then to a Super Bowl the year later.

The problem with Switzer was discipline, not gameplan. The guy knew how to win, period. He just won with a train full of convicts, whom at a certain point after winning that 3rd Super Bowl of the 90's decided to self-implode and derail the train.

He was a big-time winner at Oklahoma, also. Though in the end, same thing as with in Dallas, convicts and their devices.

Personally, I think he should have gotten another chance. Put him with a guy like Parcells to be the "tough-guy" for him that nobody will cross, and watch this guy win. That's what he does and has always done. Just let him concentrate on coaching and be the good-ole boy that he is. Not only does he win, but it's a fun ride watching him win. The guy is one of the best personalities this league has had.

 

[Kilyin]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that Tomlin still has a lot to prove. He's been at it two years, and much like what Jon Gruden did when he won his Super Bowl, was handed a Super Bowl-caliber team intact.

Of course, so was Wade Philips and we see how that's going, but that's another story.

Anyway, who knows if Tomlin will be successful in five years when Cowher's influence is no longer still within the players. But without knowing he's set to fail, I think it's unfair to say he's no better than a nitwit like Switzer. To me, he has to prove he's LIKE Switzer more so than he has to prove he isn't.

Uh, Wade Phillips wasn't 'handed a Super Bowl calibre team'. In fact, this team wasn't crowned by the media as a 'Super Bowl calibre team' until after Wade's first 13-3 season. Just because the media prematurely annointed them as such doesn't make it true. It just means the Cowboys were totally overrated, just like Mike Tomlin (who's yet to prove anything). When you look at things realistically, Phillips inherited a 9-7 team.

I don't understand the hate for Switzer. Not that he was my favorite coach or anything, but he was handed the keys and he took us to the race and won.

 

[Bach]

I don't understand the hate for Switzer. Not that he was my favorite coach or anything, but he was handed the keys and he took us to the race and won.

They took him.

 

[Kilyin]

They took him.

Well that works both ways... since I could say the same thing about the Steelers and Tomlin (if they win). Perception is funny like that.

 

[Bach]

Well that works both ways... since I could say the same thing about the Steelers and Tomlin (if they win). Perception is funny like that.

That may be true as well.

But as for Switzer, he was just one of 500 who could've stood on the sideline and got a ring. He was terrible in the NFL, was undisciplined and didn't add anything. The existing staff and players squeaked one more championship out before Switzer and Jerry's incompetence finally took over.

 

[Hostile]

Uh, Wade Phillips wasn't 'handed a super bowl calibre team'. Just because the media prematurely annointed them as such, as well as the 'most talented team in the league' doesn't make it true. It just means the Cowboys were totally overrated, just like Mike Tomlin (who's yet to prove anything). The fact is Phillips inherited a 9-7 team.

I don't understand the hate for Switzer. Not that he was my favorite coach or anything, but he was handed the keys and he took us to the race and won.

The day he was hired I threw a fit. I said, "this team will begin a downward spiral as the result of this and it will take 10 years to get us out."

One of the worst moments of his tenure was him screaming at Jerry "we did it, we did it our way baby!" I thought then that all it would accomplish was to feed Jerry's ego and make him think it was a good move. Right after that Super Bowl is when Irvin got arrested and I remember thinking, "here we go, now the arrests start." And they did.

In 2 years we went from the baddest team on the planet to the baddest team on the police blotter. Some of the allegations were proven false, but they just kept coming.

From there it only took 2 more seasons for this team to hit 6-10.

Gailey brought the team back up a little bit, but he got a raw deal. Two post season losses cooked his giblets.

Then we got Campo. The ultimate yes man.

Switzer hired March 31, 1994. Parcells hired January 2, 2003. 8 years, 9 months, and 2 days. I figured that meant the end of the pain was near and Parcells was it.

Sure enough professionalism returned, but the results didn't. The December swoon started under Switzer's watch.

I simply can't stand the guy. Hard for me to figure out any Cowboys fan who does. He is the direct link to the losing.

 

[Bach]

The day he was hired I threw a fit. I said, "this team will begin a downward spiral as the result of this and it will take 10 years to get us out."

I simply can't stand the guy. Hard for me to figure out any Cowboys fan who does. He is the direct link to the losing.

Everything you said here is true, except Barry didn't force himself in here. And he didn't draft the players, nor did he have anything to do with undermining Gailey or hiring the 'yes man' Campo. That's all Jerry. Switzer never belonged in the NFL, especially five years after being run out of Oklahoma. But someone brought him here and he deserves most of the blame.

 

[montgod]

Ok just courious from the diehards like him or not Barry Swizter is the LAST coach to win a playoff game for the Dallas Cowboys...

having said that we all know everyone said he did it with Jimmy's team.. That said...

Barry Swizter in 2nd season won the superbowl as Head Coach..

Mike Tomlin in much the same situation is on the verge of doing the exact same thing...

I care to hear from you guys as to WHY NO ONE IS SAYING Tomlin is winning with Bill Cowhers team?

No comparison. Remember how long it took Cowher to get a ring? Tomlin did it in two years... if they win.

Switzer should have won at the very least, 3 rings with that team. The one he did win was because of the leadership on the Cowboys who led themselves to win despite the ignorance of their head coach. As someone else said, has ANYONE dared to hire Switzer since then? No... cause he is horrible.

No comparison. I will take a leap and say, if Tomlin was coach of the Cowboys now, the Boys would have been closer to the Superbowl then they are now.

 

[Hostile]

Everything you said here is true, except Barry didn't force himself in here. And he didn't draft the players, nor did he have anything to do with undermining Gailey or hiring the 'yes man' Campo. That's all Jerry. Switzer never belonged in the NFL, especially five years after being run out of Oklahoma. But someone brought him here and he deserves most of the blame.

I have never denied that. Not once. I just cut the guy some slack once he hired Parcells. I don't dwell on Switzer, Gailey, and Campo.

Parcells didn't get the job done, but he took us to the place where it can get done. If Wade can't win with this group he will be on my hate list. Right now he's in the creek without a paddle.

No one gets any slack from me unless they are doing their job. All of them have to do better. Every air breathing man jack of them.