Tonight just confirms what we already knew...

[Bob Sacamano]

Is that unreasonable ? 10 ?

It wasn't like I said I expected 13 or so.

10 is solid. Not great, not terrible.

that's a 4 game improvement, you think your skins are good enough to win 4 more games?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Depth across the board is pretty even for both Washington and Dallas. Washington has its strong and weak points, Dallas has its. Difference is, some people have such homer colored shades that they fail to realize the faults on there own team. Who steps up for Big D if Newman goes down? If Roy goes down? If ANYONE on the offensive line goes down? Julius Jones would be third string in Washington. The only place where depth exists is the linebackers. Other than that every other spot on the team has next to nothing for backups.

The difference is you named a bunch of Cowboy players.
Yes, the Boys have lots of players.
I have trouble naming more than two players on that squad. Nobodies. Have-beens
:laugh1:

 

[TunaFan33]

Well...

1) Teams AREN'T usually deep at the OL anyways(not even the Eagles)-and chemistry means EVERYTHING on this front to boot. So if a key guy goes down, regardless the team, alot of blocking assignments could potentially be missed. It was alot like when Hotel went down 2 years ago-Torrin played pretty decently, not bad(except for a couple of games), but alot of assignments on blitzes et al were miscommunicated by him and Allen during this time.

2) It depends on WHO gets injured. The better teams usually are able to overcome alot of their injuries b/c they are well coached and have alot of chemistry as a unit. However-what if, let's say, Brian Dawkins or Jeremiah Trotter go down? Sure, the Eagles are deep at LB and safety, but you just can't replace all the intangibles(i.e. leadership and fire) these guys bring to the table. Same with the Michael Strahan injury last year-Strahan was the glue that pretty much put all the pieces on that Giants D-when he went down, the entire unit just looked lost.

 

[silverbear]

I agree with most of this. The defense looked very solid.

Against an offense that was really bad last year, and was missing its best offensive weapon in this game... the Titans gained a little over 300 yards last year with Young on the field, they gained 286 Saturday night without him... one suspects that the presence of Vince would have translated into enough extra yardage that the Titans would have topped last year's yards per game average...

Campbell looked good when Moss was in (the first two drives), driving the team (with no running game to speak of) past the 50 on both.

Uhhh, the Skins' second "drive" started on their 20, lasted 3 plays, and wound up on their 13 (-7 yards)... it was their third "drive" that they had a LITTLE success...

Bottom line, in those first 3 "drives", Campbell was 2 for 5, had 59 yards, lost 21 yards on two sacks, and had a 4 yard carry... the Skins as a team racked up an awesome 61 yards on those 3 "drives", on 16 plays (3.8 yards per play)... that's in the first quarter, meaning in they kept to the scintillating pace, they would have racked up all of 244 yards for the game...

Beyond that, one completion was a short dumpoff that Randle-El turned into a 20 yard gain, and one play was a 39 yarder downfield to Moss... so basically, in those first three drives and 16 plays, Campbell made exactly one play...

You may call that "looking good", but I sure don't... if you want to see what "looking good" looks like in a preseason game, go check out Tony Romo's play against the Colts, and compare your alleged quarterback against THAT standard...

Jansen has always been a slow starter, but he usually does well in the reg season, so I'll wait for a couple of weeks before I hit the panic button.

But there were whispers at the end of last season that his play was regressing...

I doubt though that taking away a single player will cause a huge OL collapse though, it's probably just a lot of rust.

It will when you don't have even one QUALITY backup on your roster... that's what I've been preaching to you guys for a couple-three years now, but it seems the decision makers at Commanders Park haven't remembered their history, haven't remembered that the heart and soul of the Skins back in their glory days was the Hogs...

Anyways, it's too early to tell, and I think it's a bit early to call a previously excellent OL bad because of a bad game.

Your OL was hardly "excellent" last year, not when the Skins finished ranked 13th in total offense... decent, perhaps mediocre, would be the descriptors I'd use here... indeed, in the last 4 years, the Skins' offense has ranked 13th in 2006, 11th in 2005, 30th in 2004, 23rd in 2003... IOW, it has been some years since the Skins' offense, and their offensive line, has been "good", let alone "excellent"...

And now it's missing one of the starters on that unit, with a questionable replacement being plugged in... then throw in the injury to Samuels, and what we saw Saturday was exactly what I expected to see...

Sorry to step on the oft-repeated myth of the "good" Commanders' offensive line... it simply doesn't exist... indeed, it wasn't so much that Jason Campbell was bad on Saturday night, as it was his offensive line was a sieve...

But hey, you go on telling yourself to "remain calm, all is well"...

 

[silverbear]

that's a 4 game improvement, you think your skins are good enough to win 4 more games?

London Fletcher is worth an extra 2 games, so is Laron Landry... Todd Wade will make Skins fans forget all about Derrick Dockery... Jason Campbell will make a quantum leap forward, taking his sub-77 quarterback rating at least 15, maybe 20 points higher...

This is what they call Commanders Logic...

 

[TunaFan33]

Not trying to defend the Skins or anything-yeah, last year their D was pitiful, HOWEVER...

It was their REDZONE OFFENSE that killed them. They blew a number of games last year b/c while their O stats looked great on paper, they all but self-destructed every time they got inside the 20.(in our 2nd game with them, they started the game with a nice 8 minute drive, but couldn't even get ONE yard for 6-otherwise, the game could have very well been a blowout Skins). Dunno if it was Al Saunders playcalling, the execution, or whatever, but it definitely took a big whiff out of this team.

 

[dallasfan]

So I guess Pacman wasnt really that big of an impact to begin with ? .

I never knocked Pacman's 2006 contributions, just noted that as bad as the D was, they lost probably their 2nd best player

Teams got up on them because of the offense. They ran, ran, and ran some more. .

They would be a valid excuse, if they didn't win 7 games. Down the stretch, they were in all their games except like one. And how do you explain the passing YPG being low, if teams got up early and ran, ran, ran?

Rankings dont always equate to success, nor many other "football" stats. .

From watching their defense, I don't understand how anyone can say it's decent

Watch the games and it becomes easier.

Yeah.....you should try it.

 

[firehawk350]

Against an offense that was really bad last year, and was missing its best offensive weapon in this game... the Titans gained a little over 300 yards last year with Young on the field, they gained 286 Saturday night without him... one suspects that the presence of Vince would have translated into enough extra yardage that the Titans would have topped last year's yards per game average...

You can't just add yards on for a given player. Then, in that case, can I just add yards on if Portis was healthy??? No, it doesn't work that way. Furthermore, you can't project yards based on half a game. I guess in that case, if Betts got a 50 yard gain on one of his runs, WOO-HOO, that's a 200 yard game baby!

Uhhh, the Skins' second "drive" started on their 20, lasted 3 plays, and wound up on their 13 (-7 yards)... it was their third "drive" that they had a LITTLE success...

Bottom line, in those first 3 "drives", Campbell was 2 for 5, had 59 yards, lost 21 yards on two sacks, and had a 4 yard carry... the Skins as a team racked up an awesome 61 yards on those 3 "drives", on 16 plays (3.8 yards per play)... that's in the first quarter, meaning in they kept to the scintillating pace, they would have racked up all of 244 yards for the game...

Again, you use the projected, if things continued as they were... Doesn't work dude... If Campbell couldn't make plays, and 2 of those 3 drives ended in Tennessee territory, our rushing attack should have been great, right? No wait, it was pretty bad. So however did that happen???

Beyond that, one completion was a short dumpoff that Randle-El turned into a 20 yard gain, and one play was a 39 yarder downfield to Moss... so basically, in those first three drives and 16 plays, Campbell made exactly one play...

You may call that "looking good", but I sure don't... if you want to see what "looking good" looks like in a preseason game, go check out Tony Romo's play against the Colts, and compare your alleged quarterback against THAT standard...

3 for 4 for like 34 yards against the Colts starters. If he does that well against the Broncos, then you'll have something, but frankly, I wasn't all that impressed. He threw 3 dump-offs that were complete and gained some yards. The only throw he had downfield was into double coverage to TO and that was incomplete. When the starters went out and you didn't have to keep the TE into help block Freeney, he abused the Colts with Fasano. If Campbell had the same option (throwing to a TE), we would be talking about a completely different game here. Saunders uses his TEs a lot and are an important part of the game plan. Did you forget that Cooley caught over 70 passes last year???

But there were whispers at the end of last season that his play was regressing...

I don't remember what your responding to, and I don't feel like looking it up.

It will when you don't have even one QUALITY backup on your roster... that's what I've been preaching to you guys for a couple-three years now, but it seems the decision makers at Commanders Park haven't remembered their history, haven't remembered that the heart and soul of the Skins back in their glory days was the Hogs...

It was idiocy to leave Heyer out there by himself, but that's just what happened. One quality back-up??? Yeah, Betts is no good...

Your OL was hardly "excellent" last year, not when the Skins finished ranked 13th in total offense... decent, perhaps mediocre, would be the descriptors I'd use here... indeed, in the last 4 years, the Skins' offense has ranked 13th in 2006, 11th in 2005, 30th in 2004, 23rd in 2003... IOW, it has been some years since the Skins' offense, and their offensive line, has been "good", let alone "excellent"...

Dude, you don't know what your talking about. We were fourth (or something in that range) for rushing and only 19 sacks given up. Most sources I've seen have them in the top 5.

And now it's missing one of the starters on that unit, with a questionable replacement being plugged in... then throw in the injury to Samuels, and what we saw Saturday was exactly what I expected to see...

Sorry to step on the oft-repeated myth of the "good" Commanders' offensive line... it simply doesn't exist... indeed, it wasn't so much that Jason Campbell was bad on Saturday night, as it was his offensive line was a sieve...

But hey, you go on telling yourself to "remain calm, all is well"...

It's missing one of it's starters, your right. The guy who replaced him is a rookie getting his first snaps. There is going to be miscues and the like. Wade is a questionable replacement, but again, he's going to take a couple of games to get into the groove of things.

But your right, the first preseason game is enough time for us to tell how everyone is going to do this year. Peyton, your going to be, ehhhh, average. Reggie Wayne didn't catch anything, so I'm not expecting anything outta him this year... Anyways, that's enough sarcasm

 

[firehawk350]

Not trying to defend the Skins or anything-yeah, last year their D was pitiful, HOWEVER...

It was their REDZONE OFFENSE that killed them. They blew a number of games last year b/c while their O stats looked great on paper, they all but self-destructed every time they got inside the 20.(in our 2nd game with them, they started the game with a nice 8 minute drive, but couldn't even get ONE yard for 6-otherwise, the game could have very well been a blowout Skins). Dunno if it was Al Saunders playcalling, the execution, or whatever, but it definitely took a big whiff out of this team.

The redzone offense was bad, but that's because Portis was out. Portis is a much better redzone back then Betts.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Dude, you don't know what your talking about. We were fourth (or something in that range) for rushing and only 19 sacks given up. Most sources I've seen have them in the top 5.

Todd Wade will push that unit up to Top 3.

No question about it.

 

[1fisher]

Todd Wade will push that unit up to Top 3.

No question about it.

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[Vintage]

Todd Wade will push that unit up to Top 3.

No question about it.

Great post.

 

[firehawk350]

Todd Wade will push that unit up to Top 3.

No question about it.

Hahaha, good one dude. Well, here's the skinny from Jason LaCanfora... Most people inside the organization thinks that the Heyer/Wade experiment is over. Word is they are looking to move Wade outside to tackle and they don't know who they want inside at guard. Names that have come up (not in his article) are Ross Tucker and possibly trading for Pete Kendall, who is having contract issues with the Jets. Just thought I'd pass it along...

 

[Vintage]

Hahaha, good one dude. Well, here's the skinny from Jason LaCanfora... Most people inside the organization thinks that the Heyer/Wade experiment is over. Word is they are looking to move Wade outside to tackle and they don't know who they want inside at guard. Names that have come up (not in his article) are Ross Tucker and possibly trading for Pete Kendall, who is having contract issues with the Jets. Just thought I'd pass it along...

I'd keep Wade inside at OG.

I liked what I saw from Fabini at OT the other night. He needs to be your 3rd OT.

 

[firehawk350]

I'd keep Wade inside at OG.

I liked what I saw from Fabini at OT the other night. He needs to be your 3rd OT.

Fabini was at OG, and was horrible dude. No wonder you guys released him.

 

[Vintage]

Fabini was at OG, and was horrible dude. No wonder you guys released him.

No....he was good.

Please keep him.

 

[1fisher]

Fabini was at OG, and was horrible dude. No wonder you guys released him.

...... and Snyder signs him......

 

[Hostile]

Fabini was at OG, and was horrible dude. No wonder you guys released him.

You're welcome. You should have heard the stink I put up when we signed him then when we kept him. I thought he was terrible with the Jets his last year there and he was injured. I got told he was solid and not injury prone. That it was a good signing.

Parcells: "I could turn him backwards and he wouldn't give up 15 sacks."

Enjoy.

 

[AbeBeta]

You're welcome. You should have heard the stink I put up when we signed him then when we kept him. I thought he was terrible with the Jets his last year there and he was injured. I got told he was solid and not injury prone. That it was a good signing.

Parcells: "I could turn him backwards and he wouldn't give up 15 sacks."

Enjoy.

Parcells was correct. Fabini did not give up a single sack last year. Even better not a single penalty.

In that regard, his performance was outstanding.

(Here ends my attempt to buck up the Skins fans so that they will be even more crushed when we sweep them).

 

[superpunk]

Todd Wade will push that unit up to Top 3.

No question about it.

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