Tony (2.8 ypc) Pollard eh?

[SteveTheCowboy]

Well it concerns me since were in a salary capped league and I’m a fan of the team. Zeke just isn’t worth the contract. The guy isn’t explosive, he’s good for maybe a 12 yard run every few games and that’s about it.

we can get equal production out of Pollard and use the money elsewhere. Pollard is far more excited and has a burst that Zeke just cannot duplicate.

"equal protection"...no you can't. You've never seen him do it...EVER. not even in college.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I don't know who this Ronald chap is but if you wanna harp.. let's harp.. Let's go ahead and look at their games below 4 ypc.


Zeke

Week 3: 2.43
Week 8: 3.32
Week 7: 3.75
Week 9: 2.83
Week 12: 3.20

Pollard

Week 2: 3.0
Week 6: 3.1
Week 7: 2.0
Week 12 3.0
Week 13 2.75

Seeing both backs having multiple games this bad tells me this line stinks out load. Shocking. Seeing that the "big play" back has as many such games than the washed up plodder who is allegedly getting stuffed over and over tells me some people are watching a different game than I am. Pollard's ypc average is inflated by a couple of big runs and a small sample size. Didn't he get like 15% of his yards on one run? The more he runs the lower his ypc gets. Mind you my intent is not to bash Tony Pollard. He is perfectly suited for the change of pace back role. Now that he has at least become decent at blitz pickup you see he is getting more burn earlier in games. I like to see guys rewarded for their hard work and improvement like that. But it bears nothing that since they started doing that after his big showing against Pitt and Minny he hasn't had any impact plays.. at all. It's almost like having to do more of the heavy lifting has worn him down ... Sound familiar?

Ronald doesn’t understand the fallacy of small sample sizes. The more data you have, the more reliable the associated average is.

Let’s look at Pollard’s career carries (150):
755 yards
5.0 YPC
7 20+ yard runs
2 40+ yard runs

Zeke’s last ~150 carries
599 yards
3.86 YPC
1 20+ yard runs
0 40+ yard runs

 

[EST_1986]

"equal protection"...no you can't. You've never seen him do it...EVER. not even in college.

I tell you who I'm not seeing doing it right now and cashing in big time checks for not doing it

 

[CowboyRoy]

If you didn't know then you should get a new news source. Zeke has converted 52 first downs on 199 carries. That's a first down rate of better than 26.1 %. Henry is at 67 of 271. 24.7% .. Cook is 69 on 251 carries or 27.4% ..Robinson is 50 on 212 carries.. or 23.5%. At this point Cook is the only feature back with a better first down percentage than Zeke.. so yeah.. he's a chain mover. Zeke has converted more first downs than every back in the league except for Cook and Henry. Sorry if the numbers don't agree with your perception. But they won't change to make you feel better. Zeke is 4th in carries and 5th in yards.. IN THE WORST YEAR OF HIS CAREER. Let that sink in.. Guys having their wet dream years are barely matching Zeke's worst. That's why you keep this guy around at least one more year to see if he can return to form behind a healthy a line and with a competent passing attack. The cards are heavily stacked against him but there his name sits among the league leaders.. Must drive people who hate him nuts to have to keep reading his name up there. The very thought of it makes me chuckle.

Simply put.....you just don't like Zeke.

Not one thing about him other than his durability.

 

[starfan1]

trying to reason with extreme zeke fans is futile they will never see it. There are a few in here.

 

[uvaballa]

Zeke is overpaid and will be cut before his contract is up.

 

[aria]

Ronald doesn’t understand the fallacy of small sample sizes. The more data you have, the more reliable the associated average is.

Let’s look at Pollard’s career carries (150):
755 yards
5.0 YPC
7 20+ yard runs
2 40+ yard runs

Zeke’s last ~150 carries
599 yards
3.86 YPC
1 20+ yard runs
0 40+ yard runs

That’s because he doesn’t even understand the most basic fallacies. No surprise here.

 

[G2]

we can get equal production out of Pollard and use the money elsewhere.

No we can't.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

What a pile of crap this thread is. So one game where the guy doesn't get a lot of carries and has a poor AYC and this is what you see? This is weak. Pollard is averaging 4.69 AYC this season. Elliott, 3.94 this season. I don't know that I would say Pollard can step in and replace Elliott but looking to one game and trying to make something out of it is, well, craptastic.

 

[G2]

What a pile of crap this thread is. So one game where the guy doesn't get a lot of carries and has a poor AYC and this is what you see? This is weak. Pollard is averaging 4.69 AYC this season. Elliott, 3.94 this season. I don't know that I would say Pollard can step in and replace Elliott but looking to one game and trying to make something out of it is, well, craptastic.

So is not accounting for the number of carries.

 

[RonnieT24]

What a pile of crap this thread is. So one game where the guy doesn't get a lot of carries and has a poor AYC and this is what you see? This is weak. Pollard is averaging 4.69 AYC this season. Elliott, 3.94 this season. I don't know that I would say Pollard can step in and replace Elliott but looking to one game and trying to make something out of it is, well, craptastic.

Call it what you wish.. but it has been a helluva lot more than one game that we've gotten less than 3.5 ypc from Pollard when he's supposed to be the explosive, come in and spark guy. Zeke's job is to be the workhorse and move the chains. Pollard's job is to come in and provide splash plays and some juice. Zeke has done his job with greater regularity than Pollard has. Period. And he has done so while coming into every game as the #1 target of every defense he faces. Meanwhile Pollard is probably #20 to most of the defenses he faces. They probably don't even know his name.. The purpose of the thread was to highlight the repeated hypocrisy employed by people who hate Zeke when they are pumping up Pollard. Pollard had a couple of good games and they were screaming loudly how he should be the man.. He has disappeared in the last two games and so have they.. I wanted to see if they could summon that same energy to defend a guy who averaged 1.3 ypc on his first 7 carries Tuesday night.. I wanted to see if they still wanted to see him replace Zeke with that stellar production. I think I have my answer..

 

[aria]

Call it what you wish.. but it has been a helluva lot more than one game that we've gotten less than 3.5 ypc from Pollard when he's supposed to be the explosive, come in and spark guy. Zeke's job is to be the workhorse and move the chains. Pollard's job is to come in and provide splash plays and some juice. Zeke has done his job with greater regularity than Pollard has. Period. And he has done so while coming into every game as the #1 target of every defense he faces. Meanwhile Pollard is probably #20 to most of the defenses he faces. They probably don't even know his name.. The purpose of the thread was to highlight the repeated hypocrisy employed by people who hate Zeke when they are pumping up Pollard. Pollard had a couple of good games and they were screaming loudly how he should be the man.. He has disappeared in the last two games and so have they.. I wanted to see if they could summon that same energy to defend a guy who averaged 1.3 ypc on his first 7 carries Tuesday night.. I wanted to see if they still wanted to see him replace Zeke with that stellar production. I think I have my answer..

If you want to talk about hypocrisy why don’t you start with my question above which is why you never addressed or started a thread about 2 games where zeke had equivalent or less than 2.8 yards per carry but the minute Pollard does you want to point it out?

Still thinking of excuses? god knows you’ll never run out. “The wind was gusting 10 mph out of the south in that game and zeke was running against it 90% of the time. All but one time, Pollard had the wind at his back.”

Even most of zeke’s supporters see how dumb, illogical and hypocritical your posts are. Most of them are staying away from your posts because they know you make them all look bad. Embarrassing.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Call it what you wish.. but it has been a helluva lot more than one game that we've gotten less than 3.5 ypc from Pollard when he's supposed to be the explosive, come in and spark guy. Zeke's job is to be the workhorse and move the chains. Pollard's job is to come in and provide splash plays and some juice. Zeke has done his job with greater regularity than Pollard has. Period. And he has done so while coming into every game as the #1 target of every defense he faces. Meanwhile Pollard is probably #20 to most of the defenses he faces. They probably don't even know his name.. The purpose of the thread was to highlight the repeated hypocrisy employed by people who hate Zeke when they are pumping up Pollard. Pollard had a couple of good games and they were screaming loudly how he should be the man.. He has disappeared in the last two games and so have they.. I wanted to see if they could summon that same energy to defend a guy who averaged 1.3 ypc on his first 7 carries Tuesday night.. I wanted to see if they still wanted to see him replace Zeke with that stellar production. I think I have my answer..

Well, I think I just did do that. Craptastic.

I mean, I don't see you calling out Zeke for his 2.43 YPC against Seattle or his 2.83 against the Steelers. Hell, you start your post off by saying the following:

"8 carries for 22 yards? Really? This is the guy yall are insisting should replace Zeke?"

Honestly, I don't see anybody up in arms about starting Pollard over Zeke. I see guys saying that Zeke needs to step it up and be the man, just like all of you who supported the contract for Zeke said he could. All of you were all about the whole, Dak can't get it done without Zeke and Zeke is really the main guy, he's really the reason etc. Well, here we are 7 games in, with no Dak and Zeke has one 100 yard game to show for it. That's it, and before anybody tries to lay this on the QBs, as to why his production is down, he didn't have a 100 yard game in the five games that Dak started either so on the season, he has one 100 yard game. That's it.

Yeah, so this whole, greater regularity BS is nothing more then a situation where Zeke gets more carries, more opportunities. The actual production from each of these players, AYPT is much, much better from Pollard. You can try and scam some of these other guys but you ain't never gonna BS your way out of this with me. It's too easy to read the writing on the wall.

Is Pollard a starting caliber RB? I don't know, you can't know until he actually gets the carries and you see how he holds up but he's not a 15 mil a season guy either. So while you are engaging in the social warrior stuff about people who supposedly hate Zeke, don't skim on calling those guys out who claimed that Zeke was the end all, be all at RB in the NFL and was a back who could carry a team. He is neither one of those things this year. He's not even close. Please, start a thread on that as well so that we can all see that you are being honest.

 

[USArmyVet]

Call it what you wish.. but it has been a helluva lot more than one game that we've gotten less than 3.5 ypc from Pollard when he's supposed to be the explosive, come in and spark guy. Zeke's job is to be the workhorse and move the chains. Pollard's job is to come in and provide splash plays and some juice. Zeke has done his job with greater regularity than Pollard has. Period. And he has done so while coming into every game as the #1 target of every defense he faces. Meanwhile Pollard is probably #20 to most of the defenses he faces. They probably don't even know his name.. The purpose of the thread was to highlight the repeated hypocrisy employed by people who hate Zeke when they are pumping up Pollard. Pollard had a couple of good games and they were screaming loudly how he should be the man.. He has disappeared in the last two games and so have they.. I wanted to see if they could summon that same energy to defend a guy who averaged 1.3 ypc on his first 7 carries Tuesday night.. I wanted to see if they still wanted to see him replace Zeke with that stellar production. I think I have my answer..

....and Zeke is supposed to be the highly paid bellcow running back and he has done crap so keep on with your Dak and Zeke love......you can sit in between them and complete the idiot sandwich.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I tell you who I'm not seeing doing it right now and cashing in big time checks for not doing it

I get it. But the whole team is struggling, not just him. I think Amari seems to be having a decent year.

But like I said....Zeke should be held as accountable as anyone else. I'm not gonna defend drops, fumbles and missed blocks. Lotta silliness there.

But I'm not gonna turn on him like sharks feeding on their own bloody species either. I'll shout at him WHILE encouraging him to get his sheet together. Just like everyone else...no matter what the pay grade is.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

....and Zeke is supposed to be the highly paid bellcow running back and he has done crap so keep on with your Dak and Zeke love......you can sit in between them and complete the idiot sandwich.

Behind 3rd stringers and a OC who doesn't know what the hell to do with him. Good call.

 

[Sarge]

Ronald doesn’t understand the fallacy of small sample sizes. The more data you have, the more reliable the associated average is.

Let’s look at Pollard’s career carries (150):
755 yards
5.0 YPC
7 20+ yard runs
2 40+ yard runs

Zeke’s last ~150 carries
599 yards
3.86 YPC
1 20+ yard runs
0 40+ yard runs

You’re not going to change his mind regardless of what the numbers show.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Call it what you wish.. but it has been a helluva lot more than one game that we've gotten less than 3.5 ypc from Pollard when he's supposed to be the explosive, come in and spark guy. Zeke's job is to be the workhorse and move the chains. Pollard's job is to come in and provide splash plays and some juice. Zeke has done his job with greater regularity than Pollard has. Period. And he has done so while coming into every game as the #1 target of every defense he faces. Meanwhile Pollard is probably #20 to most of the defenses he faces. They probably don't even know his name.. The purpose of the thread was to highlight the repeated hypocrisy employed by people who hate Zeke when they are pumping up Pollard. Pollard had a couple of good games and they were screaming loudly how he should be the man.. He has disappeared in the last two games and so have they.. I wanted to see if they could summon that same energy to defend a guy who averaged 1.3 ypc on his first 7 carries Tuesday night.. I wanted to see if they still wanted to see him replace Zeke with that stellar production. I think I have my answer..

The same people flaying the skin of Any Dalton......well....we actually did get to see Andy struggle to excel.

I sometimes wish it were Zeke haters turn, although unlike them I'm not wishing for injury. It would be interesting to see if Pollard would be like almost the only #2 back to do ANY thing over the course of a season or two.

He didn't even do it in college. Now he's gonna take over the NFL? Come on.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

You’re not going to change his mind regardless of what the numbers show.

our "numbers"?.... the history of our flashy number #2 RB's...tell the real story.

The numbers? Show Pollard gets a big play once in awhile then stuffed repeatedly.

 

[robertfchew]

You can claim that, but its a stupid claim that's easily disproven.

do you watch the games?