Tony (2.8 ypc) Pollard eh?

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RonnieT24 said:
Sadly I don't think any of our tight ends is much of a blocker so all they really do when we bring in three of them is allow the defense to pack in even tighter. Which we could take advantage of if we ran wide more than twice a game but Moore seems to be allergic to running outside except on gadget plays.
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I'm not a fan of those plays, they almost always result in a loss.
 
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Streetwise said:
I'm not a fan of those plays, they almost always result in a loss.
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Maybe.. but that's typically a function of our guys not blocking anybody. Our best running plays of the year have come off-tackle when the TE/T doubles the DE at the point of attack and the playside guard can get out to the playside backer and keep him out of the play and the center can do the same with the backside LB. Then of course the receivers have to block their guy to allow the backs room to do thangs once they hit the second level. All of them are decent blockers but none is a Dez level blocker who obliterates the safety or corner on his side. They kinda get in the way and let the guy dance around them too quickly. That's why we have so few long runs since Dez left town. We don't have a receiver who takes his man out of the play like he did except for Noah Brown.. and he doesn't play enough snaps to really take advantage of it. He's like our 5th receiver.. The rest of the guys forget to block to the whistle more often than not. If Gallup had stayed with his man a tick longer on Zeke's nice cutback run against Cincy that thing is going to the house. By letting the guy go it forced Zeke to have to try and get past that guy while outrunning the pursuit. But on the flip side if Zeke sets off on a 70 yard run it's a pretty good bet he might have blown that calf out completely.. or pulled the hammie again..
 
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RonnieT24 said:
I know I read the same scouting reports but when I watch him try to dig a DE out or seal a linebacker I don't see a lot of production there. His blocking may have simply gotten overhyped in KC because Kelce is so bad at it. Big fish small pond syndrome? He doesn't seem to be much better than Dalton.. both are okay when asked to double team with the tackle, which sadly we rarely do but in those times when we leave them to get in the way of the backside DE that guy runs untouched to our ball carrier or QB. Now we can question the wisdom of leaving our tight ends one on one with some of the best pass rushers in the league but that's a lament for another day.
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I would hope we are not back to resorting to Garrett regime with frequently blocking DEs with our TEs.
we may see the viewing scene differently as I don't see Blake Bell falling off blocks or totally whiffing defenders as Dalton did.

i don't think Bell is dominant, he's not even like ex-Cowboys James Harris (sp) as he may be more in that Geoff Swaim type in line blocker, just adequate enough at it to get you by,
Not having the seal block on the edge off tackle plays is a huge role for the OT and the TE, in having a better chance of splash plays (ala Pollard's 44 yd TD vs vikes)

It deserves some stay attention to next year when Jarwin returns, to see if Moore oust the blocking Bell in favor of the more pass catching Schultz in the occasional 2 TE sets..
 
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Maybe.. but that's typically a function of our guys not blocking anybody. Our best running plays of the year have come off-tackle when the TE/T doubles the DE at the point of attack and the playside guard can get out to the playside backer and keep him out of the play and the center can do the same with the backside LB. Then of course the receivers have to block their guy to allow the backs room to do thangs once they hit the second level. All of them are decent blockers but none is a Dez level blocker who obliterates the safety or corner on his side. They kinda get in the way and let the guy dance around them too quickly. That's why we have so few long runs since Dez left town. We don't have a receiver who takes his man out of the play like he did except for Noah Brown.. and he doesn't play enough snaps to really take advantage of it. He's like our 5th receiver.. The rest of the guys forget to block to the whistle more often than not. If Gallup had stayed with his man a tick longer on Zeke's nice cutback run against Cincy that thing is going to the house. By letting the guy go it forced Zeke to have to try and get past that guy while outrunning the pursuit. But on the flip side if Zeke sets off on a 70 yard run it's a pretty good bet he might have blown that calf out completely.. or pulled the hammie again..
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I agree, they're not blocking well past the edges. It's been like that the entire season.
 
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I would hope we are not back to resorting to Garrett regime with frequently blocking DEs with our TEs.
we may see the viewing scene differently as I don't see Blake Bell falling off blocks or totally whiffing defenders as Dalton did.

i don't think Bell is dominant, he's not even like ex-Cowboys James Harris (sp) as he may be more in that Geoff Swaim type in line blocker, just adequate enough at it to get you by,
Not having the seal block on the edge off tackle plays is a huge role for the OT and the TE, in having a better chance of splash plays (ala Pollard's 44 yd TD vs vikes)

It deserves some stay attention to next year when Jarwin returns, to see if Moore oust the blocking Bell in favor of the more pass catching Schultz in the occasional 2 TE sets..
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Some of it is good defensive game planning by the opponents. They know our tackles and tight ends have bad feet so they line up very wide so as to create a speed mismatch .. That way they don't allow the double team to get them and they get to use their athleticism to get around whomever we have line up outside whether it's a tackle of a tight end. It doesn't really matter.. all the ones we have left are bad at blocking. You made me smile bringing up James Hanna (not Harris) .. dude came into the league as strictly a speedy pass catching TE but made himself into one of the best blocking TEs in the league. Dude ran like mid 4.5 and might have been killin it if he was playing on a team that did NOT have Jason Witten on it. Until that knee surgery anyway. But you have to admire a guy who put up the numbers he did as a pass catcher in college to be unselfish enough to carve out a role for himself doing something he never did in college. Marty B. was also a great blocker.. but too much of a head case to keep around.. Escobar was never good for much of anything except catching TDs in the red zone. 4 TDs on 9 receptions in 2014. LOL!
 

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Tony Pollard with 18 touches for 132 yards. 7.3 yards per touch.

For the year,
Zeke 4.4 yards per touch
Pollard 5.2 yards per touch

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Next up for the Zeke lovers/reality deniers: receiving yards shouldnt count for a RB. not fair to our boy Zeke.
 
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This thread didn't age well. I give Zeke his due, but when's the last time he took one to the house? Trade him PLEASE. We aren't getting enough return on that contract period.
 
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RonnieT24 said:
Call it what you wish.. but it has been a helluva lot more than one game that we've gotten less than 3.5 ypc from Pollard when he's supposed to be the explosive, come in and spark guy. Zeke's job is to be the workhorse and move the chains. Pollard's job is to come in and provide splash plays and some juice. Zeke has done his job with greater regularity than Pollard has. Period. And he has done so while coming into every game as the #1 target of every defense he faces. Meanwhile Pollard is probably #20 to most of the defenses he faces. They probably don't even know his name.. The purpose of the thread was to highlight the repeated hypocrisy employed by people who hate Zeke when they are pumping up Pollard. Pollard had a couple of good games and they were screaming loudly how he should be the man.. He has disappeared in the last two games and so have they.. I wanted to see if they could summon that same energy to defend a guy who averaged 1.3 ypc on his first 7 carries Tuesday night.. I wanted to see if they still wanted to see him replace Zeke with that stellar production. I think I have my answer..
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"CowboyRoy looks like you were right about Zeke and Pollard and I was wrong. Sorry for ever questioning you"

That should be your only reaction to the Niners game.

And yes, I accept your humble apology. Way to man up. :thumbup:
 
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