Tony Romo Has a 104.5 Passer Rating in Losses This Season

[mahoneybill]

You could.. but out of the 53 players, if I were to rank them in order from 1 to 53, with 1 being the biggest problem and 53 the least problem, Romo would be number 53. He is a great QB and we are lucky to have him. How about we get a good team around him and see what happens. Romo has to play a perfect game every week to give this sorry bunch of players and coaches even a chance to win, that is not fair to him. No QB is asked to do more than Romo. It is just silly to count Romo among the problems of this team.

Agree. He throws a game ending pick, but no one asks " why did the other team score 5 straight TD's " Tony is used as a convenient foil for all that
ails the Cowboys

 

[85Cowboy85]

Here's a better on for you:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2013/quarterbacks-game-winning-drive-study
This was written by Scott Kacsmar. Look what he says about our guy Romo concerning cane winning drives:
Is there anything more I can write about Romo's close wins? Well, there are some bad signs here for him. He's had the third-best field position and ninth-smallest deficit. Passing stats look good, but he's 20th in yards and 19th in points per drive. That's very poor. He's fourth in field goal rate. He's 18th in WP and has the single-easiest GWD of the 416 studied.

Kacsmar has exactly the opposite opinion of you on Romo. He's the one who wrote this:

Nfl Myth Busting Tony Romo and the Dallas Cowboys are America's Chokers
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.co...he-dallas-cowboys-are-americas-chokers/23434/

In your piece he cites only the length of the game winning drives and the points he scored on them. In other words these are all drives that already won games. It doesn't tell you anything about the success rate of leading such drives.

Also some of his statistics are misleading because if the defense doesn't hold the lead then they don't get the statistic. In other words if the defense holds when Romo throws his first pick he actually gets a GWD for the Bryant TD. There is in infamous game this year where New England played the Saints and I think Brady turned it over twice within the last 5 minutes before winning the game. Brady gets both a 4QC and a GWD for that.

This is why it's better to look at his general production level in late and close situations. It will tell you how many times he turned the ball over and how many TDs he scored while not punishing for poor defensive play. As has been discussed in previous threads the numbers are favorable.

 

[85Cowboy85]

If you sell 800 widgets, but you blow the big Peterman account, your boss is most likely still going to be left with a less than fantastic view of your overall body of work.

It depends how much the Peterman account is worth. All TDs are worth 7 points no matter when they are scored.

I would suggest his overall worth is a still going to be a product of how many widgets were sold and not when he sold them.

 

[mahoneybill]

This should earn an affectionate Percy Howard head noogie.

There are three types of Romo detractors.

1) Frustrated Cowboys fans. Romo's the face of the team. Just do it, Romo. Unleash all our talent. GO COWBOYS!!

2) The lazy. They don't want to put in any effort to see the real issues. The Cowboys lost Sunday? Isn't Romo their QB? Man, he sucks.

3) Cowboys haters. They're not interested in what's right or fair. Romo has star. Romo bad.

I watched him throw two picks Sunday in the closing minutes and it didn't change my opinion of him in the slightest. He's not a perfect QB. He has his share of bad games. Even bad stretches of games at times. But he's consistently been one of the most productive QBs in the league since he took the job. Despite all that's working against him. The single hardest place to win in the entire NFL. He brought a knife to a gun fight his entire career.

Well stated, an in many cases that " knife" was made of rubber

 

[khiladi]

I am going to start using this argument in other facts of life.

Yes honey, the scale says I gained 10 pounds from drinking beer and eating crappy food during football season, but my eye test shows no real changes in my weight.

Well Boss-man, the commission report shows I only sold 10 widgets this quarter, but the eye test shows I killed it out there.

Problem is, passer rating doesn't correlate to winning which is the point. Selling 10 widgets correlates to profit or no profit.

People tend to forget that measurables like passer rating are a subjective rating of a QBs play. It doesn't necessarily dictate outcome.

 

[windward]

You still didn't answer my question.

Probably because neither Parcells nor Landry have EVER shunned a "stat machine QB" like you said they did. You made it up to fit an agenda.

Excellent decision makers like Vinny Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe, man. Can't you see his point?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

It depends how much the Peterman account is worth. All TDs are worth 7 points no matter when they are scored.

I would suggest his overall worth is a still going to be a product of how many widgets were sold and not when he sold them.

The Peterman account was big.. the company was depending on it to boost their 4th quarter numbers... and you blew it.

Think that will affect the boss' view of the rest of your work throughout the year?

 

[Nation]

Problem is, passer rating doesn't correlate to winning which is the point. Selling 10 widgets correlates to profit or no profit.

People tend to forget that measurables like passer rating are a subjective rating of a QBs play. It doesn't necessarily dictate outcome.

Net passer rating has the highest correlation of any stat to winning in both the regular season and the playoffs

 

[Shunpike]

Wow. Interesting stat. I sure wasn't expecting it. Romo is a good player. An above average one indeed. He didn't get a chance to work with a legitimate coach like Bellichick or Payton.

Put Brees in Cowboys and put Romo in Dallas.

I think Saints would still win the SB that year.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Wow. Interesting stat. I sure wasn't expecting it. Romo is a good player. An above average one indeed. He didn't get a chance to work with a legitimate coach like Bellichick or Payton.

Put Brees in Cowboys and put Romo in Dallas.

I think Saints would still win the SB that year.

Put Brees in Dallas and i think the Cowboys would have a better chance of winning the Super Bowl every year.

 

[85Cowboy85]

Problem is, passer rating doesn't correlate to winning which is the point. Selling 10 widgets correlates to profit or no profit.

People tend to forget that measurables like passer rating are a subjective rating of a QBs play. It doesn't necessarily dictate outcome.

It has a huge correlation with winning. The passer rating differential between two teams decides the outcome 80-90% of the time.

This along with the fact that all the major components are known to be repeatable skills and not the result of luck (yards per attempt, completion percentage, TD percentage, INT percentage) is why it has value.

 

[iceberg]

Mind numbing stuff.

And it goes to show that no matter how good you are, when you make a huge mistake that essentially costs the team a game, the good is not remembered, just the bad.

or when your defense refuses to allow you to keep a lead, so you've got to go out and get it again, and again and again...

sooner or later you won't get it back in time for the defense not to give it back so quickly.

yet, it's romo.

 

[Coy]

Put Brees in Dallas and i think the Cowboys would have a better chance of winning the Super Bowl every year.

Of course they would, Romo is not as good as Brees ( I don´t know if someone was saying he is) but then again put Romo on the Giants, Steelers or Ravens and he probably has two rings, he is a very good QB who gets the treatment of a bad one.

 

[Shunpike]

Put Brees in Dallas and i think the Cowboys would have a better chance of winning the Super Bowl every year.

Why did Brees have a losing season last year without Payton?

 

[Nav22]

Hey, have it your way. I mean, you don't agree, that's cool but I will point out that Coach Landry could have drafted Marino but we didn't. We took Jim Jeffcoat instead. We could have drafted Favre as well but we didn't. we drafted 3 players ahead of him.

I think the fact that they coached the game the way they did is proof enough but if you feel differently, that's fine. I'm not going to waste a lot of time on a silly argument with you. You don't agree. The world is big enough for that.

Yeah, and none of the coaches who passed on Tom Brady regret it. They passed on Brady because they didn't like the type of QB he was.

After all, they could have drafted him in the first 5 rounds if they wanted a QB like that!

 

[Animosity]

Of course they would, Romo is not as good as Brees ( I don´t know if someone was saying he is) but then again put Romo on the Giants, Steelers or Ravens and he probably has two rings, he is a very good QB who gets the treatment of a bad one.

What in the world has Romo shown in the past 8 years that he is capable of winning not one, but TWO rings? Romo is a choke artist. He can't handle the pressure. You tell me Romo would have thrown 11 TDs and 0 interceptions in the post season like Joe Flacco? LOL. It's all speculation since he CANT EVEN MAKE THE POST SEASON. This bum is overrated and overpaid. Brees, Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Flacco... these guys are worth that money.

Romo is not.

 

[85Cowboy85]

The Peterman account was big.. the company was depending on it to boost their 4th quarter numbers... and you blew it.

Think that will affect the boss' view of the rest of your work throughout the year?

Of course it's going to affect the view. You would rather have the account then not have it. Nobody is disputing that.

That said the overall value of the employee is going to be decided by the overall revenue he generates and not just the one account.

If he's producing a well above average profit margin even with blowing the account it's likely the employer will still view him/her as a well above average employee.

 

[Coy]

What in the world has Romo shown in the past 8 years that he is capable of winning not one, but TWO rings? Romo is a choke artist. He can't handle the pressure. You tell me Romo would have thrown 11 TDs and 0 interceptions in the post season like Joe Flacco? LOL. It's all speculation since he CANT EVEN MAKE THE POST SEASON. This bum is overrated and overpaid. Brees, Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Flacco... these guys are worth that money.

Romo is not.

Ok, let´s discuss, so basically you are saying that Flacco, Eli And Ben would have two rings if they were playing in Dallas for the past 8 years??

My post is obvious, put Romo on one of those teams, which by the way were much better teams than the Cowboys and with much much much much much much better coaches and chances are he would have rings, of course it´s all speculation but at least he would be playing for the championship year in and year out so he´d have a much better chance to have one.

 

[Coy]

We could have just signed Peyton a couple years ago if we were smart..

That I totally agree with.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Put Brees in Dallas and i think the Cowboys would have a better chance of winning the Super Bowl every year.

He can play defense better than Romo? Oh wait........