Tony Romo Has a 104.5 Passer Rating in Losses This Season

[khiladi]

Look at the passer rating the team allowed in those losses and get back to me.

They've allowed a passer rating of 118.1 in those losses. That's ridiculously bad.

No, it does not decide the outcome, score does. And I can also point out the Buffalo Bills game, where Tony Romo threw 5 INTs and was more horrible than the ther QB the majority of the game, but they still won irrespective of passer rating.

And again, I agree BETTER QB rating normaly does reflect better wins, because it takes into account things like throwing TDs and yardage and the ball is in the hands of te QB the majority of the time, but that doesn't change my point in one bit.

 

[85Cowboy85]

No, it does not decide the outcome, score does. And I can also point out the Buffalo Bills game, where Tony Romo threw 5 INTs and was more horrible than the ther QB the majority of the game, but they still won irrespective of passer rating.

And again, I agree BETTER QB rating normaly does reflect better wins, because it takes into account things like throwing TDs and yardage and the ball is in the hands of te QB the majority of the time, but that doesn't change my point in one bit.

Fair enough. It is possible although unlikely to win the passer rating differential and lose the point differential at the end of the game.

Your initial statement was that it "does not correlate" which is what I took issue with. "Does not correlate" and "Does not absolutely decide" are two different things.

That said if that passer rating allowed number falls I can almost guarantee you we will win games. The fact that we allow roughly how much we have put up is the big reason we have been 8-8 the past three years.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Tony Romo's choke artist label is absolutely a creation of the media and its propagandized repetition. Put him on another team and his mistakes would hardly be as negatively emphasized. After all, he has 21 fourth quarter QB comebacks. In fact, it would probably be the opposite situation. Put him with better coaching and we wouldn't be having this discussion. One more year of Parcells probably would have gone a long way to never creating such an image. The whole thing didn't even start on a QB play, but a field goal hold.

 

[rangers71]

So if Tony is the problem and we really need a new qb lets take a look at the qb's who hae thrown less interceptions than him.
Alex Smith, Russell Wilson, Kaepernick, Foles, Glennon, Rogers, Mccown, Keenum, Campbell, Cassell, Clemens, and Locker. Wow what an impressive list that is. with the exception of Smith, Wilson, Kaepernick(these three guys have badass teams period), and Mccown(who is the backup) all of those guys play on crappy teams. Foles and the Eagles are just like us so that is a wash. Now then give me one of those guys you would rather have than Romo as the QB. Do you honestly think that if we substitiuted Jake Locker for Romo that we would finish the season at 11-5 or 12-4? Not a chance.

 

[sacowboysfan513]

Is Romo a problem? Sure he is, but honestly theres a problem everywhere on this team right now except for maybe 2 spots, Dez Bryant and Demarco Murrary (as long as hes healthy) oh and Dan Bailey.

But is Romo our #1 problem? Above the mediocrity of the defense, above the questionable play calling by both the offense and defensive coaches, above the head coach who can't take control of his qb and make sure he makes the correct play call?

I would say no, there are a lot of other things to fix before fixing the qb position.

And of course the last question would be, if everything else is fixed and we were to keep Romo, could he lead us to a Super Bowl win?

Honestly, I believe he would lead this team to a super bowl win. But the pieces have to fit, and I'm not sure if they ever will.

 

[Corso]

No offense, but it is just not worth my time. I have heard every single angle and stat out there that tries to make Tony something he is not. Do you know how many posters just like yourself have changed their tune and have admitted they were wrong about Romo right here on this forum? They told me I was football stupid, was a hater, didn't know what I was talking about, and on and on. We had very heated debates. Now, they have completely changed their tunes and agree with me 100%. Not because I convinced them, but because they saw for themselves. What makes you or your argument any different from theirs?

I have seen Tony with horrible defenses, I have seen him with decent defenses, and I have seen him with defenses slightly above average. He still finds a way to choke. As bad as his defense was against Washington in 2012, they still put him in a position to win and what does he do? Throws his 3rd pick of the game(all of them were his fault). What you need to understand is Romo is "PART" of the problem here irregardless of the coaching staff, the owner, or the defense. He plays a role in our team being mediocre and just doesn't have the ability to play solid football in the post season or even in elimination games. It's not his fault either, he just is what he is.

People that make him out to be an elite QB are the ones that create the myth that he is better than he is and prop him up to a level in which he is not capable of playing/achieving. In the NFL today, if you don't have a QB that can play solid/be counted on in the playoffs, you are doomed. Defenses these days are simply not good enough to make up for the mistakes of a QB throughout the post season and in the super bowl. As good as Chicago was in 2006, their achilles heel was the QB Grossman.. and they lost the super bowl. As good as SF was 2 years ago, Alex Smith was their weak link. (Solid coaching, best defense in the NFL, but an average to slightly above average QB) and you saw the result in the championship game(if you watched it). You have to go all the way back to 2000 to find a defense that was so good it carried it's inept QB to the super bowl and won it.

Tony Romo is a true Cinderella story. Undrafted free agent that put up ridiculous stats and was a true diamond in the rough. On top of that he is a tremendous person. I get the love affair some fans have with him, I too felt the same way between 2006-2009, so I'm not knocking you. I simply just believe you have not seen the light yet and that is the only difference between you and I.

For now, you and I, and a few others on this forum will just have to agree to disagree. The good news is, it is highly likely we won't always disagree.

No offense taken- I didn't write the post you refused to read.

You sure got wordy on me though... Good show!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yeah, and none of the coaches who passed on Tom Brady regret it. They passed on Brady because they didn't like the type of QB he was.

After all, they could have drafted him in the first 5 rounds if they wanted a QB like that!

I see you are 28, is that correct? Well, perhaps you don't know. Brady was drafted in 2000 , which means that Coach Landry had coached his last game in the NFL (I think you might have been 3 years old) approximately 12 years before Brady was even an option. I think we can move on as to why Coach Landry never drafted Brady.

In 1999, Bill Parcells retired from football so again, would have been very hard for him to have made the decision to draft Brady as well.

Honestly, I am not sure what you are trying to prove here. You don't agree, that's fine. It's a free country. Let it go.

 

[ufcrules1]

I did


No offense taken- I didn't write the post you refused to read.

You sure got wordy on me though... Good show!

Fair enough, but if you wanted me to read his whole post and also threw out an insult to me, I can only assume you agreed with his post 100% right? Is getting wordy a good thing or not? I'm not sure on that?

 

[TwoDeep3]

I know everything's not about stats but man, Romo has played very well on the games we´ve lost this year, yes he was bad this past sunday but it's ridiculous the amount of heat this guy gets as a choker, loser, not clutch.

Tony Romo is again in crosshairs for his late interceptions against the Packers. Here’s an interesting note from Mike Nyberg. Tony Romo has a 104.5 passer rating in losses for the Cowboys this year. Here is Nyberg’s chart showing the passer rating for other notable quarterbacks in losses.



To put that in perspective, six players have a higher passer rating in all games than Romo does in losses.

http://thebiglead.com/2013/12/17/tony-romo-has-a-104-5-passer-rating-in-losses-this-season/

All this does is reinforce the point I make that stats are subjective when used on this or any board. They can say one thing but the results are completely different.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Hahahahahaha.

Tell me... which "stat machine QBs" did Parcells or Landry shun in favor of "excellent decision-makers"?

Must be one hell of a list!

Roger Staubach for Craig Morton.

Anything else you need to know?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Phil Simms was a #7 overall pick who was drafted before Parcells even got there.

Stop this.

Out of Moorehead State but no, he was not drafted before Parcells. In fact, Parcells was with the Giants in 1979.

But I agree, you should stop this.

 

[ufcrules1]

Is Romo a problem? Sure he is, but honestly theres a problem everywhere on this team right now except for maybe 2 spots, Dez Bryant and Demarco Murrary (as long as hes healthy) oh and Dan Bailey.

But is Romo our #1 problem? Above the mediocrity of the defense, above the questionable play calling by both the offense and defensive coaches, above the head coach who can't take control of his qb and make sure he makes the correct play call?

I would say no, there are a lot of other things to fix before fixing the qb position.

And of course the last question would be, if everything else is fixed and we were to keep Romo, could he lead us to a Super Bowl win?

Honestly, I believe he would lead this team to a super bowl win. But the pieces have to fit, and I'm not sure if they ever will.

So, as I was reading this post, I was really on the same page with you until the bottom of it. Is Romo our #1 problem? Hell no he isn't! Does anyone think he is? Not that I know of. I think the general consensus is Jerry Jones is the #1 problem, followed by the coaching staff, and then defense. I never see anyone point all the blame to Tony. With all that said, I agree with you that Romo is "A" problem here and that is not because he doesn't have enough support around him.

Also, at the end of your post, you say you feel if Romo had the right pieces around him he could lead us to a super bowl. I couldn't possibly disagree more with you. He has shown nothing at all, actually quite the contrary that he could lead this team to a super bowl.

 

[Nation]

So, as I was reading this post, I was really on the same page with you until the bottom of it. Is Romo our #1 problem? Hell no he isn't! Does anyone think he is? Not that I know of. I think the general consensus is Jerry Jones is the #1 problem, followed by the coaching staff, and then defense. I never see anyone point all the blame to Tony. With all that said, I agree with you that Romo is "A" problem here and that is not because he doesn't have enough support around him.

Also, at the end of your post, you say you feel if Romo had the right pieces around him he could lead us to a super bowl. I couldn't possibly disagree more with you. He has shown nothing at all, actually quite the contrary that he could lead this team to a super bowl.

The 2012 Ravens defense averaged 22 points allowed in the playoffs with a 72.4 defensive passer rating and had 9 sacks.

The 2011 Giants defense averaged 14 points allowed in the playoffs with a 83.1 defensive passer rating and had 11 sacks.

The 2010 Packers averaged 19 points allowed in the playoffs with a 67.8 defensive passer rating and had 11 sacks.

He's never had a defense anywhere close to that in terms of being able to handle top-tier NFL quarterbacks, and that includes the 2009 and 2007 teams that were absolutely torched by Favre and Eli.

 

[KJJ]

Caught the tale end of this yesterday but NFLN said something to the effect that Romo's passer rating in the first 10 minutes of the 4th quarter is one of the best if not the best of any QB in the league and it's one of the worst if not the worst of any QB in the league in the final 5 minutes of the 4th quarter in tight games.

 

[KJJ]

Romo isn't our biggest problem. But I wouldn't go as far to say that he's the least of our problems.

Listening to the stats NFLN brought up yesterday it's the final 5 minutes of the 4th quarter of tight games where Romo becomes a problem. Wish I would have recorded NFL Total Access and jotted down all the numbers they mentioned comparing Romo's first 10 minutes of the 4th quarter with his final 5 minutes of the 4th quarter they were night and day.

 

[Corso]

Fair enough, but if you wanted me to read his whole post and also threw out an insult to me, I can only assume you agreed with his post 100% right? Is getting wordy a good thing or not? I'm not sure on that?

Ah- I was being light-hearted with the comment and I see how that would be construed as an insult.
My apologies for that.

As for my agreeing with his post?
He made a good point about pass-defense rating correlating to wins no matter who the QB was.
I agree with that.

Wordy's a good thing in my book. Whether we agree on Romo or not is irrelevant- you bring good arguments on many topics.
I enjoy reading them. Being wordy sometimes means bringing better context and clearer points to a debate unlike one-liners and zingers.

 

[KJJ]

Romo is the least of our problems.

He becomes one of the problems in Dec/Jan when games are on the line. If he was clutch in the final 5 minutes of tight games and wouldn't keep throwing game ending int's the Cowboys could overcome their biggest problems which are on defense and Garrett's continued inability to manage games.

 

[Sarge]

He becomes one of the problems in Dec/Jan when games are on the line. If he was clutch in the final 5 minutes of tight games and wouldn't keep throwing game ending int's the Cowboys could overcome their biggest problems which is defense and Garrett's continued inability to manage games.

I didn't say he wasn't a problem. I merely indicated there were other very large fish that need frying before pointing the finger at Romo.

 

[ufcrules1]

Ah- I was being light-hearted with the comment and I see how that would be construed as an insult.
My apologies for that.

As for my agreeing with his post?
He made a good point about pass-defense rating correlating to wins no matter who the QB was.
I agree with that.

Wordy's a good thing in my book. Whether we agree on Romo or not is irrelevant- you bring good arguments on many topics.
I enjoy reading them. Being wordy sometimes means bringing better context and clearer points to a debate unlike one-liners and zingers.

Ok, cool. I hope I didn't insult you either with my opinion. I wasn't trying to do so. I'm just to the point now where I have heard it all, I have seen stats abused a million different ways to prove a point that simply is not provable with stats alone. I have watched Romo long enough to know what he is and what he isn't. On top of that, the dude is at the end of his career and declining too. Did you see all the mis throws against the Packers? Be honest! He underthrew Dez at least 4 times on long passes, and overthrew him when he was wide open heading into the end zone. I don't expect him to be perfect but man, you have to make some of those throws when you are being paid the same as the elite QB's and are being afforded the time to throw by your Oline. I'm not even going to go into the interception/poor decision making that cost us the game.

 

[Corso]

Ok, cool. I hope I didn't insult you either with my opinion. I wasn't trying to do so. I'm just to the point now where I have heard it all, I have seen stats abused a million different ways to prove a point that simply is not provable with stats alone. I have watched Romo long enough to know what he is and what he isn't. On top of that, the dude is at the end of his career and declining too. Did you see all the mis throws against the Packers? Be honest! He underthrew Dez at least 4 times on long passes, and overthrew him when he was wide open heading into the end zone. I don't expect him to be perfect but man, you have to make some of those throws when you are being paid the same as the elite QB's and are being afforded the time to throw by your Oline. I'm not even going to go into the interception/poor decision making that cost us the game.

Honestly- I've been on board with you for some time on this.
He has obvious talent, and he is a good Quarterback, but he is a very flawed QB.
Consistent accuracy and brain-farts being at the top of the list.

And yes, I did see him miss Dez and others all day. The INT that went to Miles was a piss-poor throw.
He's been doing this every week.