Tony Romo, Wed night and Premature Emasculation

[Vinnie2u]

I've been a romo fan for a while. But like Jerry he gets a free pass with some fans. You can't say anything bad about them without someone telling us how good they are. I wouldn't trade them for anybody. But they are to blame for certain things.

 

[ufcrules1]

I like your style.

He who makes the last mistake is to blame.

Nevermind the in between. Whoever screws up last is at fault.

lol... yup. Denial is an ugly thing for some people.

 

[aikemirv]

lol... yup. Denial is an ugly thing for some people.

Still waiting for that address - I will do my best to find the shot to stick in your ribs!

 

[aikemirv]

Uhhh, no.

We lost the Jets game we had in the bag because Romo fumbled when we would have came away with at least a field goal go up by 10 and greatly reduce the odds the Jets had at winning. It was a stupid play and he should have known better.

We lost the Lions game again, due to Romo.

The defense wasn't good last year, but at the very least I can deal with lack of talent and competence over a QB who doesn't understand basic situational football.

After the Lions game, I thought Romo played fine, but we should have been 10-6 last year on those 2 games alone.

If Romo is so good like his blind supporters say he is, then he doesn't need excuses and certainly doesn't need pre-game excuses.






YR

Is this fine?

24 TD's and 5 Ints over a 12 game stretch

247-370 2911 Yrds

Or is that Excellent?

He put together drives in the last minute to beat or tie Arizona and NYG only to miss FG's. Are you giving him credit for those Wins?

 

[ufcrules1]

Is this fine?

24 TD's and 5 Ints over a 12 game stretch

247-370 2911 Yrds

Or is that Excellent?

He put together drives in the last minute to beat or tie Arizona and NYG only to miss FG's. Are you giving him credit for those Wins?

The Arizona game? No, not at all.. we shouldn't have been in the situation we were at the end of that game. We were the much better team and our offense should have scored more to begin with. Romo did not have a good game against Arizona.

The first Giants game Romo tore it up, our loss has nothing to do with him.

Romo lost the Jets and Lions games for us and JG has no confidence in him in the Patriots game (Because of his meltdown in the Lions game) and took the ball out of his hands and handed it off 3 times and then punt to Brady.

Pretty sad when your coach doesn't have confidence in you.

All this stuff happened last year.. we are 0-0 now though and it's a new year. We will be much better this year and hopefully win our division.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Is this fine?

24 TD's and 5 Ints over a 12 game stretch

247-370 2911 Yrds

Or is that Excellent?

He put together drives in the last minute to beat or tie Arizona and NYG only to miss FG's. Are you giving him credit for those Wins?

1. Put it into context of a league that was by and large tearing up the defenses in the passing game due to the lockout. To me, 'excellent' would be the way Eli played down the stretch or how Brees played for the rest of the year. I tend to agree with PFF's viewpoint of Romo doing a good job of protecting the ball, but he wasn't finding the open targets for huge gains like he did in the previous seasons.

2. Romo doesn't make it exactly O-Line friendly when he's playing out there. He takes forever to snap the ball because he's more worried about hoping the defense will jump into their shells. Meanwhile the defense can time the snap much better than the O-Line.

Personally, I'm happy if he would play more like he did down the stretch of last year instead of the ups and downs of a great game followed by horrific blunders to cost the team the game they should have had in the bag.

But the point being, if he's so great he doesn't need silly excuses, particularly ones being made before a game start. It wreaks of the OP knowing that deep down, Romo can screw up badly at any time.






YR

 

[burmafrd]

The Arizona game? No, not at all.. we shouldn't have been in the situation we were at the end of that game. We were the much better team and our offense should have scored more to begin with. Romo did not have a good game against Arizona.

The first Giants game Romo tore it up, our loss has nothing to do with him.

Romo lost the Jets and Lions games for us and JG has no confidence in him in the Patriots game (Because of his meltdown in the Lions game) and took the ball out of his hands and handed it off 3 times and then punt to Brady.

Pretty sad when your coach doesn't have confidence in you.

All this stuff happened last year.. we are 0-0 now though and it's a new year. We will be much better this year and hopefully win our division.

even after the second Pick 6 we still had a 10 pt lead in the Lions game.

You trying to blame it all on Romo is just you. No one with any real knowledge of football would agree

 

[aikemirv]

The Arizona game? No, not at all.. we shouldn't have been in the situation we were at the end of that game. We were the much better team and our offense should have scored more to begin with. Romo did not have a good game against Arizona.

The first Giants game Romo tore it up, our loss has nothing to do with him.

Romo lost the Jets and Lions games for us and JG has no confidence in him in the Patriots game (Because of his meltdown in the Lions game) and took the ball out of his hands and handed it off 3 times and then punt to Brady.

Pretty sad when your coach doesn't have confidence in you.

All this stuff happened last year.. we are 0-0 now though and it's a new year. We will be much better this year and hopefully win our division.

Meltdown - what was your address again?! - I want to see if you meltdown and are good to go after that second shot

 

[aikemirv]

The Arizona game? No, not at all.. we shouldn't have been in the situation we were at the end of that game. We were the much better team and our offense should have scored more to begin with. Romo did not have a good game against Arizona.

The first Giants game Romo tore it up, our loss has nothing to do with him.

Romo lost the Jets and Lions games for us and JG has no confidence in him in the Patriots game (Because of his meltdown in the Lions game) and took the ball out of his hands and handed it off 3 times and then punt to Brady.

Pretty sad when your coach doesn't have confidence in you.

All this stuff happened last year.. we are 0-0 now though and it's a new year. We will be much better this year and hopefully win our division.

If you are going to judge Romo on specific plays that "cost" the team the game,no matter how he played the rest of the game, then you have to give him credit for specific plays/drives that gave the team the opportunity to win the game no matter how he played the rest of the game - especially in the last minute of the game!

 

[DanteEXT]

The Arizona game? No, not at all.. we shouldn't have been in the situation we were at the end of that game. We were the much better team and our offense should have scored more to begin with. Romo did not have a good game against Arizona.

The first Giants game Romo tore it up, our loss has nothing to do with him.

Romo lost the Jets and Lions games for us and JG has no confidence in him in the Patriots game (Because of his meltdown in the Lions game) and took the ball out of his hands and handed it off 3 times and then punt to Brady.

Pretty sad when your coach doesn't have confidence in you.

All this stuff happened last year.. we are 0-0 now though and it's a new year. We will be much better this year and hopefully win our division.

I still don't get the whole idea that just because he handed the ball off shows no confidence. If he had no confidence, why did they pass the ball almost every play the previous possesion when they took the lead?

Seems to me, they were purposely trying to keep it on the ground (at least for the first 2 plays) to burn clock and NE TO's. But once it hit 3 and 18, punt and hope your defense can force another 3 and out like the had just done.

 

[aikemirv]

1. Put it into context of a league that was by and large tearing up the defenses in the passing game due to the lockout. To me, 'excellent' would be the way Eli played down the stretch or how Brees played for the rest of the year. I tend to agree with PFF's viewpoint of Romo doing a good job of protecting the ball, but he wasn't finding the open targets for huge gains like he did in the previous seasons.

2. Romo doesn't make it exactly O-Line friendly when he's playing out there. He takes forever to snap the ball because he's more worried about hoping the defense will jump into their shells. Meanwhile the defense can time the snap much better than the O-Line.

Personally, I'm happy if he would play more like he did down the stretch of last year instead of the ups and downs of a great game followed by horrific blunders to cost the team the game they should have had in the bag.

But the point being, if he's so great he doesn't need silly excuses, particularly ones being made before a game start. It wreaks of the OP knowing that deep down, Romo can screw up badly at any time.






YR

You mean this Eli down the stretch?
Week 14-16, 2011 - 59/114 3 tds and 5 ints

That one?

They did not win because of Eli!

 

[Hoofbite]

Hoofbite...you are completely missing the spectrum of circumstances that a quarterback faces.

Let me paint you a specific situation. The Cowboys are down 10-0, early second quarter. The team only has two first downs and the Giant defense has dominated the line of scrimmage both in the run-game and the pass-game.

It's third down. Romo knows if they are going to move the ball, and not fall even further behind he's going to have to release a pass a half-second earlier than he would like. Miles hasn't cleared the safety but it looks like he probably will. Romo throws a tick early to avoid the hit, projecting where to hit Austin in stride.

And just as that pass is released...Austin gets slightly tangled up with the defender... Yeah...and you can guess what happens next.

Let me paint you another situation.

Romo throws the ball, an alien space ship comes down and knocks the ball right into the hands of a Giants defender.

We could hypothetical all day. If Romo throws 2-3 picks as your original post suggested, odds are he's gonna be at fault for 1 or 2.

 

[aikemirv]

I don't think OLine issues are an excuse for an int at all. That is where the QB's commomn sense has to take over. I do think Oline issues will cause fumbles that are beyond the QB's control when Defensive players are coming from all directions.

Oline issues are an excuse for an overall bad game by a QB

 

[Hoofbite]

You mean this Eli down the stretch?
Week 14-16, 2011 - 59/114 3 tds and 5 ints

That one?

They did not win because of Eli!

Just a guess but "down the stretch" is likely including the playoff run when Eli was pretty much excellent.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

They did not win because of Eli!

You really believe that?






YR

 

[InmanRoshi]

Lord, I can't wait for this season to begin and officially end the 8 month endless Mythology of Eli and the Giants campaign.

Unfortunately he's not due one of his "once every three years" 20+ INT seasons until the season after this.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

If you are going to judge Romo on specific plays that "cost" the team the game,no matter how he played the rest of the game, then you have to give him credit for specific plays/drives that gave the team the opportunity to win the game no matter how he played the rest of the game - especially in the last minute of the game!

Who says we are not giving him credit?

I just dislike built in excuses for the guy as well. Even in '09 he threw a game away against the G-Men.

Your star QB is supposed to know situational football and that when you are in the situations we were in against the Jets and Lions last year, that the LAST thing you want to do is turn the ball over. He did not understand that last year until after the Lions game and he has a tendency at the very least to do it every year for 1-2 games.

It's not about poor play and having an off game as it is about throwing away the game where Romo and the rest of the team worked together to build the lead. If you are the star QB, who many people on this forum believe is an elite QB, a big part of your role is to be able to close the game out as well. Too many times Romo has coughed up the game and I honestly don't have anything to make me believe he won't do this again 1-2 times this year.

I am tired of the built in excuses for the guy. I am tired of seeing *Romo* screw up with a pre-snap read or not seeing an open receiver or snapping it every time with .000001 seconds on the play clock and the O-Line always getting the blame and Romo escaping the blame. He needs to do a better and quicker job with his pre-snap reads, get the entire offense in a good flow and throw the defense out of their rhythm. He needs to protect the ball when we absolutely must protect the football.

If he throws a pick like the 2nd INT in the Lions game, I don't blame him. It was Robinson's fault.

But what I get tired of seeing is something like I saw in the Tampa game where Miles was wide open, Romo missed him, then Romo backed up out of the pocket which a QB should never do, bumped into his O-Lineman, escaped some tacklers and then threw it Miles for a TD and everybody blamed the 'lousy O-Line' for Romo's mistakes.

As much as there are fans who are willing to blame Romo for anything, there are just as many fans who find no fault and have excuses for him as well. I just want the team to win and put the fault at the players who deserve blame for failure.





YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Lord, I can't wait for this season to begin and officially end the 8 month endless Mythology of Eli and the Giants campaign.

Unfortunately he's not due one of his "once every three years" 20+ INT seasons until the season after this.

Eli is a streaky QB who has the rare ability that when he's on his 'A Game', he can be on fire against any team and he can ride a hot streak at any time.

Here is the reality of the situation, Eli has had 2 seasons in his career where he got on a hot streak in the playoffs and his hot streak was so good that it played a massive part in the Giants winning 2 Super Bowls.

Furthermore, if Eli were on the Cowboys instead of the Giants and led the Cowboys to 2 Super Bowls, most of this board would gladly sing his praises and not look at Eli as a myth whatsoever.

He's not Elway or Montana or Brady, but that's a select handful of people in the world. Instead, he was good enough to win 2 Super Bowls which beats Romo's better QB rating any day.







YR

 

[aikemirv]

Who says we are not giving him credit?

I just dislike built in excuses for the guy as well. Even in '09 he threw a game away against the G-Men.

Your star QB is supposed to know situational football and that when you are in the situations we were in against the Jets and Lions last year, that the LAST thing you want to do is turn the ball over. He did not understand that last year until after the Lions game and he has a tendency at the very least to do it every year for 1-2 games.

It's not about poor play and having an off game as it is about throwing away the game where Romo and the rest of the team worked together to build the lead. If you are the star QB, who many people on this forum believe is an elite QB, a big part of your role is to be able to close the game out as well. Too many times Romo has coughed up the game and I honestly don't have anything to make me believe he won't do this again 1-2 times this year.

I am tired of the built in excuses for the guy. I am tired of seeing *Romo* screw up with a pre-snap read or not seeing an open receiver or snapping it every time with .000001 seconds on the play clock and the O-Line always getting the blame and Romo escaping the blame. He needs to do a better and quicker job with his pre-snap reads, get the entire offense in a good flow and throw the defense out of their rhythm. He needs to protect the ball when we absolutely must protect the football.

If he throws a pick like the 2nd INT in the Lions game, I don't blame him. It was Robinson's fault.

But what I get tired of seeing is something like I saw in the Tampa game where Miles was wide open, Romo missed him, then Romo backed up out of the pocket which a QB should never do, bumped into his O-Lineman, escaped some tacklers and then threw it Miles for a TD and everybody blamed the 'lousy O-Line' for Romo's mistakes.

As much as there are fans who are willing to blame Romo for anything, there are just as many fans who find no fault and have excuses for him as well. I just want the team to win and put the fault at the players who deserve blame for failure.





YR

I can point to every top QB and show you where they had multiple int games that cost thier team wins.

Detroit game is laughable! If you are holding him accountable for that game you have no credibility. There is a reason you are not supposed to drive while on narcotics!

 

[InmanRoshi]

Here is the reality of the situation, Eli has had 2 seasons in his career where he got on a hot streak in the playoffs and his hot streak was so good that it played a massive part in the Giants winning 2 Super Bowls.

The reality of the situation is the NFL only sport league in the world in which a team with a negative point differential that loses 25% of it's regular season contests CONSECUTIVELY can be considered the "best" in their sport. Championships are mostly decided in the NFL on pure, dumb luck and Randomness. Eli came a Miles Austin bad route away from being out of the Playoff Contention in Week 14. You'll have to forgive me for scoffing at Eli's supposed innate ability to "turn it on when it counts", considering December is his worst month split over his career with a barely mediocre 74.6 QBR.

I'll let the rest of your guys continue your Eli Mythology, and I'll sit back and laugh as people sit dumbfounded and slackjawed desperately searching for narratives as to why his backfoot heaves aren't working this December when he regresses back to the norm.