Tony vs Danny

[Ratmatt]

Danny White simply had the better talent around him.

 

[burmafrd]

Danny White simply had the better talent around him.

early on he certainly did; but by the mid 80's the talent was clearly disappearing. By then he was getting old and beat up as well.

Bum Bright refused to pay for good scouts or good assistant coaches; as Tom lost his good ones he was not able to get good ones to replace them.

 

[Alexander]

Danny White simply had the better talent around him.

A broad generalization that I believe is just false. Be specific and we can debate it.

 

[tyke1doe]

As Yoda would say, "Strong, the butthurt, is in this thread."

 

[joseephuss]

What if Danny doesn't fumble the ball against the 49ers? He still would have not been able to avoid the sack. Dallas would have lost yards and precious time on already dwindling clock. They would still need to gain more yards to put Septien in FG range, which was hardly a guaranteed make. Septien was an all-pro that year, but still only converted just over 77% of his field goals(he was 70.3% for his career). He was 50% on FGs over 40 yards that season. Candlestick Park was a bad field back then as well. The odds of Dallas winning that game were very slim once they gave up the Clark TD. It ended with the White fumble, but even if that doesn't happen they still would not have been in good position to win. Tough circumstances.

 

[Ratmatt]

A broad generalization that I believe is just false. Be specific and we can debate it.

From 1980 through 1985 Danny White no question had better talent around him.In 1986 the Cowboys were 6-2 and playing really well,when White broke his wrist in New York,they won 1 more game the rest of the year with Steve Pelluer.I'll give you 1987 and 1988,even though White only started about half the games in 1987,and wasn't even the starting QB at all in 1988.Danny White had the better defenses than Tony Romo.White never took the field with a defense as bad as Romo has had the last 2 years,and will probably have this year.Romo's best defense was in 2009.We can argue,but I believe for most of White's career he had the better offensive line,Donovan,Scott,Rafferty.were really good, though that could change,because Romo has the makings of a really good one now.His 1st 4 years as starter,White had a better group of receivers around him.Pearson,Hill,Johnson,and Cosbie,though Dez has more talent then all of them.White had the better running backs,not even close.White also had the better coaching,and front office management.Plus Romo never played on a team as talented as the1st 3 yrs White was a starter.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

early on he certainly did; but by the mid 80's the talent was clearly disappearing. By then he was getting old and beat up as well.

Bum Bright refused to pay for good scouts or good assistant coaches; as Tom lost his good ones he was not able to get good ones to replace them.

once dallas lost to the skins in the championship, you pretty much got the sense that the run was over.
and yes, danny and i both cried.

 

[DWhite Fan]

You and I could probably pull down a 180 pound receiver from behind with 2 fingers gripped to their shoulder pads. You can produce a lot of force and leverage from that position which is why so many players have gotten injured by that type of tackle. TO got yanked down like a rag doll when Roy Williams took him down injuring his ankle in the process. So you're blaming Pearson for not pulling away from that tackle? LOL Pearson wasn't a speed burner plus if you watch the play the defender was on Drew almost immediately after he caught the ball. Checkout the video it shows the play and it also shows White losing a fumble vs Philly in the conference title game a year earlier.

Leave it to you to completely miss my point...Laying it all on Drew is as asinine as blaming White for the loss...

 

[DWhite Fan]

Romo is far superior to White. It's not even close.

Wrong...

 

[KJJ]

Leave it to you to completely miss my point...Laying it all on Drew is as asinine as blaming White for the loss...

No one is laying it all on Drew and no one is blaming the loss entirely on White.

 

[DWhite Fan]

that was only his second choke job, the big ripping came after the next year when he totally blew it against the Commanders.

People talk more about the catch the fumble. If it were Romo, people would never have remembered the catch, just the fumble.

"Blew it against the Commanders?" Danny was out of the game before halftime with a concussion...Gary Hogeboom blew it...

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

"Blew it against the Commanders?" Danny was out of the game before halftime with a concussion...Gary Hogeboom blew it...

who fumbled away a TD?

 

[Redball Express]

White had more playoff success and he had the team in 3 straight conference championships not 4 straight. White wasn't the last QB under Landry it was Steve Pelluer.

Thanx for the corrections.

..listen..

I have to use the Cowboy Way Back Machine to Post here anymore..

Sometimes it makes mistakes..

hahahahaaa

 

[KJJ]

Thanx for the corrections.

..listen..

I have to use the Cowboy Way Back Machine to Post here anymore..

Sometimes it makes mistakes..

hahahahaaa

We all make mistakes here some fans can't even remember things from last season.

 

[silver]

From 1980 through 1985 Danny White no question had better talent around him.In 1986 the Cowboys were 6-2 and playing really well,when White broke his wrist in New York,they won 1 more game the rest of the year with Steve Pelluer.I'll give you 1987 and 1988,even though White only started about half the games in 1987,and wasn't even the starting QB at all in 1988.Danny White had the better defenses than Tony Romo.White never took the field with a defense as bad as Romo has had the last 2 years,and will probably have this year.Romo's best defense was in 2009.We can argue,but I believe for most of White's career he had the better offensive line,Donovan,Scott,Rafferty.were really good, though that could change,because Romo has the makings of a really good one now.His 1st 4 years as starter,White had a better group of receivers around him.Pearson,Hill,Johnson,and Cosbie,though Dez has more talent then all of them.White had the better running backs,not even close.White also had the better coaching,and front office management.Plus Romo never played on a team as talented as the1st 3 yrs White was a starter.

I agree. White's defense had the likes of Too Tall Jones, Randy White and Harvey Martin up front. If you rematch the 49ers Championship game they beat us with the catch, our front 4 was pressuring Montana all game long. Sure Romo had D Ware and Ratliff for most of his career, but as a unit Romo's defense has never been up to par with early 80's version.

 

[KJJ]

I agree. White's defense had the likes of Too Tall Jones, Randy White and Harvey Martin up front. If you rematch the 49ers Championship game they beat us with the catch, our front 4 was pressuring Montana all game long. Sure Romo had D Ware and Ratliff for most of his career, but as a unit Romo's defense has never been up to par with early 80's version.

Granted the Cowboys never had the collection of defensive talent under Romo they had under Danny White but the early 80's version of the Cowboys defense didn't have to deal with all the many rule changes that have opened up offenses and have handcuffed defenses. The many player safety rules have defenders thinking rather than reacting because a rule violation can result in a penalty and a suspension. QB's of today are protected like never before. You can't hit them high/low or a fraction late and the horse collar tackle on Drew Pearson that saved the game for the 49ers would be a penalty today. What beat the Cowboys in the 81 title game was a defensive scheme that was outdated. The Cowboys were playing for the pass on the 49ers final drive and the Niners kept crossing them up with the run. They had the Cowboys defense confused and on on their heels.

 

[silver]

Granted the Cowboys never had the collection of defensive talent under Romo they had under Danny White but the early 80's version of the Cowboys defense didn't have to deal with all the many rule changes that have opened up offenses and have handcuffed defenses. The many player safety rules have defenders thinking rather than reacting because a rule violation can result in a penalty and a suspension. QB's of today are protected like never before. You can't hit them high/low or a fraction late and the horse collar tackle on Drew Pearson that saved the game for the 49ers would be a penalty today. What beat the Cowboys in the 81 title game was a defensive scheme that was outdated. The Cowboys were playing for the pass on the 49ers final drive and the Niners kept crossing them up with the run. They had the Cowboys defense confused and on on their heels.

Not to mention they had Joe "Cool" Montana and we had "No Danny, No" White.

 

[joseephuss]

Granted the Cowboys never had the collection of defensive talent under Romo they had under Danny White but the early 80's version of the Cowboys defense didn't have to deal with all the many rule changes that have opened up offenses and have handcuffed defenses. The many player safety rules have defenders thinking rather than reacting because a rule violation can result in a penalty and a suspension. QB's of today are protected like never before. You can't hit them high/low or a fraction late and the horse collar tackle on Drew Pearson that saved the game for the 49ers would be a penalty today. What beat the Cowboys in the 81 title game was a defensive scheme that was outdated. The Cowboys were playing for the pass on the 49ers final drive and the Niners kept crossing them up with the run. They had the Cowboys defense confused and on on their heels.

If the 81 defensive scheme was so outdated then they would have never been in the NFCC game to begin with and then also follow it up by getting to the NFCC game again the following season.

 

[DWhite Fan]

From 1980 through 1985 Danny White no question had better talent around him.In 1986 the Cowboys were 6-2 and playing really well,when White broke his wrist in New York,they won 1 more game the rest of the year with Steve Pelluer.I'll give you 1987 and 1988,even though White only started about half the games in 1987,and wasn't even the starting QB at all in 1988.Danny White had the better defenses than Tony Romo.White never took the field with a defense as bad as Romo has had the last 2 years,and will probably have this year.Romo's best defense was in 2009.We can argue,but I believe for most of White's career he had the better offensive line,Donovan,Scott,Rafferty.were really good, though that could change,because Romo has the makings of a really good one now.His 1st 4 years as starter,White had a better group of receivers around him.Pearson,Hill,Johnson,and Cosbie,though Dez has more talent then all of them.White had the better running backs,not even close.White also had the better coaching,and front office management.Plus Romo never played on a team as talented as the1st 3 yrs White was a starter.

Yeah, real good line...Pat Donovan using the "look out!" blocking scheme...Notice that punk Manley going at Danny's head...class player there...

 

[DWhite Fan]

LOL! I have never seen Romo do this...