Tony vs Danny

[Doomsday101]

I don't recall him being ripped to shreds for that fumble. Romo to bewould have been said not clutch had that happened.

Danny took a lot of blame regardless if you recall it or not even his teammates and former teammates have made these comments.

 

[Plankton]

Romo may be more comparable to Don Meredith than Danny White because both had a 1-3 playoff record and Meredith was also known for some critical ill-timed turnovers in big games. Cowboy fans will never forget his game ending int in the end zone vs the Packers in the 66 title game. Meredith had a 3 int meltdown vs Cleveland in the 1968 playoffs.

The interception by Meredith wasn't his fault. The whole drive was a disaster.

- Jim Boeke false starts, pushing them back five yards.
- Pettis Norman slips near the end zone trying to catch a low pass, preventing an easy touchdown.
- Landry had the wrong personnel in the game for the final play, where he had Bob Hayes assigned to block Dave Robinson as Meredith rolled to his right. Hayes had never done this before. Robinson trucked him, and was on Meredith before he could set to throw. Meredith did the only thing that he could do on fourth down - throw the ball up for grabs. Tom Brown intercepted it, and Meredith wore the goat horns.

The Cleveland game was another story. One interception was on a deflected pass. The second was on a wrong route. Landry pulled Meredith in the third quarter while it was still a game. Meredith never got over that, and lost his passion for playing. He quit in camp in 1969 in large part because he was tired of it all.

 

[KJJ]

I agree Pearson was a great player for the Cowboys. On white pass your right he caught it and did not fumble it, it was a perfect strike

It was a perfect strike that could have easily been fumbled after being horse collared from behind.

 

[Alexander]

Rushing TD
White's Run Game 9th
Romo's Run Game 14th

Kind of hard to give Romo a pass on the run game when he could possibly audible out of more run plays than we know.

 

[5Stars]

I don't recall him being ripped to shreds for that fumble. Romo would have been said not to be clutch had that happened.

We did not have the internet during that time and idiots could not express their silliness about how football works.

 

[Doomsday101]

It was a perfect strike that could have easily been fumbled after being horse collared from behind.

I don't see many fumbles caused by horse collars, None the less he did not fumble and the point is? White did? yes the outside rusher came unblocked from his backside and caused the fumble. But again defense had the oppertunity to close the game out they knew it.

 

[5Stars]

Kind of hard to give Romo a pass on the run game when he could possibly audible out of more run plays than we know.

Hopefully, Romo will go down in the first game so we won't have to deal with that. Weeden probably can read the defense better that Romo ever could.

 

[Alexander]

I would gladly take lower passing numbers from Romo if it meant we had a more balanced attack.

If we were winning games and Romo was going 14-25, 150 yards and a 1 TD, people would assume something is wrong with him.

Most are conditioned to Romo piling up stats to the sky.

 

[KJJ]

The interception by Meredith wasn't his fault. The whole drive was a disaster.

- Jim Boeke false starts, pushing them back five yards.
- Pettis Norman slips near the end zone trying to catch a low pass, preventing an easy touchdown.
- Landry had the wrong personnel in the game for the final play, where he had Bob Hayes assigned to block Dave Robinson as Meredith rolled to his right. Hayes had never done this before. Robinson trucked him, and was on Meredith before he could set to throw. Meredith did the only thing that he could do on fourth down - throw the ball up for grabs. Tom Brown intercepted it, and Meredith wore the goat horns.

The Cleveland game was another story. One interception was on a deflected pass. The second was on a wrong route. Landry pulled Meredith in the third quarter while it was still a game. Meredith never got over that, and lost his passion for playing. He quit in camp in 1969 in large part because he was tired of it all.

You're right it wasn't Meredith's fault but naturally all anyone remembers is the int and not what created it. The fans were on Meredith which was a big reason he lost his passion for the game. In an interview he talked about the fans booing him and how hurt he was by it. The QB takes the brunt of the blame for losses and Meredith got tired of it.

 

[Plankton]

I don't recall him being ripped to shreds for that fumble. Romo would have been said not to be clutch had that happened.

White caught a ton of grief for the team losing three straight championship games. He did catch grief for fumbling on that play. He was great in that game up until that point, and played better than Montana overall in the game (Montana threw three picks, and had a fumble).

 

[KJJ]

I don't see many fumbles caused by horse collars, None the less he did not fumble and the point is? White did? yes the outside rusher came unblocked from his backside and caused the fumble. But again defense had the oppertunity to close the game out they knew it.

You may not see many fumbles caused by horse collars but not any. The point is Drew Pearson didn't help lose that game with a costly mistake. The defense had an opportunity to close the game out but there was still time left giving White and the offense an opportunity. There's no excuse for a QB fumbling take the sack but don't fumble.

 

[erod]

With the exception of 1984-85, White's offensive lines were solid.

White's offensive lines
(rushing TD rank)
1980 1st
1981 14th
1982 10th
1983 3rd
1985 23rd
1987 5th
Avg 9th

His defenses were even better.
White's defenses
(pass rating rank)
1980 7th
1981 1st
1982 8th
1983 16th
1985 4th
1987 10th
Avg 8th

Add in the fact that White was a pretty good QB, and it's no wonder that team was able to have some playoff success.

Hence, the three consecutive NFC championships. But it was still a team in decline compared to what Staubach had. Declines didn't happen as quickly because there wasn't a free agency system to pick your roster to pieces like now.

 

[DWhite Fan]

If a play broke down White reminded me of Bledsoe he couldn't avoid the rush and looked like he was nailed to the turf in the pocket. He had some excellent games possibly the best game White ever played was vs Atlanta in the playoffs during the 1980 season but never had his A-game in the title games. His TD to turnover ratio in his 3 title games was 2-3.

And what did Tony Dorsett do in those games? No "A" game for him either...

 

[Doomsday101]

You may not see many fumbles caused by horse collars but not any. The point is Drew Pearson didn't help lose that game with a costly mistake. The defense had an opportunity to close the game out but there was still time left giving White and the offense an opportunity. There's no excuse for a QB fumbling take the sack but don't fumble.

there is no excuse letting gthe DE come in untouched either. You like many others can blame White his teammates sure as hell didn't. Fans who look soley to the QB do

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

White had more playoff success and he had the team in 3 straight conference championships not 4 straight. White wasn't the last QB under Landry it was Steve Pelluer.

We try to forget him. lol

 

[DWhite Fan]

It was turnovers at the worst moment that have White and Romo compared so often but White was a better elimination game QB than Romo. White won 5 of his 10 elimination games leading the Cowboys to 3 consecutive NFC title games while Romo is 1-6. White had a TD to turnover ratio of 14-12 in his 10 elimination games compared to an 8-12 TD to turnover ratio for Romo in his 7 elimination games. White outplayed the great Joe Montana for 57 minutes in the 81 title game but when the game came down to do or die Montana tossed the go ahead TD and White turned the ball over when he got his shot.

Why did Drew Pearson let himself be tackled by two fingers? Should have broken away from it. Why didn't Drew Pearson have more speed. He had a SB ticket in his hands and couldn't get the job done. If he had, there would have been no fumble because there would not have been another play. Pearson choked...

 

[KJJ]

I don't recall him being ripped to shreds for that fumble. Romo would have been said not to be clutch had that happened.

He got ripped for it and to this day he still gets ripped for it. Everyone said White wasn't clutch after that game. Fans were still steaming over his dreadful performance vs Philly in the title game a year earlier. After playing a really good game vs SF only to fumble it away most in Cowboys Nation lost hope in Danny White. Even Landry and the organization were losing confidence in White. They lost so much confidence that they tried swinging a deal with the Colts for John Elway 2 years later. The Cowboys offered the Colts at least 3 starters one of which was Danny White. The offer the Cowboys made ended up being better than the one Denver made.

 

[DWhite Fan]

The reason why people are critical of White for this game is because, with the Cowboys roughly 15 yards from Rafael Septien being in position to win the game, White fumbled on a rush up the middle. Despite the horse collar by Eric Wright, they still had a chance to win, and White fumbled the chance away. White had one turnover, and the 49ers had 6 for the game. The key is when the turnovers happen.

Kinda like A QB passing for over 500 yards and 5 TDs and all anyone wants to remember is that he threw his only pick at the end...

 

[percyhoward]

Kind of hard to give Romo a pass on the run game when he could possibly audible out of more run plays than we know.

Here are rushing TD rankings from the last 4 seasons:
2010 29th
2011 30th
2012 27th
2013 18th

I don't think we ranked that low because Romo (and in 2010, Kitna) was audibling out of run plays. I think in those 3 seasons, such audibles were usually pretty sound decisions. Romo supposedly had more say in the offense than ever in 2013, and the ranking improved because Murray was healthy all year, and the OL was better than the previous three seasons.

I also think that if we reach point where we can actually run with success consistently in obvious running situations, that ranking will go up even more. Obviously, it's something that you wish would have happened much sooner.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

He got ripped for it and to this day he still gets ripped for it. Everyone said White wasn't clutch after that game. Fans were still steaming over his dreadful performance vs Philly in the title game a year earlier. After playing a really good game vs SF only to fumble it away most in Cowboys Nation lost hope in Danny White. Even Landry and the organization were losing confidence in White. They lost so much confidence that they tried swinging a deal with the Colts for John Elway 2 years later. The Cowboys offered the Colts at least 3 starters one of which was Danny White. The offer the Cowboys made ended up being better than the one Denver made.

Not to mention replacing White with Gary Hogeboom which was a big mistake. The organization was different then. They didn't like excuses for losing.