Too bad about the great Jake Delhomme

[DLCassidy]

It's truly amazing the ways Kartr can find to pimp that pot head bum of his.

 

[kartr]

dude is a very good QB. Give him a running game and he's very capable of getting to the big dance. We didn't fare so well without a running game. Even Peyton woManning couldn't win AT HOME without Edge putting up a fight. Delhomme was young and eons better than anything we had at the time we had a chance to sign him. I'd probably still trade Bledsoe for him but that's not a knock on Drew.

We had no running game in 2003, yet made the playoffs, but we lost badly on the road to a team that had a real running game and our qb was much less experienced than Delhomme is now. That's the point. People act is if Delhomme is so good he can get it done without help, yet didn't cut our qb any slack for getting us to the playoffs without a running back. Delhomme had two good running backs and two pro bowl calibre receivers, one of which is now considered one of the best in the game. That proves that us signing Delhomme in 2003 wouldn't have helped us get any further. Yesterday, he had same kind of supporting cast that Carter had in the playoffs two years ago. Plus, Carter only had one int, and it came with five minutes to go in the game when we were trailing by 19 points. Carter's int had little impact on that game, but Delhomme's ints were game changers.

 

[kartr]

Lordeeeeee...the guy came in with a passer rating of something like 120 in 6 playoff games...

Whatever...

Yeah and he had a good supporting cast in those games too. Every body knows that Delhomme needs Steve Smith more than Smith needs him.

 

[kartr]

What QB wouldnt be unmasked with no running game?

Carter passed for 210 yards against the Pats on the road with Galloway out of the game and completed 57% of his passes with Hambrick running for his ususal 20 yards, compared to Bradys 47% completion rate and 212 yards. Looks like some here are understanding about supporting cast when it's a qb that they like, but if it's one they don't like, it's all his fault when the team losses.

 

[Jarv]

Carter passed for 210 yards against the Pats on the road with Galloway out of the game and completed 57% of his passes with Hambrick running for his ususal 20 yards, compared to Bradys 47% completion rate and 212 yards. Looks like some here are understanding about supporting cast when it's a qb that they like, but if it's one they don't like, it's all his fault when the team losses.

I was at that game. He also threw a couple of picks. We were also shutout.

 

[superpunk]

Carter passed for 210 yards against the Pats on the road with Galloway out of the game and completed 57% of his passes with Hambrick running for his ususal 20 yards, compared to Bradys 47% completion rate and 212 yards. Looks like some here are understanding about supporting cast when it's a qb that they like, but if it's one they don't like, it's all his fault when the team losses.

LMAO!!!! Against the Pats! You're citing a game in which we got shut out as supporting evidence for your boy! A game in which QC threw three INTs!!!!

 

[kartr]

Disclaimer: I cant stand the Panthers or Delhomme.

Beside the running game Delhomme looked like garbage. Why are so many of you blind to that ?

He had a horrible game. Made poor reads, made poor decisions, threw poor passes.

Granted the running game was eliminated. Then you have to adjust. It wasnt like Goings went down in the 4th quarter with the game on the line.

Jake played like a rookie.

Exactly, and there's no excuse for a three year starter playing that poorly, but since he's not Carter, they have all the compassion and understanding in the world. They're also mad at Joe Gibbs for drafting Jason Campbell. They thinks he's lousy and that poor Patrick Ramsey is getting a raw deal. They think that Campbell will be no better than Carter, yet Carter's short career has been much better than Ramsey's. In fact, as soon as Gibbs' drafted Campbell, they made cracks such as Campbell = Carter. I wonder what they're basing that on.:wink2:

 

[Doomsday101]

Carter passed for 210 yards against the Pats on the road with Galloway out of the game and completed 57% of his passes with Hambrick running for his ususal 20 yards, compared to Bradys 47% completion rate and 212 yards. Looks like some here are understanding about supporting cast when it's a qb that they like, but if it's one they don't like, it's all his fault when the team losses.

Supporting cast or not Carter was a backup at best and once he blew his second chance in NY that pretty much ended any trust people would have in him. So beat that dead high horse all you want but no one is willing to even touch Carter.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

This is a ridiculous thread. Jake Delhomme is a very good QB. I wouldn't say an all-time great, of course, but a very good NFL QB.

In '72 and '73 Staubach lost 2 straight NFC championship games and we were never in either game. The Skins beat us 26-3 and the next year the Vikings beat us 27-10. Staubach did not play well in either game. That has nothing to do with Roger being a great QB.

Some days the other team is just better than your team and some days QBs just don't play as well as they have on other days.

 

[kartr]

We all should remember that w/o the tools around him no QB gets the job done alone even if their names are Manning, Delhomme, Brady, etc. Bledsoe played as well as possible behind an OL which all thru the regular season consistently failed to open up running lanes for Jones & Barber; and when we did get close enough for a FG, forget it. As a result, we are left home to wonder what might have been if we had an OL like Seattle & a real FG kicker.

Everywhere Bledsoe goes, his OL sucks, HMMMM!

 

[Doomsday101]

This is a ridiculous thread. Jake Delhomme is a very good QB. I wouldn't say an all-time great, of course, but a very good NFL QB.

In '72 and '73 Staubach lost 2 straight NFC championship games and we were never in either game. The Skins beat us 26-3 and the next year the Vikings beat us 27-10. Staubach did not play well in either game. That has nothing to do with Roger being a great QB.

Some days the other team is just better than your team and some days QBs just don't play as well as they have on other days.

Totally agree with you. This notion that Delhomme is some poor QB because of 1 game is pretty far reach being made my Mr disgrutled "I want my drug store cowboy back" karter

 

[kingwhicker]

In fact, as soon as Gibbs' drafted Campbell, they made cracks such as Campbell = Carter. I wonder what they're basing that on.:wink2:

Because he's black.

 

[kingwhicker]

This is a ridiculous thread. Jake Delhomme is a very good QB. I wouldn't say an all-time great, of course, but a very good NFL QB.

In '72 and '73 Staubach lost 2 straight NFC championship games and we were never in either game. The Skins beat us 26-3 and the next year the Vikings beat us 27-10. Staubach did not play well in either game. That has nothing to do with Roger being a great QB.

Some days the other team is just better than your team and some days QBs just don't play as well as they have on other days.

As far as the NFC goes, he is definitely in the top three.

 

[kartr]

So based on 1 game Delhomme is now a bad QB? Get a life. This post is nothing but another dumb ars attempt to try to shine the light on your pot head QB. You truly take the cake.

And all the McNabb bashing for getting to the NFC title game four straight years, including a super bowl appearance was warranted. McNabb hasn't had nearly the supporting cast on offense that Delhomme has had the last four years, yet many of you piled on him last year with a fury, despite the fact that he threw for over three hundred yards and 3 tds against the same defense that the great Peyton Manning could only muster 3 points against. Where was your compassion and understanding for McNabb last year?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I thought the Game Planning for the Panthers was extremely poor and they really saw Smith being doubled and trippled teamed as a negative when some pretty good play callers see it as a positive.

When a team is going to put two and three men on one guy, you really have to put pressure on your Offensive Coordinator to come up with innovative schemes that allows your other players to be successful as if two or three guys are being devoted to one resource, somebody is getting mono-y-mono coverage and in some cases sombody like a Full Back or Running Back is not going to be covered at all.

Jake Delhomme played a very poor game but the offensive play calling and the number of horses he had available were extremely limited.

Remember, when judging if a guy can play or not, you have to look at the entire Resume' and body of work and not just 1 game.

- Mike G.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

And all the McNabb bashing for getting to the NFC title game four straight years

I agree with that.

I think me and Hostile have been the only ones that I have seen that are on record as rating this guy high and would love to have him wearing the star.

Mcnabb > Delhomme anyway....

- Mike G.

 

[kartr]

Maybe one of the reasons the line was 7th least sacks in the league, was because Jake can aviod the rush. Do you think Bledsoe would have been 7th least sacks in the league in Carolina ?

I don't.

Right, if Bledsoe played for Carolina, the OL would suck too and the same if he played for Seattle or Pittsburgh.

 

[Doomsday101]

And all the McNabb bashing for getting to the NFC title game four straight years, including a super bowl appearance was warranted. McNabb hasn't had nearly the supporting cast on offense that Delhomme has had the last four years, yet many of you piled on him last year with a fury, despite the fact that he threw for over three hundred yards and 3 tds against the same defense that the great Peyton Manning could only muster 3 points against. Where was your compassion and understanding for McNabb last year?

I don't have a problem with McNabb, I think he has great leadership ability and felt he was undermined by TO and I think McNabb enters this next season trying to re-establish his leadership role which is something that he should not have to do but will have to none the less. Seeing how he is the Philly starting QB I doubt you will find many Cowboy fans who have a deep love for him either. You appear more interested in a QB being black than anything else. I could careless the color of the skin of the QB but I do expect a QB what ever race to be able to throw the ball accurately and be able to work from a pocket, if he is mobile great but 1st and foremost I want a guy who can deliver the ball and get all his weapons involved in the game.

 

[kartr]

I was at that game. He also threw a couple of picks. We were also shutout.

That's true, but he was just in his first full year as a starter and going up against a secondary that allowed only about 10-12 td passes and had 29 picks. Their secondary made every qb look bad that year. Manning threw 3 ints in the AFC championship against them.

 

[Mash]

Hahahaha....

I just love this.....keep up the fight Kartr....

I actually agree with alot you say about Carter.....but the past is the past....

Its not hard to see posters have their agenda's.....hey...I had mine....I hated Bill Bates and Chad Hennings....I thought they were terriable players....Some here loved them. Bates was a great special team player....but that was it.
Some here even thought he was a ring of honour cadidate...go figure

Anyways....Carter was a bad player because....well....he was bad...it wasn't his OL....Hambone at RB.....scrub WR's who decided to run wrong routes.....it was because he was bad.....so bad that he had a winning record with the Cowboys and not once running the same system in consecative years.....oh...but it was all the defense.....remember that

But again..he was so bad....that....he couldn't even take a snap....yet Vinny and Drew...continued to have problems taking snaps....ah...that cruel little Carter....it was him that started it.....

See.....without a Wr....a OL that can protect.....a RB worthy of the star....then how can it be the QB's fault?.......oh...unless of course its QC....got it Kartr.....understand the logic?

QC=bad.....

All NFL QB's= how good the supporting cast is.......especially protection

Its quite simple......

or we can use Spags logic

if he is good....why is he available?