Too bad about the great Jake Delhomme

[superpunk]

you know, i think we all realize there are times in life race works against us. you'd be hard pressed to deny the black race has gotten far more than their share. but to invent the reasons and tie it to race simply erodes the valid racial issues to a vast majority of us. it's like the boy who cried wolf.

lose the crutches and walk like the rest of us, kartr.

I hate Emmitt Smith.

 

[kartr]

FYI Kartr,

I was a big QC fan. Liked him over Hutch, wanted him over Vinny in 2004. thought he played well for the Jets too !

Not sure what happened with QC here in the Summer of 2004, thought it was worked out this year, but I did not hear the official results.

I lost respect for QC when he missed the playoffs with the Jets, some said he was in rehab at the time, not sure how accurate those reports were. Then I heard his interview was terrible this year in Dallas and he was some 30 lbs overweight ? I read the transcripts from the interveiw, didn't hear it myself.

What are your thoughts now on him Kartr ? think he has a chance to come back ? Is he training ? Since you are his official cheerleader here thought you might know more about his future.

I don't where he is or what he's doing. I heard that he had a terrible interview, but the people who say that never wanted him in the first place, so their opinion has no credibility. Let me ask you this. Since we heard about Michael Irvin, Ricky Williams,Claude Wrotten,etc, don't you think if he were in that bad of shape, we'd have heard something about him, a drug arrest, another rehab, something. It's like he's vanished off the face of the earth. When it comes to drugs, no news is good news when it comes to athletes.

 

[iceberg]

I don't where he is or what he's doing. I heard that he had a terrible interview, but the people who say that never wanted him in the first place, so their opinion has no credibility. Let me ask you this. Since we heard about Michael Irvin, Ricky Williams,Claude Wrotten,etc, don't you think if he were in that bad of shape, we'd have heard something about him, a drug arrest, another rehab, something. It's like he's vanished off the face of the earth. When it comes to drugs, no news is good news when it comes to athletes.

1) you're assuming all people who said he had a terrible interview hated carter, therefor never wanted him here. that's already wrong. i hoped carter would pull it through and compete for the job. i also hoped the same for hutch. the only person i wish would get off the team would be bledsoe. damn my racist tendencies.

2) if carter could play he'd be on a team. he's not. and since there are more than a few black players in the league, it's *probably* not race related, but performance.

3) he had a terrible interview.

too many teams need a qb to leave one that can play out.

 

[kartr]

your "manlove" for them?

you sure you're not really blackstone?

1. you could put mother theresa on the skins and people would bash her. dead and all.
2. gee - someone who won it all on their shoulders should be free of critisizm and animosity? it goes with life dude - FOR US ALL.

i really freaking hate people who think their problems are someone elses fault and not just a fault of life.

stoener got bashed. hutch still gets bashed. hensen get bashed lately? HELL YEA!!! and jake d - isn't this thread bashing the ever loving hell out of him????? how come your analysis only works ONE WAY? oh, cause then you'd have to just get through life w/o excuses like the rest of us, i suppose.

how come your fav qb's issues are race related (or strongly hinted to it) but yet when other qb's are bashed it's part of the game? if all you got here is the race card, i'd fold. takes more than that to win in life.

Carter has a winning record as a NFL qb, yet you put him in the same category as qb's who have won nothing. Henson can't even beat out Romo. There was never any question that Carter would beat out Hutch, except in Jerry Jones mind or the mediots. Logically, there is no way that Hutch or Henson could ever beat out Carter who had played 3 consecutive years of football before coming to Dallas. I do not play the race card, but I believe that others do when they trash 'running qb's. I believe it is a veiled reference because I believe that Steve Young and Elway and Tarkington were runners too. Only in the last few years since McNabb,Carter,Culpepper have had success did people seem to prefer 'pocket passers' as examples of 'quarter back perfection'. No one seemed to mind David Woodley or Joe Kapp or Bobby Douglas playing in the NFL. No one seemed to mind that Kenny Stabler threw more ints than tds in his career or that Bradshaw threw as many ints as tds in his career.

It seems that 'running qb's' having any success upsets many on this board and in the media. Some said that Henson would supplant Carter in just one year without ever seeing him play. He hasn't been able to supplant Romo in 2 years. There are a few who seem to support McNabb or Vince Young, but there are far too many who seem to hate them. My posting is not intended to incite as much as it is to educate the 'anti-runners' contingent they are being watched. An educated man like Rush Limbaugh has already given credence to the fact that there are still many who cling to antiquated ideals about race and I feel that's intolerable. I would like to joyfully read the postings here and not have to feel that I walked in on a clan rally. For those of you who don't have those biased views, feel free to jump on those who continue bash the McNabbs,Culpeppers,etc. Carter was a Cowboy qb and did the best that he could and since we had some success with, let's stop the nonsense that he was never any good at all and wish him the best. Don't speak as if he was the worst we ever had cause he wasn't.

There is a contingent here that crucifies anyone who says anything positive about him and applaudes anyone who criticizes him and that says it all. If you can bash him, then don't criticize me for speaking up for him. Fair is fair. Once again, I came to this board hoping to converse football with fellow Cowboy fans, but often feel that many here only want a qb who seems to fit their stereotypical image of what a qb is.

 

[kartr]

he didn't fit the bashing agenda so therefor he was excused to be hopefully overlooked.

I remember a poster here who didn't think Carter's running ability was a positive feature of playing qb, yet said he didn't want Leftwich cause he wasn't mobile enough. That bit of illogic told me that the real reason he didn't want Carter or Leftwich had nothing to do mobility.

 

[gbrittain]

Carter has a winning record as a NFL qb, yet you put him in the same category as qb's who have won nothing. Henson can't even beat out Romo. There was never any question that Carter would beat out Hutch, except in Jerry Jones mind or the mediots. Logically, there is no way that Hutch or Henson could ever beat out Carter who had played 3 consecutive years of football before coming to Dallas. I do not play the race card, but I believe that others do when they trash 'running qb's. I believe it is a veiled reference because I believe that Steve Young and Elway and Tarkington were runners too. Only in the last few years since McNabb,Carter,Culpepper have had success did people seem to prefer 'pocket passers' as examples of 'quarter back perfection'. No one seemed to mind David Woodley or Joe Kapp or Bobby Douglas playing in the NFL. No one seemed to mind that Kenny Stabler threw more ints than tds in his career or that Bradshaw threw as many ints as tds in his career.

It seems that 'running qb's' having any success upsets many on this board and in the media. Some said that Henson would supplant Carter in just one year without ever seeing him play. He hasn't been able to supplant Romo in 2 years. There are a few who seem to support McNabb or Vince Young, but there are far too many who seem to hate them. My posting is not intended to incite as much as it is to educate the 'anti-runners' contingent they are being watched. An educated man like Rush Limbaugh has already given credence to the fact that there are still many who cling to antiquated ideals about race and I feel that's intolerable. I would like to joyfully read the postings here and not have to feel that I walked in on a clan rally. For those of you who don't have those biased views, feel free to jump on those who continue bash the McNabbs,Culpeppers,etc. Carter was a Cowboy qb and did the best that he could and since we had some success with, let's stop the nonsense that he was never any good at all and wish him the best. Don't speak as if he was the worst we ever had cause he wasn't.

There is a contingent here that crucifies anyone who says anything positive about him and applaudes anyone who criticizes him and that says it all. If you can bash him, then don't criticize me for speaking up for him. Fair is fair. Once again, I came to this board hoping to converse football with fellow Cowboy fans, but often feel that many here only want a qb who seems to fit their stereotypical image of what a qb is.

I can not stand Q Car as a player.

I like Donovan McNabb, but not the most accurate but still very very good.

I love Daunte Culpepper. Thought he was #1 or #2 QB in the league until this year.

I am fascinated by the prospects of Vince Young and even Omar Jacobs but to a smaller degree.

I am not the biggest fan of Drew Bledsoe either.

What does that make me?

 

[kartr]

you know, i think we all realize there are times in life race works against us. you'd be hard pressed to deny the black race has gotten far more than their share. but to invent the reasons and tie it to race simply erodes the valid racial issues to a vast majority of us. it's like the boy who cried wolf.

lose the crutches and walk like the rest of us, kartr.

That's a crock. How can you tell a person how to feel or to act when you've never walked in their shoes. I assure you, I've always hung with the best, no matter what the field. Whether in athletics or acamedics, I need no crutch. In some cases,but not all, the more I've succeeded, the more I've been resented.

 

[kartr]

1) you're assuming all people who said he had a terrible interview hated carter, therefor never wanted him here. that's already wrong. i hoped carter would pull it through and compete for the job. i also hoped the same for hutch. the only person i wish would get off the team would be bledsoe. damn my racist tendencies.

2) if carter could play he'd be on a team. he's not. and since there are more than a few black players in the league, it's *probably* not race related, but performance.

3) he had a terrible interview.

too many teams need a qb to leave one that can play out.

No, it's about ego and leadership. I've experienced it personally. You know it's okay to be Tonto, but you can't be the lone ranger.

 

[JPM]

your "manlove" for them?

you sure you're not really blackstone?

1. you could put mother theresa on the skins and people would bash her. dead and all.
2. gee - someone who won it all on their shoulders should be free of critisizm and animosity? it goes with life dude - FOR US ALL.

i really freaking hate people who think their problems are someone elses fault and not just a fault of life.

stoener got bashed. hutch still gets bashed. hensen get bashed lately? HELL YEA!!! and jake d - isn't this thread bashing the ever loving hell out of him????? how come your analysis only works ONE WAY? oh, cause then you'd have to just get through life w/o excuses like the rest of us, i suppose.

how come your fav qb's issues are race related (or strongly hinted to it) but yet when other qb's are bashed it's part of the game? if all you got here is the race card, i'd fold. takes more than that to win in life.

Post of the day

 

[superpunk]

You know it's okay to be Tonto, but you can't be the lone ranger.

Someone just got a nickname......

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

 

[Jarv]

I can not stand Q Car as a player.

I like Donovan McNabb, but not the most accurate but still very very good.

I love Daunte Culpepper. Thought he was #1 or #2 QB in the league until this year.

I am fascinated by the prospects of Vince Young and even Omar Jacobs but to a smaller degree.

I am not the biggest fan of Drew Bledsoe either.

What does that make me?

I liked Daunte Culpepper, until he got injured this year and Brad Johnson played better after replacing him. I would be a proponent og getting Brad Johnson (I was for it last year, instead of Bledsoe)...But, I want to get younger at QB, So I'd rather take my chances this year with Henson and Romo.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I don't where he is or what he's doing. I heard that he had a terrible interview, but the people who say that never wanted him in the first place, so their opinion has no credibility. Let me ask you this. Since we heard about Michael Irvin, Ricky Williams,Claude Wrotten,etc, don't you think if he were in that bad of shape, we'd have heard something about him, a drug arrest, another rehab, something. It's like he's vanished off the face of the earth. When it comes to drugs, no news is good news when it comes to athletes.

Seriously and I mean seriously you should go to the Recap Zone and find the QC thread. There's a link to the audio file in it too. That interview should really give you a clue as to how unstable he's become.

And Kartr, I don't think you realize how many supporters QC had. HE messed it up. Nobody else did. People still want him to get his life right, regardless of whether he gets back to the league. I wish him well in LIFE not just the NFL.

 

[kartr]

1) you're assuming all people who said he had a terrible interview hated carter, therefor never wanted him here. that's already wrong. i hoped carter would pull it through and compete for the job. i also hoped the same for hutch. the only person i wish would get off the team would be bledsoe. damn my racist tendencies.

2) if carter could play he'd be on a team. he's not. and since there are more than a few black players in the league, it's *probably* not race related, but performance.

3) he had a terrible interview.

too many teams need a qb to leave one that can play out.

If you don't interview well, you must not be able to play, but if you interview well, then you can play well. That's exactly what Tim Lewis and Jerry Gray are going thru now. Norv Turn interviews well, so he must be a good head coach. Kyle Orton was Chicago's starting qb, so even though he was terrible, he must have been a better option than Jeff Blake who at least has 51 starts under his belt. Pretzel Logic. Now who is it that needs a crutch again?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

If you don't interview well, you must not be able to play, but if you interview well, then you can play well. That's exactly what Tim Lewis and Jerry Gray are going thru now. Norv Turn interviews well, so he must be a good head coach. Kyle Orton was Chicago's starting qb, so even though he was terrible, he must have been a better option than Jeff Blake who at least has 51 starts under his belt. Pretzel Logic. Now who is it that needs a crutch again?

jeff blake
Jeff Blake
JEFF BLAKE

<said in Jim Mora's infamous PLAYOFFS?? Voice>
:laugh2:

 

[cobra]

Why do you waste your time with kartr? He has already made clear his motivations. Why would any think he could be logically talked to?

kartr needs to read this book:

Losing the Race: Self-Sabotage in Black America (Paperback)
by John McWhorter (Afterword)

Are African-Americans using past racial injustices as an excuse for not working to take advantage of contemporary opportunities? McWhorter, a linguistics professor at the University of California, Berkeley, thinks he has the answers to this question and othersAand he points the finger directly at the black community. Starting with the premise that white racism is no longer the threat it once was, McWhorter singles out "the cult of victimology" and the glorification of white racism as a major cause for several social crises afflicting African-Americans.

Playing to the Cult of Victimology. That is all kartr is doing.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Seriously and I mean seriously you should go to the Recap Zone and find the QC thread. There's a link to the audio file in it too. That interview should really give you a clue as to how unstable he's become.

And Kartr, I don't think you realize how many supporters QC had. HE messed it up. Nobody else did. People still want him to get his life right, regardless of whether he gets back to the league. I wish him well in LIFE not just the NFL.

I never got to hear the interview. I went to the recap zone but these links dont work:

http://www.amfmpodcast.com/PodCast/HardlineQcarinterview1.mp3

http://www.amfmpodcast.com/PodCast/HardlineQcarinterview2.mp3

 

[WoodysGirl]

I never got to hear the interview. I went to the recap zone but these links dont work:

http://www.amfmpodcast.com/PodCast/HardlineQcarinterview1.mp3

http://www.amfmpodcast.com/PodCast/HardlineQcarinterview2.mp3

Well it's been a while.

I'm sure it can be found somewhere if someone downloaded it. I didn't, so I can't help with it.

Sorry... :

It wasn't like he was stark raving mad or anything. He just didn't seem to have it altogether.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I never got to hear the interview. I went to the recap zone but these links dont work:

http://www.amfmpodcast.com/PodCast/HardlineQcarinterview1.mp3

http://www.amfmpodcast.com/PodCast/HardlineQcarinterview2.mp3

You might want to try the ticket...they used to keep archives of things but not sure how long they keep them...the interview was on the ticket....My memory is fuzzy but I want to say it was on the dunham and miller show or the bob and dan show but I could be wrong.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Where are all those people saying that we messed up by not signing him?
I think he's now been unmasked without having a top notch RB to make his play action work. He looked extremely mortal to me. I can't believe all those talking heads believing that Delhomme was going to beat the 'Hawks with an over-rated defense and no running back(ala Hambrick). That was mean, I'd take Goings any day over that toe-tipper Hambrick. To me, this game was so predicatable, all that talk about Jack having the best playoff winning percentage of the qb's left in the playoffs. Did they really think he was going to sprout wings or something? Seattle was A), at home, B) at full strength and C) had a pass rush and veteran corners to slow down Smith. This was exactly the opposite of the Dallas playoff game a couple of years. Carolina had all the cards and Dallas went on the road undermanned

One more thing, I'm going to be the biggest Seahawk fan when the super bowl is played, cause the last thing I want to see is for the Steelers to get that fifth ring, 26 years and counting since 'one for the thumb'.

Do I know how to stir up a pot or don't I?
:laugh2:

you get, 1, big, fat

:jerk: