Trade a 3rd and Peerless for Charles Rogers..

[HanfordDixon]

Prior to the 2003 draft, Bill Belichek and Scott Pioli offered the Patriots two 1st round picks and their 2nd round pick for the chance to draft Rogers.

They saw an extremely talented, difference-making, franchise WR.

And here some of you guys don't even understand why Dallas should offer a lowly 5th round draft pick and a WR who isn't even playing to take a minimal chance on this player.

 

[Doomsday101]

Prior to the 2003 draft, Bill Belichek and Scott Pioli offered the Patriots two 1st round picks and their 2nd round pick for the chance to draft Rogers.

They saw an extremely talented, difference-making, franchise WR.

And here some of you guys don't even understand why Dallas should offer a lowly 5th round draft pick and a WR who isn't even playing to take a minimal chance on this player.

Because troubled players getting suspended can't help a team no matter how talented he may be, hard to catch a pass from your living room and that is about the only football Rogers is going to see.

 

[HanfordDixon]

what does past draft selection have to do with anything?

Well, it's kind of an indicator of how talented a player is. Players drafted 35th overall like Morgan are flawed players who are expected to be solid starters. Morgan wasn't even that. Still, he was worth taking a chance that a change of scenary would bring that out of him.

Players drafted second overall, like Rogers, are difference-making, superstar talents. Rogers is worth a lowly 5th round draft pick to see if a change of scenary would bring that out of him.

The guy is getting suspended for drug use and you want to bring him to Dallas. No thanks we have been there and done that and frankly I'm sick of seeing our guys getting in trouble and suspended, if a player can't be counted on to stay clean then I sure as hell do not want him

As I have said for roughly the 800th time, any trade would be contingent on the Cowboys' evaluating Rogers and determining that any drug issues are behind him, as well as Parcells signing off on it.

 

[Hiero]

ya he was drafted 2nd overall, because of his huge potential. the same reason we should at the very least test the waters and see what it might take, or if hes interested. wouldnt mind at all taking a shot at him for a 2nd day pick. He could end up being our #1 receiver for the future, along with Crayton. then we wouldnt have to worry about drafting a wr, we would be a lot more free to draft whatever we wanted in the draft.

 

[HanfordDixon]

Because troubled players getting suspended can't help a team no matter how talented he may be, hard to catch a pass from your living room and that is about the only football Rogers is going to see.

I think you're confused about this suspension. It's four games. He's not being suspended for his career.

 

[Justis]

Quincy Morgan was bigger and faster than Bryant and had some decent numbers for a young receiver in his first couple of years in the NFL. He did absolutley nothing in Dallas. I guess it highlights that there are no guarantees. I don't think Rogers is in that good of a situation since he has already missed two years. Morgan wasn't worth trading for and neither is Rogers. Now Morgan was worth picking up after being released just like Pittsburg did. That is what teams will do with Rogers.

Quincy Morgan was not the second overall pick in the draft.

This is the Ryan Leaf over Tom Brady argument.

 

[Big Country]

Yes, a 3rd is probably too high. I was thinking that before posting it. A 4th or 5th might be better. Remember this man was taken top 5 overall and was a tremendous talent coming out of college. We have nothing outside of Crayton for the future and there's no guarentee Patrick is more than a decent third option in the spread.

The trade would be more about addition by subtraction because I don't think it's working out for Price here. And you take a flyer on a guy who could turn it around with a change of scenary.

Worked for Chris Carter, Jimmy Smith and so on.

We're going into the fifth game of the season and everyone wants to quit the course and row the boat in different directions... Guys n gals, give it a chance!! Yes, Rogers might be a talent with some consistent time, but I'm telling you right this second... It wouldn't hurt my feelings if Crayton was the #2 WR with a starting position... But in all actuality, Glenn and Key are holding their own... All Crayton does is make plays when they need to be made... Who scored the only TD against the Raiders, making a play out of a sure push out of bounds during the process? Who won the sure loss in Texas Stadium against the Commanders last year? Remember Troy Brown was drafted by BP in the 7th round and he calls him his best draft pick ever... along with Fergi... also a 7th rounder.

Besides, we need help in other areas BESIDES WR... we need OL help... I'd be in favor of getting help behind LA or Flo... those guys are totally stinking it up this year and we have big concerns on the OL and we haven't gotten JJo that 100 yd game YET... but everybody is crying out for that flagship WR... Get a lineman with that kind of trade... You just watch the WRs take off when we finally do get that running game cranked up. We're fine at WR... Proof?? Bledsoe is the 7th ranked QB THIS YEAR. Price has what... 2 grabs I think? Not too shabby with Price virtually not contributing and Witten getting blanket coverage.

 

[Doomsday101]

Because troubled players getting suspended can't help a team no matter how talented he may be, hard to catch a pass from your living room and that is about the only football Rogers is going to see.

I think you're confused about this suspension. It's four games. He's not being suspended for his career.

Not confused at all, look by NFL rules state a player has to fail 3 test before he gets suspended and frankly if a guy is not smart enough to stop before the 3rd test then why would I want him? We are talking about living a great life in the limelight making big money and the guy still flunks 2 more test to get suspended. I don't want stupid players. At my job you get 1 chance you fail the test your gone!

 

[Justis]

We're going into the fifth game of the season and everyone wants to quit the course and row the boat in different directions... Guys n gals, give it a chance!! Yes, Rogers might be a talent with some consistent time, but I'm telling you right this second... It wouldn't hurt my feelings if Crayton was the #2 WR with a starting position... But in all actuality, Glenn and Key are holding their own... All Crayton does is make plays when they need to be made... Who scored the only TD against the Raiders, making a play out of a sure push out of bounds during the process? Who won the sure loss in Texas Stadium against the Commanders last year? Remember Troy Brown was drafted by BP in the 7th round and he calls him his best draft pick ever... along with Fergi... also a 7th rounder.

Besides, we need help in other areas BESIDES WR... we need OL help... I'd be in favor of getting help behind LA or Flo... those guys are totally stinking it up this year and we have big concerns on the OL and we haven't gotten JJo that 100 yd game YET... but everybody is crying out for that flagship WR... Get a lineman with that kind of trade... You just watch the WRs take off when we finally do get that running game cranked up. We're fine at WR... Proof?? Bledsoe is the 7th ranked QB THIS YEAR. Price has what... 2 grabs I think? Not too shabby with Price virtually not contributing and Witten getting blanket coverage.

Did he really drop that far? Stupid hail mary interception.

 

[Vertigo_17]

Charles Rogers is more fragile than Terry Glenn

 

[Hiero]

Besides, we need help in other areas BESIDES WR... we need OL help... I'd be in favor of getting help behind LA or Flo... those guys are totally stinking it up this year and we have big concerns on the OL and we haven't gotten JJo that 100 yd game YET... but everybody is crying out for that flagship WR... Get a lineman with that kind of trade... You just watch the WRs take off when we finally do get that running game cranked up. We're fine at WR... Proof?? Bledsoe is the 7th ranked QB THIS YEAR. Price has what... 2 grabs I think? Not too shabby with Price virtually not contributing and Witten getting blanket coverage.

true, we are fine at WR for this year, but what about 2006 and 2007 2008 2009? If we get Rogers theres a shot he could be here til 2010+. Keyshawn definitely arent going to be playing that long, maybe a year or two, i really have no idea. It's worth the risk to me to get a playmaker with a 5th round pick. who cares about the suspension, were fine at wr this year anyways right? we would definitely have to redo his contract though.

 

[joseephuss]

what does past draft selection have to do with anything?

Well, it's kind of an indicator of how talented a player is. Players drafted 35th overall like Morgan are flawed players who are expected to be solid starters. Morgan wasn't even that. Still, he was worth taking a chance that a change of scenary would bring that out of him.

Players drafted second overall, like Rogers, are difference-making, superstar talents. Rogers is worth a lowly 5th round draft pick to see if a change of scenary would bring that out of him.

The guy is getting suspended for drug use and you want to bring him to Dallas. No thanks we have been there and done that and frankly I'm sick of seeing our guys getting in trouble and suspended, if a player can't be counted on to stay clean then I sure as hell do not want him

As I have said for roughly the 800th time, any trade would be contingent on the Cowboys' evaluating Rogers and determining that any drug issues are behind him, as well as Parcells signing off on it.

Well, Bledsoe was the #1 overall pick. I don't think Dallas brought him in to play at that expected level. They evaluated him based on what he has done in the NFL, especially the last few seasons. Rogers hasn't done anything in the NFL.

I am not saying Rogers doesn't deserve another chance or that he won't do better with a change of scenery. I just think he has driven his asking price way down. Even a 5th and Price is over paying for a guy that may and probably will be available after being cut at the end of the year.

Price isn't contributing to Dallas right now. He is learning the playbook, practicing and waiting for an opportunity to see playing time. He doesn't contribute to special teams.

Rogers if brought in, cannot practice with the team or attend any meetings for 4 weeks. That means half the season will be gone before he can even start truly learning the offense and developing a chemistry with the team. At that time, it would be unlikely that he would get too many snaps behind Key, Glenn and Crayton. He also doesn't play special teams, so if they got him he would cost more than Price and probably not truly contribute to the team this season. Sure, he could end up being a force for next year and the future, but if you wait until after the season, you can still get him for next year and the future for less money and without trading a draft pick.

 

[HanfordDixon]

Not confused at all, look by NFL rules state a player has to fail 3 test before he gets suspended and frankly if a guy is not smart enough to stop before the 3rd test then why would I want him? We are talking about living a great life in the limelight making big money and the guy still flunks 2 more test to get suspended. I don't want stupid players. At my job you get 1 chance you fail the test your gone!

You're not getting it. You're making an argument against drafting him in the first round, or trading a significant draft pick or player for him.

I agree and I am not proposing we do that. It's a risk/reward thing. Price is looking more and more like a bad signing everyday. We don't really need him... unless of course, Glenn goes down. Rogers would merely replace Price as insurance.

A 5th round pick rarely and I mean rarely turns out to be a decent player. It's a longshot pick.

For that price, you might get a superstar playmaking WR that lit up the college game. Is it worth doing? Hell yeah.

 

[Big Country]

true, we are fine at WR for this year, but what about 2006 and 2007 2008 2009? If we get Rogers theres a shot he could be here til 2010+. Keyshawn definitely arent going to be playing that long, maybe a year or two, i really have no idea. It's worth the risk to me to get a playmaker with a 5th round pick. who cares about the suspension, were fine at wr this year anyways right? we would definitely have to redo his contract though.

Yeah, but I'm not going to worry about it that far ahead... I'm trying to concentrate on the present season... I'll admit in times past when the Cowboys looked horrible, say the 00 or 01 season, and you want to look toward what could be better days... I'm just saying I think they are closer right now, albeit maybe not quite there yet. But I think this season deserves a look.

 

[Doomsday101]

true, we are fine at WR for this year, but what about 2006 and 2007 2008 2009? If we get Rogers theres a shot he could be here til 2010+. Keyshawn definitely arent going to be playing that long, maybe a year or two, i really have no idea. It's worth the risk to me to get a playmaker with a 5th round pick. who cares about the suspension, were fine at wr this year anyways right? we would definitely have to redo his contract though.

So Rogers who did not learn for the 2 failed test we are to expect he will not do this again? If we need a WR and I agree for the future we do draft one

 

[Doomsday101]

Not confused at all, look by NFL rules state a player has to fail 3 test before he gets suspended and frankly if a guy is not smart enough to stop before the 3rd test then why would I want him? We are talking about living a great life in the limelight making big money and the guy still flunks 2 more test to get suspended. I don't want stupid players. At my job you get 1 chance you fail the test your gone!

You're not getting it. You're making an argument against drafting him in the first round, or trading a significant draft pick or player for him.

I agree and I am not proposing we do that. It's a risk/reward thing. Price is looking more and more like a bad signing everyday. We don't really need him... unless of course, Glenn goes down. Rogers would merely replace Price as insurance.

A 5th round pick rarely and I mean rarely turns out to be a decent player. It's a longshot pick.

For that price, you might get a superstar playmaking WR that lit up the college game. Is it worth doing? Hell yeah.

Then as I said draft one next year but no I don't want boneheads on the team that can't figure out how to stay out of trouble, sorry all to often these same guys end up doing it again and the team pays for it because they can't be depended on. Also Rogers has not show that damn much in the NFL regardless of what pick he was taken with, he is constantly hurt and now this. No Thanks he is not the last of the WR who will play in the NFL we can do better than that

 

[Hiero]

Then as I said draft one next year but no I don't want boneheads on the team that can't figure out how to stay out of trouble, sorry all to often these same guys end up doing it again and the team pays for it because they can't be depended on. Also Rogers has not show that damn much in the NFL regardless of what pick he was taken with, he is constantly hurt and now this. No Thanks he is not the last of the WR who will play in the NFL we can do better than that

he has bigtime talent, to steal him for a 5th or so would be well worth it. even if he busts, we still have 3-4 wr's on the team who can handle it. When he has played actually, hes been pretty good. Just gotta be willing to take the big risk to get the big catch

 

[Hiero]

Then as I said draft one next year but no I don't want boneheads on the team that can't figure out how to stay out of trouble, sorry all to often these same guys end up doing it again and the team pays for it because they can't be depended on. Also Rogers has not show that damn much in the NFL regardless of what pick he was taken with, he is constantly hurt and now this. No Thanks he is not the last of the WR who will play in the NFL we can do better than that

We could also draft one, but any WR we got in the 5th round, probably couldnt even make this team tbh. We have a chance to get a real playmaker on offense, gotta take it even if it means taking a risk.

 

[Doomsday101]

he has bigtime talent, to steal him for a 5th or so would be well worth it. even if he busts, we still have 3-4 wr's on the team who can handle it. When he has played actually, hes been pretty good. Just gotta be willing to take the big risk to get the big catch

Well I'm not going to change your mind but myself I'm sick of drug store Cowboys. It may be different if this incident was a couple of years behind him and he shown himself to be a changed man then I would consider it but not when he is about to go down

 

[Hiero]

Well I'm not going to change your mind but myself I'm sick of drug store Cowboys. It may be different if this incident was a couple of years behind him and he shown himself to be a changed man then I would consider it but not when he is about to go down

I dunno honestly i feel kinda bad for the dude. Out for 2 seasons in a row with the same stupid injury when he had so much potential to do good things, and was doing good when he played. then having to have Joey Harrington as QB, i understand why he went back to smokin.