Trade Bait

The only teams that would potentially give us something for him are contenders. Bad teams will just simply wait until next year when he is a FA and throw a ton of money at him.
There is no way that I bolster the offense of a team like Arizona, Green Bay, Tampa Bay, the Rams, or Buffalo just for some future draft pick which will likely be late in the round.
 
plasticman said:
Why in the world would we want to trade premium starting players to other teams so they can use them to get better.?

There is no market. For what? A sixth round future practice squad body? How is that going to help us this year, a year in which the team should be focused exclusively on winning their next game?

We are talking about the Cowboys, remember? To put it mildly, stuff happens. Didn't we just prove that it's really nice to have quality backups? Injuries don't just stop happening at any particular point. We could lose one of our elite WR's. How will it make us feel if something like that happens the day after we trade Gallup?
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The Cowboys, at least in my view, is most definitely in the "win now" mode. Too many free agents next year, too many players at or near the end of their career and most of all they are a contender for a ring. How often could we really say that in years past? We had the 2016 team, but as good as it was, the simple fact than no rookie quarterback EVER won a SB brought the expectation down to something less than a SB win.

The future is unknown, yes that's the case always, and there will be an NFL and Cowboys in the future so you can't just dig in your heels this year and say to heck with 2022, 2023, and on and on.

But keep everybody you can (and want to) keep this year, again at least for me the old saying "Strike while the iron is hot" is spot on for this year...
 
LACowboysFan1 said:
The Cowboys, at least in my view, is most definitely in the "win now" mode. Too many free agents next year, too many players at or near the end of their career and most of all they are a contender for a ring. How often could we really say that in years past? We had the 2016 team, but as good as it was, the simple fact than no rookie quarterback EVER won a SB brought the expectation down to something less than a SB win.

The future is unknown, yes that's the case always, and there will be an NFL and Cowboys in the future so you can't just dig in your heels this year and say to heck with 2022, 2023, and on and on.

But keep everybody you can (and want to) keep this year, again at least for me the old saying "Strike while the iron is hot" is spot on for this year...
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"Win now" rarely works. Anything can happen in the playoffs.

I did an analysis years ago that determined the best regular season team base on wins and statistical data like points, yards and turnovers both offensively and defensively. The best team coming out of the playoffs win about 50% of the time.

If they have that "win now" mentality then why would they ever want to trade good players? Are the Cowboys suddenly exempt from injury?
 
DanA said:
It wouldn't be for a 6th as more than likely we get a 4th round compo pick for Gallup, it would have to be a 3rd (minimum) to be worthwhile. And if Cooper went down injured we still have Zeke/Pollard, Lamb/Wilson, and Shultz/Jarwin so there isn't really a huge drop off.
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A great deal of the success for Wilson and the others are based on the presence of Cooper who draws the better defenders. Without Cooper, I doubt the others get open as frequently. It's not a "plug and play" situation.
 
My question is could the Cowboys go back in on Quinnen Williams DT Jets?
They are clearly in the rebuild.
Could Triston Hill, Anthony Brown or La'el Collins and some picks sway them.
Not saying all of Them a package of something along those lines
 
Doomsday101 said:
Dallas picked up Cooper before trade deadline for a 1st. I don't think it is all that rare, especially as teams are running into injuries.
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What is it, maybe one or two trades a year that involves a first round pick? It’s maybe one or two league wide. It is not common and Cooper is one of the very few players that has played up to that trade value. I have seen many more trades that resulted in a low pick that could improve if the player met certain criteria such as games started, production goals, health, etc.
 
ninja said:
Sell high, buy low. Collins’ price is maybe the highest it will be right now. There are teams desperate for starting OT talent right now.

The team is at a crossroad with the starting OT position. Steele’s arrow is pointing up, Collins down. Who starts? Do you reward Collins for his abhorrent behavior these past two years and gift him the starting position? Or do you reward Steele for his hard work and improvement? Do you stop the progress of Steele for a lying drug addict who quit on the team last year and who last played well in 2019?

What is the message you want to send to your team? What is the culture of the team? These questions are much more important to the team than depth right now. We are talking about the heart and soul of a team.

Steele or Collins? Which one starts. This question must be answered soon and not swept under the carpet with some BS explanation.

Reward Steele or allow Collins to continue his BS shenanigans? The team is watching.

Collins quit on the team, he quit on his teammates, he quit on his friends, he quit on the fans. He put drugs above football. You want to reward that? You want to keep that? You want more of that from Collins? You want similar behavior from other stars down the line?

When is enough enough?

Gallup is a different story. He is a good player who does all the right things and just got injured. He is the type of player you want to keep. So is Wilson. Might not be able to keep both after this year. Tough decision.

Stealers got rid of Antonio Brown. Similar situation with Collins.
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I disagree. Collin’s trade value is at the lowest it has been since Dallas signed him. Between coming into camp out of shape, his injuries and his bribes, the guy has killed his trade value.
 
BAT said:
Yikes!!!
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Nsekhe is only needed to hold the fort down in the immediate future. He will be gone next year or maybe even sooner.

Farniok played well in preseason games and has been getting reps on special teams. He is showing potential this year like Steele showed potential last year.

Knight seems to have maxed out. Looks to be a 3rd stringer - good in a pinch for maybe a few games. Will probably get beat out by others next year.

Ball is a big question mark right now since none of us saw him play. The team has been good at identifying OL talent so I will trust in the scouts and coaches.
 
jnday said:
What is it, maybe one or two trades a year that involves a first round pick? It’s maybe one or two league wide. It is not common and Cooper is one of the very few players that has played up to that trade value. I have seen many more trades that resulted in a low pick that could improve if the player met certain criteria such as games started, production goals, health, etc.
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am not looking for a trade I only point out yes I would trade if someone offered a #1 pick, if not then I don't trade. I'm not looking to get rid of anyone but if I were it would be on my terms. I love having Gallup and look forward to his return but as I said everyone has a price
 
kevm3 said:
The only teams that would potentially give us something for him are contenders. Bad teams will just simply wait until next year when he is a FA and throw a ton of money at him.
There is no way that I bolster the offense of a team like Arizona, Green Bay, Tampa Bay, the Rams, or Buffalo just for some future draft pick which will likely be late in the round.
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exactly. on point. and make them stronger and potentially have to face them in the playoffs...

too many madden football players on this board
 
plasticman said:
"Win now" rarely works. Anything can happen in the playoffs.

I did an analysis years ago that determined the best regular season team base on wins and statistical data like points, yards and turnovers both offensively and defensively. The best team coming out of the playoffs win about 50% of the time.

If they have that "win now" mentality then why would they ever want to trade good players? Are the Cowboys suddenly exempt from injury?
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how about the other side of the coin, teams that are looking successful in the regular season, then trade out or have their players injured and what happens to them? how many missed the playoffs? how many won even one playoff game? and I usually look at the last 5-8 games of the season. teams getting hot, producing and clicking in the last half of the season. you don't want to sputter into the playoffs. you want to go in with a strong head wind.

defintley and undeniably, having full force and depth going into playoffs is better than not having it.
 
ninja said:
Nsekhe is only needed to hold the fort down in the immediate future. He will be gone next year or maybe even sooner.

Farniok played well in preseason games and has been getting reps on special teams. He is showing potential this year like Steele showed potential last year.

Knight seems to have maxed out. Looks to be a 3rd stringer - good in a pinch for maybe a few games. Will probably get beat out by others next year.

Ball is a big question mark right now since none of us saw him play. The team has been good at identifying OL talent so I will trust in the scouts and coaches.
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preseason...he looked good in preseason!!!! playing against other scrubs!!!! . remember Rico Gathers, he looked fantastic in preseason. again, going up against scrubs...and Faronik plays guard. not tackle. and Nsekhe doesn't give anyone confidence, given he has bounced around and is a journey man. if he was any good, he would have stuck around.....and steele played real games last year, not preseason. out of necessity, not because he showed anything in preseason that would garner us throwing him out there....he made a lot of mistakes. cost a few games. we went 6-10.... but he learned....so if that's the plan, to throw these rookies and journey men out there and tank the season...then yeah, you got yourself a good plan.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
preseason...he looked good in preseason!!!! playing against other scrubs!!!! . remember Rico Gathers, he looked fantastic in preseason. again, going up against scrubs...and Faronik plays guard. not tackle. and Nsekhe doesn't give anyone confidence, given he has bounced around and is a journey man. if he was any good, he would have stuck around.....and steele played real games last year, not preseason. out of necessity, not because he showed anything in preseason that would garner us throwing him out there....he made a lot of mistakes. cost a few games. we went 6-10.... but he learned....so if that's the plan, to throw these rookies and journey men out there and tank the season...then yeah, you got yourself a good plan.
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You keep trying. You know nothing about OL talent.
 
CoachD said:
So what happens after Collins and Gallup come back? As good as Terrance Steel and Cedrick Wilson are playing right now the Cowboys might want to consider moving on from L'el Collins and Michael Gallup. You could get some really good players for these guys or even better a couple of really high draft picks. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Cowboys pull off a move for one or even both of these guys.
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I'd bet this is Coops last season with us.

$60 million is a lot for a WR over 3 seasons.
 
ninja said:
You keep trying. You know nothing about OL talent.
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yeah, you do. you are the OL guru...whose one guess came true after 99 failed ones...

I just sent an email to McClay, touting your talented eye in spotting OL men....you should be getting a private message from him soon. keep an eye open you OL talent guru
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
yeah, you do. you are the OL guru...whose one guess came true after 99 failed ones...

I just sent an email to McClay, touting your talented eye in spotting OL men....you should be getting a private message from him soon. keep an eye open you OL talent guru
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It took you a while but you are finally seeing the light. Better late than never.
 
JD_KaPow said:
What makes you think you could get a "really good player" or a "really high draft pick" for Gallup? There's no precedent that I can find for a team trading much for half a season of a #2 WR.
Collins could potentially bring a good return, but I think you're overrating Steele, underrating Collins, and massively overrating our swing tackle situation in the absence of Collins.
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Except Roy Williams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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