Trade Folk?

[Hostile]

I'd rather have a reliable FG kicker than a consistent touchback specialist. But I don't see the need to get rid of either one. Just take two kickers.

I'm piggy backing this take with my Lawyer.

 

[LeonDixson]

I'd rather have a reliable FG kicker than a consistent touchback specialist. But I don't see the need to get rid of either one. Just take two kickers.

This is the truth!

It's been a long time since I haven't had to run and hide in the other room every time we get ready to kick a field goal. I wouldn't let folk go. If Beuhler can consistently kickoff into the endzone, that field position is worth more than a 6th WR who never gets activated on game day.

 

[PBJTime]

It's funny how quickly people forget about the Vanderclanks of the world. Just remember how heart-wrenching it is to watch a kick sail just wide to lose the game for you.

 

[Jay]

How much is the 53rd, non-kicking team member going to contribute? Not much, if at all.

Much better keeping two kickers. I have no clue how anyone can argue otherwise. In an ideal world, we only have one.. but why chance it?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's funny how quickly people forget about the Vanderclanks of the world. Just remember how heart-wrenching it is to watch a kick sail just wide to lose the game for you.

Its funny how people don't actually read the OP much less the thread. The entire point is that it would be better to not have to keep 2 kickers and trade one of them away. You just don't do it on a whim. I would like to see either

a) Folk consistently kick the ball within the 5 or
b) Beuhler show he can hit about 90% of his attempts.

Oh and one of the knocks on Vanderjagt and a big reason why Indy let him go was because he couldn't kickoff worth a flip.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

How much is the 53rd, non-kicking team member going to contribute? Not much, if at all.

Much better keeping two kickers. I have no clue how anyone can argue otherwise. In an ideal world, we only have one.. but why chance it?

folk is going to be on there for about 4 plays a game. Beuhler will probably be better b/c hes not only a kicker but that 53rd slot could go for OL depth, a development guy like Dixon, Mickens, Ogletree, Hannah, or a guy that contributes on all ST like Rogers.

I understand the necessity but using two slots on kickers because Folk cannot KO owrth a damn blows.

 

[theogt]

folk is going to be on there for about 4 plays a game. Beuhler will probably be better b/c hes not only a kicker but that 53rd slot could go for OL depth, a development guy like Dixon, Mickens, Ogletree, Hannah, or a guy that contributes on all ST like Rogers.

I understand the necessity but using two slots on kickers because Folk cannot KO owrth a damn blows.

The slot won't take away from a linemen. As you point out, it'll take a slot away from a guy that's going to get 10-15 special teams snaps in the game and would only see real playing time if MULTIPLE players in his position went down. We can make up for the special teams snaps. It's not really an issue.

 

[jobberone]

Its funny how people don't actually read the OP much less the thread. The entire point is that it would be better to not have to keep 2 kickers and trade one of them away. You just don't do it on a whim. I would like to see either

a) Folk consistently kick the ball within the 5 or
b) Beuhler show he can hit about 90% of his attempts.

Oh and one of the knocks on Vanderjagt and a big reason why Indy let him go was because he couldn't kickoff worth a flip.

I don't know about trading either as both are more valuable than any pick you're going to get. IMO.

I agree with you it's better to have one kicker do it all.

To others, while it's true the fate of the western world doesn't lie in the hands of the 53rd guy on the team, its more complicated. They will take two kickers to the game so that means the second kicker is not taking up one of the reserve spots from the 45 game day roster. Big deal or could be esp if its a lineman that's not around when needed.

You're also putting a guy on the waiver wire that you have been forced to put on the PS because of a numbers crunch. That player may be better than the guy who's on the roster. Losing him could mean losing a potential starter. While it's true most PS players don't make it as a starter, keeping two kickers put one guy on the PS or another team when you didn't want to do that.

So it is a big deal.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Trade Folk. No thanks.

 

[AKATheRake]

You don't trade Nick Folk. We went ages to find a kicker like Folk. Do not rock this sturdy boat that he has provided us through his kicking.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The slot won't take away from a linemen. As you point out, it'll take a slot away from a guy that's going to get 10-15 special teams snaps in the game and would only see real playing time if MULTIPLE players in his position went down. We can make up for the special teams snaps. It's not really an issue.

I don't see how you can really say that. Most roster predictions that I ahve seen have us keeping 9 linemen. Now I suppose that Brewster being hurt makes the issue moot but had he been healthy then there would have been some tough choices having to be made.

That being said, if a guy like Islander shows some potential in the preseason games, keeping two kickers means we have to hope he gets through waivers. Same goes for WR. I doubt we can keep both Ogletree and Stanback.

Sure we are talking about 15 or so ST plays but the two kickers are going to only kick maybe 4 times a piece. Thats not exactly a good trade off.

I don't know about trading either as both are more valuable than any pick you're going to get. IMO.

I agree with you it's better to have one kicker do it all.

To others, while it's true the fate of the western world doesn't lie in the hands of the 53rd guy on the team, its more complicated. They will take two kickers to the game so that means the second kicker is not taking up one of the reserve spots from the 45 game day roster. Big deal or could be esp if its a lineman that's not around when needed.

You're also putting a guy on the waiver wire that you have been forced to put on the PS because of a numbers crunch. That player may be better than the guy who's on the roster. Losing him could mean losing a potential starter. While it's true most PS players don't make it as a starter, keeping two kickers put one guy on the PS or another team when you didn't want to do that.

So it is a big deal.

I really had not thought about the waiver/PS issue but you bring up a very good point. We are definitely going to have to expose a player(s) that we might want to keep.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You don't trade Nick Folk. We went ages to find a kicker like Folk. Do not rock this sturdy boat that he has provided us through his kicking.

:bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

The only way I would support trading either kicker would be if Beuhler showed he could hit 90% of his FGs or Folk gains more leg strength to kick it deep.

I have little faith that Folk will suddenly get 5-10 yards on his KO so I brought him up. Beuhler showing he can kick FG consistently would be best for this franchise.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Ummm...No thanks. Folk has already proven himself to be a reliable, clutch, kicker. I'd rather not get rid of him.

 

[AKATheRake]

:bang2: :bang2: :bang2:

The only way I would support trading either kicker would be if Beuhler showed he could hit 90% of his FGs or Folk gains more leg strength to kick it deep.

I have little faith that Folk will suddenly get 5-10 yards on his KO so I brought him up. Beuhler showing he can kick FG consistently would be best for this franchise.

I understand that you don't want to account 2 roster spots for the field goal kicker and kickoff specialist. Ideally,I don't want to either, I'd prefer to have the kicker and/or punter to be very effective at kickoffs too.

But if there has been any bright spots on our special teams it's been FG kicking and punting ever since we got McBriar and Folk. I prefer nt to rock that boat and am willing to sacrifice an extra spot for a kickoff specialist who can trim 5 - 12 yards off the oppositions starting field position on kickoffs.

Whatever we have to do to get special teams to becomea strength I'm for it. Even if that means we take 1 less DB, WR, LB or OL on game days. Buehler hits 90% and that means Folk got hurt and we were smart and lucky to have such a viable contingency.

I think Folk is the most clutch kicker from 50+ yards in the game right now.

 

[MapleLeaf]

...hierarchy in football that most coaches focus on.

1. Points.
2. Field Position.

Folk = Points.

Buehler = Field Position.

You don't get tantalized over field position and roster spots to give up points. It is way too early in Buehler's career to pose this question.

The scoreboard always wins.

 

[bbgun]

A lot of these kickoff specialists are doing what they're doing because they can't make the "easy" kicks (40 yards or less). If they could, they'd be doing both jobs.

 

[fannypack]

Folk kind of got a place in my heart when he banged back to back 53 yard field goals in a roaring stadium.

I just don't want him to go.

 

[CliffnDallas]

Buehler would need to hit two overtime, game-winning field goals on monday night television before I'd trust him over Folk.

Amen!

 

[USMarineVet]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[Sarge]

Trade Folk. No thanks.

Pretty simple, isn't it...........