Trading Parsons or Resigning Parsons

[KingCorcoran]

mistake or not, that's the number in the market for a top 5 type defensive player....

Jerry may be a slow learner, but hopefully he can pay attention. SF is not going to hand Purdy $60 million per year. Eagles are not going to hand Carter $35 million per year. There is a limit. Jerry can decide what that limit is for his franchise instead of letting other teams decide what he’s going to pay his players.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Jerry may be a slow learner, but hopefully he can pay attention. SF is not going to hand Purdy $60 million per year. Eagles are not going to hand Carter $35 million per year. There is a limit. Jerry can decide what that limit is for his franchise instead of letting other teams decide what he’s going to pay his players.

there is a limit!!! but that limit has been pushed every year.....they said the same thing 4 years ago...there is a limit to QB salaries now there are 4 who make 55M plus and there will be more coming. they said the same thing abotu WRs and now they are making 35M, etc.

SF may not pay purdy 60M, but he will be inline for a 55M salary.....

as long as the cap goes up, the limits will be pushed.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Jerry may be a slow learner, but hopefully he can pay attention. SF is not going to hand Purdy $60 million per year. Eagles are not going to hand Carter $35 million per year. There is a limit. Jerry can decide what that limit is for his franchise instead of letting other teams decide what he’s going to pay his players.

Oh I would bet a ton of money that both those guys get every bit of that much money. Purdy still has a year and a half on his deal and SF can always franchise him. By the time they have to give him a LTC $60M will be a bargain price. Same with Carter, he still has 2.5 years plus a 5th year option. He will be every bit of $40M+ when he signs. The only real question for these guys is can they stay healthy.

 

[Proof]

I can't remember, but I think a lot of their void years (350 million) come up in 2026, or 27. It will have to be accounted for. If teams could push it forward indefinitely it would be a complete circumventing of the cap.

right. they're really good at managing the cap and staggering the hits (or pushing them all out and attacking a window) but people make it seem like they aren't also paying multiple stars top end money. they are. just doing it smarter than dallas.

 

[KingCorcoran]

there is a limit!!! but that limit has been pushed every year.....they said the same thing 4 years ago...there is a limit to QB salaries now there are 4 who make 55M plus and there will be more coming. they said the same thing abotu WRs and now they are making 35M, etc.

SF may not pay purdy 60M, but he will be inline for a 55M salary.....

as long as the cap goes up, the limits will be pushed.

It works both ways, though. Now there are 9 QBs over $50 million. That’s over one fourth of all the QB1s. A QB not matching Hurts’ production will now get slotted around what Hurts is being paid. The re-emergence of the running back will also require a bigger piece of the salary cap. And the cap moves by virtue of an agreed upon formula. It can’t be changed without amending the CBA which the owners know better than to even suggest.

The salaries will plateau somewhere. Unfortunately I believe Dallas will be left with the highest paid quarterback for awhile now. Eagles are a perfect example. Is Hurts playing this well compared to last season if Philly didn’t sign Barkley? (no way) A blind man can see it. NFL GMs can see it. To get top value out of your $50+ million QB you need to spend your cap in a number of places.

More money will be spent on player compensation. It will now be spread around to more players. It will soon be time to begin initial negotiation of the new CBA. Look for some leveling out.

 

[Proof]

Stop with the Khalil Mack nonsense. That was five years ago. It does not happen anymore and it’s not going to start now. How many current firsts have been traded? 2025 and 2026? Zero. How many seconds? 4. And 29 of 32 teams have a second pick in 2025. Teams don’t trade valuable draft capital anymore.

Parson is already under contract with the Cowboys for 2025 for over $21 million. That’s just for the 2025 season. He’s already “signed”. He can play for that or hold out and get no pay at all. No team is trading anything for him, particularly well run franchises like Pittsburgh and Philadelphia.

you may be right, but just because none have been traded this year doesn't mean anything concrete, there just hasnt really been any premier talent available for trade. teams trade draft capital all the time, and micah would surely fetch quite a bit. considerably more than brian burns

 

[blueblood70]

Highly Prefer: Trade him and start the rebuild.

Wouldn't hate it: Backload his contract and truly go all in with other FA signings to support him.

Please for the love of god don't: Handle it like they've handled all other 2nd contracts.

Not all of them,

I mean you say all others they've signed some contracts that came off without a hitch and drama Trayvon big signed a top five contract, dont Remember Fredricks, Tyler Smith, and pthers i mean sure we didtn lkike Jaylon smiths deal or how the Steele deal turned out but those had zero dramam just woke up and saw new deal came about..

So,

when you say handleed all,

part of the issue is the other two thirds you do realize the Cowboys don't have full control of these players and how their agents are gonna act and if they're gonna be held in a fire you can say they weren't negotiating early enough and I'm saying you'd be naive and delusional to think that you know what goes on over at the ranch or I should say the star now literally you don't know the conversations that are being had and some of these players and agents are holding the Dallas Cowboys GM and ownership with a gun to their head and they won't move they didn't wanna sign early they knew the bag that was coming they wanted it to go that late they wanted it to be competitive like lambs contract he was absolutely not signing early just like jamar chase is still going through his contract negotiations they were all waiting on each other and when Justin Jefferson dropped that's when they came and said I'm ready to negotiate you don't know nobody in here knows all the phone calls and emails being talked about just because it's private that goes on I get it looks bad from the outside and you like to blame everything on the Jones family but this is a three-way St. Literally you have three players involved and it becomes a mess when they want to be this new narrative the next highest paid non quarterback in the league they want to break the bank it's an ego problem it's insidious within the NFL lately it's not just the Cowboys..

Other teams have players who hold out and make demands like Trent Williams Brandon iuke and Justin Jefferson he got paid but he got the giant bag why didn't they sign him early why did they sign into something in the $30 million range right now jamar chase is still on sign and by the way that team is gonna pay for it they're gonna owe him more money than lamb so you blame the Jones family for all this no some of it is the players and agents they know what's been coming up over the hill same with Prescott yes his first contract possibly could have been signed for less but he was not in fact said this not gonna sign a long term deal if they wanted it to be early it was gonna be short really short like three years and it probably would've been about 35,000,000 but then again it had been up for a contract much earlier than the old one and it probably right now right here it would've been in the same spot get on understand the dynamics of the agents and the players nobody's just going to agree Trayvon quietly because that's his personality and you know what it was top five at the time it was 4 and now it's five and it'll get pushed down but he didn't seem to have a problem with that but all players did not think like him all agents do not think like his...

It was much easier when players saw themselves as top five at their position and was willing to negotiate within the top five some of them still held out for #1 but most of them as long as they got a fair deal in the top five they signed now this dumb narrative that's floating around they wanna be the second highest paid non quarterback in the league that's become a problem the Dallas Cowboys did not start this it has just come up recently and the owners are gonna have to do something about it and stop the nonsense because you can't do that it literally needs to be negotiated top five at your position not trying to break into the second highest paid non quarterback in the league meaning they wanna be after the quarterback money they wanna be that guy and that's just ridiculous you can't run a business that way...

don't get me wrong i'm not releasing the Jones family from some of the blame but trust me Prescott was going somewhere for $60 million they were not the only players had he come up for free agency that would have paid him that kind of money that is new market money and sure it would have been nice to get him for 56 if that would have been even the reality we don't know what was going on behind the scenes Prescott's one of the only players in the league that was willing to not hold out play on the franchise tag but he got hurt and he got paid and in this case I blame lamb once we signed him and after that nonsense and his hold out we had to sign Prescott and now all the dominoes are dropping we're probably gonna overpay for Parsons as well because if you're gonna keep 1 you gotta keep them all...

 

[Proof]

Jerry may be a slow learner, but hopefully he can pay attention. SF is not going to hand Purdy $60 million per year. Eagles are not going to hand Carter $35 million per year. There is a limit. Jerry can decide what that limit is for his franchise instead of letting other teams decide what he’s going to pay his players.

the eagles will pay carter for sure. the niners would likely have given purdy anything he'd asked for if the season hadn't played out the way it has

 

[KingCorcoran]

you may be right, but just because none have been traded this year doesn't mean anything concrete, there just hasnt really been any premier talent available for trade. teams trade draft capital all the time, and micah would surely fetch quite a bit. considerably more than brian burns

You might see a deal, say, as an example, the Cowboys want the Jaguars pick, 1st overall. Jags give up that pick and their third for Parsons and the Cowboys first round pick. But the Jags owner will not deny his fans the excitement of the draft extravaganza. To varying degrees every ownership group knows what Jerry knows, it is, in the end, entertainment.

 

[khiladi]

Parsons is gonna demand a record breaking contract if he hits free agency.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

the niners would likely have given purdy anything he'd asked for if the season hadn't played out the way it has

Whether to give him a 2nd contract is a tough call for them. My guess is they will tag him at least once coz no way he's worth $60M today.

 

[Robster8989]

I know this gets talked about ad nauseum, but I just want to see the what percentage of Cowboys fans actually want to trade him

It's a great question and topic.
Micah is an amazing player, one of the best pass rushers I've seen.
The question is, do you spend say 36-40 mil of your cap space on a guy who is a bit one dimensional? On a team that is not good enough to win a SB (largely because we don't have money to build depth on the roster because of the cap limitations these "superdeals' create.)
Given, sacks and pressures are HUGELY important. Negative plays are really a key to winning in this league (getting them on D and not making them on O), and Micah does that as well as anyone in the league.

But with the praise of Micah, you also have to consider the cons.
He has disappeared in playoff games. He talks too much on social media and doesn't consider the ramifications of his words.
Is he in this for the TEAM, or is he in it for himself?

At the beginning of the off season, I actually supported trading Dak, CeeDee and Micah, and accumulating draft picks ala Jimmy in the first few seasons. Build something special. The problem with that is it's not as easy as it seams, and we don't have Jimmy running the show, we have an egotistical owner/GM who can't even admit he needs a football professional to manage the team.
I still can't believe we gave Dak that deal., and I like Dak (like him, don't love him lol). I was hoping for a realistic deal that left some meat on the bone to fill out the roster (because Dak is not good enough to win on his own. No dis there, few players are that good), but if Dak is your QB, you need a well balanced roster all around to win, and paying Dak (and CeeDee and Micah) so much, is there enough left for the rest of the team, or are we likely to be a solid (but expensive team} that is not good enough to win it all?
So at this point, I trade him, (for the right price of course, and CeeDee too) and try to get out of the Dak deal ASAP.
This will never happen as long as Jerry is still the GM however.

 

[blueblood70]

So at this point, I trade him, (for the right price of course, and CeeDee too) and try to get out of the Dak deal ASAP.
This will never happen as long as Jerry is still the GM however.

lmao delusional much you DO NOT SIGN 2 players to record deals, and the next season turn around and eat cap to get out of their deals. Damage is done ,they are here for 2 years each min, live with if. Only a FF/Maden keyboard GM would suggest this..

once they singed Lamb; Dak had to be done and now might as well get MP done. it was all or nothing, but commitments were made and eating bonus/guaranteed money you spread out over the long haul to turn around to be able to fit more players under the cap NOW, and eat it all NOW, umm that not the reality.

NOT HAPPENING!! Ship has sailed deal with it..

MP should be resigned unless his ask is too much, than move on use his draft capital to draft another player like him.. The key is right now has to figure out what that number is now they should be talking to him now if they get a feeling that he's going to be hanging them over a barrel of the fire, they're going to pull a cd lamb, they should start sending out feelers for trades immediately after the seasons over..that way get it done at or before the draft and move up and get Abdul carter in this draft vs waiting until 2026..

 

[Proof]

You might see a deal, say, as an example, the Cowboys want the Jaguars pick, 1st overall. Jags give up that pick and their third for Parsons and the Cowboys first round pick. But the Jags owner will not deny his fans the excitement of the draft extravaganza. To varying degrees every ownership group knows what Jerry knows, it is, in the end, entertainment.

oh yeah, i don't particularly see the first overall pick in play at all. just that first round picks are still dealt (even if not so far this year) for elite talent which micah assuredly is.

 

[Proof]

Whether to give him a 2nd contract is a tough call for them. My guess is they will tag him at least once coz no way he's worth $60M today.

I feel like they'll be able to get him on a pretty reasonable deal because of the disaster of this year, and unfortunately by pointing to daks deal.

 

[FVSTONE]

and STILL as effective as nearly anyone. but also, that's why it's important to add defensive talent around him on the line. even if he's figured out, the attention will still allow for others to get through.

Add talent around him?????????? How are you going to do that when this organization doesn't have a real GM who knows talent? Our GM keeps using top picks to draft Michigan players who aren't NFL ready football players. Also, when a team ties up a huge portion of its CAP on just "3" players there isn't a lot to go around to sign game changing FAs.

 

[Proof]

Add talent around him?????????? How are you going to do that when this organization doesn't have a real GM who knows talent? Our GM keeps using top picks to draft Michigan players who aren't NFL ready football players. Also, when a team ties up a huge portion of its CAP on just "3" players there isn't a lot to go around to sign game changing FAs.

they've managed to draft talented player pretty regularly even despite. maybe they'll whiff, maybe they'll ignore, but hopefully they do and get it right. overshown looks to be a fantastic running mate, still like what i saw from kneeland early on. this is a deep dt draft (they say) so fingers crossed.

 

[CWR]

right. they're really good at managing the cap and staggering the hits (or pushing them all out and attacking a window) but people make it seem like they aren't also paying multiple stars top end money. they are. just doing it smarter than dallas.

I think the biggest difference is they are willing to take a shot. We are paralyzed by the possible fall out. They will eventually pay for it, but it's worth it.

 

[Proof]

I think the biggest difference is they are willing to take a shot. We are paralyzed by the possible fall out. They will eventually pay for it, but it's worth it.

right. agreed. we have a bus driver as an owner lol. (and he's drunk)

 

[john van brocklin]

I know this gets talked about ad nauseum, but I just want to see the what percentage of Cowboys fans actually want to trade him

They need to trade him asap for the following reasons:
1. He is undersized for how we use him, causing him to wear down towards the end of the season and making him injury prone.
2. Because of point # 1 his massive contract should we resign him will not age well.