Tropical Storm / Hurricane Harvey

[waldoputty]

With my Kinfolks safe in Abilene now, I'm resupplying and heading out to the coast today to help out all I can.

good luck out there.

 

[Tabascocat]

well at least they seem to be uninjured and that is the key.
the rest can be rebuilt though you may want to build on higher ground.

I wish it were that easy. The house is still standing so it will be just replacing sheetrock and floors. There is no way to raise the house. Would be easier to sell and move.

 

[waldoputty]

Heading towards land/being that close? Had a name but I can't recall it atm.

It just was the perfect conditions for Harvey. Super slow movement, hottest waters in the Atlantic, and it just went through a Eye Wall replacement. The storms pressure was dropping at a scary rate and sadly the storm stayed in water for enough time for the winds to get close to match the pressure. No doubt in my mind it was on it's way to a Cat 5, just ran out of room, thankfully.

Those pics of the flooding is terrible. Especially with this ******* still over Texas with a shot to re-hit.

yes i have just started reading into the weather projections before friday and they were amazing close, though underestimated the amount of rain by 2x or so. they predicted 24 inches and that the storm would stall and also the rapid intensification.
they attribute the rapid intensification before shore to some very warm water that broke off from the loop current between yucatan and mexico...
from my novice view, it seems any storm heading to the gulf coast can get huge if it passes over this type of warm water from the loop current...

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/dangerous-rapidly-intensifying-harvey-expected-be-cat-3-landfall

 

[waldoputty]

I wish it were that easy. The house is still standing so it will be just replacing sheetrock and floors. There is no way to raise the house. Would be easier to sell and move.

well may be fix it and move in a couple years or so to higher ground then.

 

[Tabascocat]

yes i have just started reading into the weather projections before friday and they were amazing close, though underestimated the amount of rain by 2x or so. they predicted 24 inches and that the storm would stall and also the rapid intensification.
they attribute the rapid intensification before shore to some very warm water that broke off from the loop current between yucatan and mexico...
from my novice view, it seems any storm heading to the gulf coast can get huge if it passes over this type of warm water from the loop current...

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/dangerous-rapidly-intensifying-harvey-expected-be-cat-3-landfall

The Gulf is the warmest body of water, all storms intensify fast there. But, usually they hit land before they get really strong.

 

[waldoputty]

The Gulf is the warmest body of water, all storms intensify fast there. But, usually they hit land before they get really strong.

it seemed to have gone from cat2 to cat3 to cat 4 within 1-2 hours of each level rise. do i remember correctly?

 

[Tabascocat]

it seemed to have gone from cat2 to cat3 to cat 4 within 1-2 hours of each level rise. do i remember correctly?

Yes because the water temp was 90 degrees and it stalled due to other high pressure systems.

 

[waldoputty]

Yes because the water temp was 90 degrees and it stalled due to other high pressure systems.

yes the article predicted the stalling and also the rise to cat3. but it did not think it had enough time to get to cat4...
wow water was 90 degrees though do not know what is typical.
did not know ocean waters gets that warm...
great for swimming though but holy crap...

 

[Roadtrip635]

it seemed to have gone from cat2 to cat3 to cat 4 within 1-2 hours of each level rise. do i remember correctly?

Went from CAT2 to CAT4 in just under 2 hours. Harvey was a late bloomer, really picked up speed quick.

 

[Tabascocat]

yes the article predicted the stalling and also the rise to cat3. but it did not think it had enough time to get to cat4...
wow water was 90 degrees though do not know what is typical.
did not know ocean waters gets that warm...
great for swimming though but holy crap...

It would have hit cat 5 if the storm had 100 more miles til landfall.

 

[waldoputty]

wow now storm projected to go back over gulf and then back to houston again...
hoping for the best for you folks over there...

 

[Tabascocat]

wow now storm projected to go back over gulf and then back to houston again...
hoping for the best for you folks over there...

It is sucking in drier air now, which is good news. It won't be as tropical.

 

[gmoney112]

2 more feet of rain tonight, my buddy has a poolview now from his 2nd story apartment.

Also this

Sharknado is now a documentary.

 

[haleyrules]

what i meant to say is does anyone remember a hurricane continuing to gain strength all the way on its way to shore? i recall hurricanes typically stopping to gain strength a few hours before getting to land.

Hurricanes are unique they seem to have lives of there own and are always unpredictable.

 

[Tabascocat]

I saw that photo-shopped picture in Katrina

 

[diefree666]

warm water to a hurricane is like gasoline on a fire.

Historic storms are those that appear just in the right place at the right time for maximum damage.

 

[waldoputty]

Yes because the water temp was 90 degrees and it stalled due to other high pressure systems.

been reading into it some more about how the really warm water got there. apparently it came from the regular loop current (orange arrow). according to this article, every 6-11 months, an eddy comes off of the loop current (step 3 and 4). that is what happened here that brought the warm water from the loop current to the area close to texas.

this is also what happened in 2005 and is apparently what weather scientists watch for as this could fuel super powerful hurricanes in the texas/louisana region. so it is like a ticking time bomb like the earthquakes here in Cali.
https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/loopcurrent.asp

according to this article: "This occurred in 2005, when a Loop Current Eddy separated in July, just before Hurricane Katrina passed over and "bombed" into a Category 5 hurricane. The eddy remained in the Gulf and slowly drifted westward during September. Hurricane Rita passed over the same Loop Current Eddy three weeks after Katrina, and also explosively deepened to a Category 5 storm."

from the article on thursday, this figure shows the current eddy right in the projected track for Harvey that fueled Harvey's intensification. the scale is not for water temperature but energy/surface area for the ocean water.

 

[Tabascocat]

been reading into it some more about how the really warm water got there. apparently it came from the regular loop current (orange arrow). according to this article, every 6-11 months, an eddy comes off of the loop current (step 3 and 4). that is what happened here that brought the warm water from the loop current to the area close to texas.

this is also what happened in 2005 and is apparently what weather scientists watch for as this could fuel super powerful hurricanes in the texas/louisana region. so it is like a ticking time bomb like the earthquakes here in Cali.
https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/loopcurrent.asp

according to this article: "This occurred in 2005, when a Loop Current Eddy separated in July, just before Hurricane Katrina passed over and "bombed" into a Category 5 hurricane. The eddy remained in the Gulf and slowly drifted westward during September. Hurricane Rita passed over the same Loop Current Eddy three weeks after Katrina, and also explosively deepened to a Category 5 storm."

from the article on thursday, this figure shows the current eddy right in the projected track for Harvey that fueled Harvey's intensification. the scale is not for water temperature but energy/surface area for the ocean water.

Nice work but I have always just called it the Gulf Stream

 

[waldoputty]

Nice work but I have always just called it the Gulf Stream

yes, i am sure it is just part of the lore of the area...

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

I know someone that lives in Bay City who said yesterday they are forcing an evacuation of the town so they can flood{?}the town to relieve flooding in nearby areas I presume. Has anyone ever heard of this? I haven't. Seems to me they wouldn't want anymore flooded areas than they already have, they said they heard it would possibly add several feet of water over the town.