Trying Hard

[Mr Cowboy]

Clarence Hill ‏@clarencehilljr 43s44 seconds ago
Johnny Walker Blue-loving Jerry Jones after the 28-7 loss to the Packers, likely ending Cowboys slim playoff hopes: "The game was sobering."

 

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Clarence Hill ‏@clarencehilljr 43s44 seconds ago
Johnny Walker Blue-loving Jerry Jones after the 28-7 loss to the Packers, likely ending Cowboys slim playoff hopes: "The game was sobering."

Not sure what he is talking about. I'm still drunk.

 

[Beast_from_East]

In my opinion, athletes are paid a TON of money to always try hard and give their best. In other words, it's a given .. it's expected of them. There's no applauding for trying hard or giving their best, because they are paid well to do it.

In school, youth or recreational leagues, playing hard, giving your best, etc. is something you can be proud of. The only thing that matters in paid sports is winning.

Excellent post............I think this also is why so many question Garrett as well.........the only thing that matters for coaches is winning also

46-41 Garrett's career coaching record.

6 years on the job and Garrett has shown that he is a .500 head coach in the NFL. He will win and lose about the same number of games over an extended period of time. So the question becomes, is that satisfactory? A lot of fans say no.

 

[TwoDeep3]

The Garrett era is like Campo-Lite. twice the talent and 1 more playoff win.

I liked your comment, then thought about it.

These two eras are similar, as you said. But Garrett does have more talent and a quarterback, when he isn't broken, that can get things done, for the most part.

Campo didn't really have anything but a broken Troy Aikman.

 

[fifaguy]

"Trying hard" is JG's ticket to continued employment as the HC into next year and probably beyond.

 

[Floatyworm]

It's boring. We play the most boring brand of football I've ever seen.

I don't care about trying hard and all of this other mess.


I'm just so frustrated as a fan because I know this coach gives us no hope for the future.

Yet you want to keep him. You are the 3%

 

[JW82]

I liked your comment, then thought about it.

These two eras are similar, as you said. But Garrett does have more talent and a quarterback, when he isn't broken, that can get things done, for the most part.

Campo didn't really have anything but a broken Troy Aikman.

That's what i said, Garrett has twice the talent that campo had yet only one more playoff win than campo had.
Based on the talent level Campo was probably better.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Here is where the trying hard matters, to me anyway.

When your team is bad. Either cause they have no talent, not enough talent, or they're just playing bad that year and are a bad team this is important to me.

Now understand this is important regardless, but it's particularly important when you're not playing for anything and it's easy to just not care.

If you see people not giving full effort right now, quitting, just going through the motions those players should be immediately cut.

I don't care who they are.

Gone.

Outta here. See you later. I don't want you.

It doesn't matter how bad your team is, how bad you're doing, how bad you're getting beat. You are not to ever stop trying or playing hard. If you do then you have a loser mentality with a loser quit when it gets hard attitude.

It's why I am not a fan of the 'tank for a higher pick' mentality. I wouldn't want anyone with that attitude any where near a football team I was a part of. I wouldn't want that loser, quit when the going is tough, or the times are bad attitude near my team.

People who think like that, or play like that, are losers all the time. They are losers now, they'll be losers tomorrow, and they'll be losers 5 years from now because they have that loser mentality in them.

 

[ConstantReboot]

When people say the team is "trying hard" its nothing more than the system not working. They try hard but nothing is accomplished is a self defeatism excuse which the players know nothing is being accomplished due to the flaws in the system.

They can't complain or rock the boat, unless they want to be judged as anti-RKG type of player. Trying hard is really nothing more than "I give up" attitude. Players know the flaws and we keep doing the same things over and over that don't work. They know the meaning of insanity.

 

[DandyDon1722]

The offensive scheme definitely needs to be overhauled. Unfortunately I think we're stuck with it until both Garrett and Romo are gone.

Even if Garrett is fired (which I doubt happens, although it's deserving) I could see Jones bringing in some handpicked puppet who will run the same scheme just because Romo is used to it.

I think that's a valid point but I'm sure Tony could easily adjust to a new system to fit his skill set and could even welcome a change and might flourish - but at the end of the day you're right the puppet factor would be in full effect.

 

[Alexander]

When people say the team is "trying hard" its nothing more than the system isn't working. They try hard but nothing is accomplished because they know that their is flaws in the system that they play in and that their skillset is nothing being used to its potential.

They can't complain and rock the boat unless they want to be judged as anti-RKG type of player. Trying hard is a self defeatism attitude. Players know the flaws and we keep doing the same things over and over that don't work. So thats why you get that "we're trying hard" as an excuse.

They are flailing away in a couple of crippled and antiquated systems.

At the end of the day, they are the ones who will be out the door, try hard or not, to bring in the fresh meat to do the same thing over again because the staff believes so strongly in their beliefs.

I do not see what takeaways can come from this idea of playing hard.

It is pure romance that has little to no translation going forward mainly because there will be a totally different bunch battlin', clawin' and scrapin' next year.

 

[cml750]

This guys is trying hard but he isn't getting anywhere. Looks like JG little bit. Princeton material for sure.

 

[Chuck 54]

Trying hard? They are professional athletes with brief careers; if they aren't trying hard, they should be released and coaches may need firing.

Trying hard is something to hang a losing hat on when you can't find anything else positive, like....

I'm trying hard to believe JG can get the job done. I'm trying hard to believe that hiring a hard-nosed veteran coach wouldn't be better.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Just trying is not good enough in life or football.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Just very interested to hear how people view this phrase and how you value it in relation to this team.

From a simple definitional viewpoint, I think trying hard is for losers.

That is just my brutal way of looking at things.

It is very very easy to blame the players. They just are not good enough.

They are not executing. But they are "trying".

If a player "tries hard" doing everything they are coached to do, what then?

Is that a reflection that they are "trying hard" for themselves?

Doing the best they can in the system?

That has been the big rallying cry all season.

They are "trying".

I would love someone to tell me what exactly that means.

To me, I saw the defense "trying".

I saw an offense that was going through the motions of a moribund offense.

So what constitutes "trying" and how do you use that to decide how things are?

Trying hard? I dont see Dez trying hard. Cassel looks like a guy that just doesn't want to be there. I think most guys play hard because they don't want to be embarrassed. And certainly the state of the NFC East has given them some false hope to play for. I would say that has more to do with it than anything.

 

[Alexander]

Trying hard? I dont see Dez trying hard. Cassel looks like a guy that just doesn't want to be there. I think most guys play hard because they don't want to be embarrassed. And certainly the state of the NFC East has given them some false hope to play for. I would say that has more to do with it than anything.

Not a bad assessment. They could have been playing "hard" as there is still hope and that has been dangled in front of them for weeks. Should be interesting to see how much this "try hard" thing continues to be a talking point over the next three weeks.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Like I said in the other thread, the players fight (try hard) for Garrett, but he puts them in a position that they are always fighting an uphill battle. And trying is not unique to Garrett or the Cowboys. All teams try. It's just a weak attempt at deflection.

What does that say about Garrett if the players are trying hard and we are still losing every week?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Not a bad assessment. They could have been playing "hard" as there is still hope and that has been dangled in front of them for weeks. Should be interesting to see how much this "try hard" thing continues to be a talking point over the next three weeks.

I agree. With the NFC East thing all but gone I would be interested to see if we get some blow ups from guys like Dez or obvious signs of taking plays off.

 

[Cowboy_Shawn]

What does that say about Garrett if the players are trying hard and we are still losing every week?

I've been saying for week's that the biggest indictment of Garrett's coaching ability is the team's record w/o Romo.

Even Jerry has finally come to the realization that Romo covered many of warts of the offense and the coaching staff.

Losing your QB is no excuse for posting a 1-8 record in his absence.

Belichick kept winning when he had to play with Cassel. The Texans reeled off 6 straight wins with a journeyman at QB. The Broncos are still winning games with Brock Osweiler.

I could go on and on listing teams that are still winning games despite having limited talent at the QB position.

So Garrett shouldn't get a free pass just because he doesn't have a Pro Bowl QB at his disposal.

 

[dreghorn2]

I liked your comment, then thought about it.

These two eras are similar, as you said. But Garrett does have more talent and a quarterback, when he isn't broken, that can get things done, for the most part.

Campo didn't really have anything but a broken Troy Aikman.

And about 30% of his salary cap unusable.