News: Tucker: Decision on Jason Garrett's future should already be made

[Dodger12]

Explain....

In his 5 years as HC in Cleveland, he had 4 losing seasons. If you're arguing that JG should be fired b/c of his body of work, then Belichick certainly shoudln't have gotten another job. And the draft is built around selecting potential...none of the guys have any history at all the NFL.

The NFL is as much about trying to predict the future as anything else. Body of work plays a part of that, but its not the only thing you can look at.

Chocolate Lab beat me to the punch. There's no question the guy was a highly regarded DC with a Superbowl resume. The guy had also been coaching in some capacity since 1975. His resume speaks for itself. After Cleveland, he went back to being a coordinator where he had success yet again. So when we say "body of work," lets not kid ourselves that Garrett even remotely compares. And most people may not remember that Belichick coached Cleveland to 11 and 5 and actually won a playoff game in 1994; he also had the league's top ranked D that season. He was still fired the following year.

In any event, no one is going to claim that his tenure in Cleveland was a complete success, at least not me, but he worked his way back to a HC job after another successful stint as DC for the Pats and later the Jets. Same way with Norv. No one can argue the guy wasn't a good OC and instrumental in developing Aikman and directing that offense to multiple SB's. That success got him a HC gig with Washington and when he failed there, he went back to being an OC and worked his way back to the HC ranks with Oakland and later the Chargers.

Garrett may one day be a good HQ. But let's not act that he has remotely the same resume as some coaches people are comparing him to.

 

[Alexander]

Garrett may one day be a good HQ. But let's not act that he has remotely the same resume as some coaches people are comparing him to.

So I guess this bullet point from his resume prior to Jones hiring him as offensive coordinator is not as impressive?

He entered the coaching profession in February of 2005 as the quarterbacks coach for Nick Saban's first Miami Dolphins club. While in Miami, Garrett capably handled the challenge of having to work with five different starting quarterbacks over the course of 32 regular season games. In 2005 Miami quarterbacks threw 22 touchdowns with just 16 interceptions. Their plus-six differential was the team's best since the 1998 season when they were a plus-seven (23-16). In 2006 Garrett managed three starting quarterbacks for an offensive unit that produced four pass receivers who each had at least 55 receptions. It marked the first time in club history that four different receivers had at least 55 catches.

 

[Zordon]

Fired? He should not have been *hired* - they don't let first year cadets pilot the Space Shuttle, and for good reason...

Coaching resume goes back all the way to 2005. He's got 2 years on Kliff Kingsbury lol. I bet these veteran coaches around the league who had to wait 2+ decades to get their chance at a head coaching position love beating this schmuck.

 

[Risen Star]

Wait, did Ross Tucker call Jason Garrett "the football operations leader" of the Dallas Cowboys?

 

[Risen Star]

It's like people forget that New England didn't hire Belichick straight out of Cleveland. He did a great job as DC for Parcells for four years after the Browns fired him before New England gave him a chance. If Garrett were able to catch on and do a great job as OC for four or five years somewhere else (lol), he might get another chance, too.

And that chance figures to occur somewhere with a sane owner and an actual chance to succeed.

I realize we're supposed to demonize Garrett as all that ails the Cowboys right now but any fan with a clue knows that coaching has not been and is not the issue. It's the environment the coaches reside in in Dallas and the pieces given those coaches that is the problem. And that has nothing to do with Jason Garrett.

But hey, fire Garrett. I can feel a title right around the corner if we can just find a head coach that doesn't hold us back.

 

[visionary]

only in bizarro cowboy homer land does a HC whose team goes 13-3 and goes to the playoffs 2 times in 4 years with a playoff win, get reviled as a horrible HC whereas a HC whose team goes 8-8 for 3 consecutive seasons missing the playoffs gets hailed as the next greatest HC and a savior

 

[khiladi]

It's like people forget that New England didn't hire Belichick straight out of Cleveland. He did a great job as DC for Parcells for four years after the Browns fired him before New England gave him a chance. If Garrett were able to catch on and do a great job as OC for four or five years somewhere else (lol), he might get another chance, too.

Exactly.. Bellichek's body of work isn't just as HC...

 

[Chocolate Lab]

And that chance figures to occur somewhere with a sane owner and an actual chance to succeed.

I realize we're supposed to demonize Garrett as all that ails the Cowboys right now but any fan with a clue knows that coaching has not been and is not the issue. It's the environment the coaches reside in in Dallas and the pieces given those coaches that is the problem. And that has nothing to do with Jason Garrett.

But hey, fire Garrett. I can feel a title right around the corner if we can just find a head coach that doesn't hold us back.

We might not win a title, in fact we probably wouldn't. But that doesn't mean we should settle for less than the best coach we can get.

And how can anyone claim that person is Jason Garrett. I know you like him for some reason, but come on.

 

[visionary]

Wait, did Ross Tucker call Jason Garrett "the football operations leader" of the Dallas Cowboys?

of course
jerry is "not that involved" and is just "the tie-breaker"

 

[WoodysGirl]

Wait, did Ross Tucker call Jason Garrett "the football operations leader" of the Dallas Cowboys?

For the purposes of this thread, I'm thinking he's just referring to him as the head coach....to which he is kinda the head of football operations.

All unrelated to personnel and other stuff

 

[Risen Star]

Exactly.. Bellichek's body of work isn't just as HC...

The fact remains, Belichick was a loser of a head coach until Tom Brady arrived. He sucked in Cleveland and he sucked in New England prior to Brady.

I'd bet money he'll retire when Brady does. Otherwise, he'll get exposed. Not that he isn't a good coach, but he's nowhere near one of the greats. His teacher was twice the head coach he'll ever be.

 

[BigD5]

Belicheck had won 2 SBs as an asst coach.

Also his tenure in Cleveland was not as bad as it seems on the surface. Many of his assts in Cleveland went on to be successful NFL head coaches and NFL executives and one will probably go down as the greatest college head coach ever.

Also they were 6-10 in 91, 7-9 in 92, 7-9 in 93, 11-5 in 94 and were 3-1 in 95 before Art Modell announced he was moving the team to Baltimore. Then the team lost focus obviously and they finished 5-11.

Let's not forget that New England had to give 2 first rd picks to get Bill also

 

[khiladi]

The fact remains, Belichick was a loser of a head coach until Tom Brady arrived. He sucked in Cleveland and he sucked in New England prior to Brady.

I'd bet money he'll retire when Brady does. Otherwise, he'll get exposed. Not that he isn't a good coach, but he's nowhere near one of the greats. His teacher was twice the head coach he'll ever be.

We have Romo... He also had spy gate.. But you get my point...

 

[xwalker]

Ross Tucker Sporting News

The Dallas Cowboys should fire coach Jason Garrett whether they win on Sunday night or not.

That was my immediate reaction when the news broke this past weekend that Garrett wouldn't be brought back for another season if the 'Boys fail to make the playoffs yet again.

But should it even come down to that? I say no because I am philosophically opposed to the concept of retaining the football operations leader of a multi-billion-dollar enterprise based upon one play.

Think of it this way: If the Washington Commanders hadn't inexplicably dropped coverage on DeMarco Murray on fourth-and-goal from the 10-yard line and allowed the Cowboys to score the game-winning touchdown Sunday, the Eagles would have clinched the division. Under that scenario, Garrett would be as good as gone if published reports are to be believed.

That makes no sense at all. Can you imagine General Electric or Apple or Goldman Sachs or any other business making a determination that significant based on a ridiculously small and arbitrary sample size? Of course not. That's why the Cowboys shouldn't make the determination in that manner either.

Read the rest: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2013-12-24/jason-garrett-cowboys-future-jerry-jones-tony-tomo

I don't think Garrett will get fired. I don't think the win/loss record is a determining factor. IMO, they only reason that Jerry would fire him is if Jerry thought the players quit on Garrett. Players quitting on Wade was the reason he got fired, not the win/loss record.

Garrett is Jerry's project and firing him would require Jerry to acknowledge failure of his own decision. Jerry has said numerous times that one of his biggest regrets was firing Gailey to soon.

That was my immediate reaction when the news broke this past weekend that Garrett wouldn't be brought back for another season if the 'Boys fail to make the playoffs yet again.

That "news" is just media speculation. Does anyone really believe that Jerry told someone his plans?

 

[BigD5]

The fact remains, Belichick was a loser of a head coach until Tom Brady arrived. He sucked in Cleveland and he sucked in New England prior to Brady.

I'd bet money he'll retire when Brady does. Otherwise, he'll get exposed. Not that he isn't a good coach, but he's nowhere near one of the greats. His teacher was twice the head coach he'll ever be.

Hahahaha

Yes he's clearly living off the successes of a 6th round draft pick. Never mind they won their SBs off the back of their defenses and only went 11-5 the year Brady tore his ACL

 

[Risen Star]

For the purposes of this thread, I'm thinking he's just referring to him as the head coach....to which he is kinda the head of football operations.

All unrelated to personnel and other stuff

Yeah but I don't like how he's calling him the head of operations and then asking would any other company do that. Well, I don't know. Are we talking about the actual head of their operations or incorrectly applying that title to a lower level employee?

Jason Garrett isn't even the head of his own locker room.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'd bet money he'll retire when Brady does. Otherwise, he'll get exposed. Not that he isn't a good coach, but he's nowhere near one of the greats. His teacher was twice the head coach he'll ever be.

LMAO.

 

[Dodger12]

So I guess this bullet point from his resume prior to Jones hiring him as offensive coordinator is not as impressive?

He entered the coaching profession in February of 2005 as the quarterbacks coach for Nick Saban's first Miami Dolphins club. While in Miami, Garrett capably handled the challenge of having to work with five different starting quarterbacks over the course of 32 regular season games. In 2005 Miami quarterbacks threw 22 touchdowns with just 16 interceptions. Their plus-six differential was the team's best since the 1998 season when they were a plus-seven (23-16). In 2006 Garrett managed three starting quarterbacks for an offensive unit that produced four pass receivers who each had at least 55 receptions. It marked the first time in club history that four different receivers had at least 55 catches.

You do realize he was Aikman's de facto "QB coach" when he was his back-up. I don't see that anywhere on his resume.

 

[khiladi]

I'm sure Garrett was responsible for developing Gus Frerotte... Garrett is a master alright, a master of taking credit for other people's work.

 

[BigD5]

And that chance figures to occur somewhere with a sane owner and an actual chance to succeed.

I realize we're supposed to demonize Garrett as all that ails the Cowboys right now but any fan with a clue knows that coaching has not been and is not the issue. It's the environment the coaches reside in in Dallas and the pieces given those coaches that is the problem. And that has nothing to do with Jason Garrett.

But hey, fire Garrett. I can feel a title right around the corner if we can just find a head coach that doesn't hold us back.

I agree that Coach Jerry is the main problem in Dallas. However, how many games did Garrett's coaching directly result in losses this season alone?

What would our record be if that sorry Bill Belichick was our coach? Better yet, how many games would Belichick have cost us this season?