Twice as many game ending INTs since 2006

TheIceman said:
Hey like i said, I was just going off the top of my head here, but now that it's been brought up I watched the play and it was a REALLY bad throw. WR completely covered. Sure its 4th down, he has to throw it blah blah blah...still a terrible pass. Anyway, i see you completely ignored the 3 INT game against Washington last year, which really just proves my point that even if you take away one pick late in the game for this excuse or that one, there's always another one. It's as much his M.O. as his comebacks are.
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actually it was a bad play. Even a great throw in that situation is an incomplete at best. I am not ignoring romo's other int's. Just don't use that game to throw Romo under the bus. Our defense was terrible and we went away from running MBIII which was working. Not to mention the total collapse of our offensive line in the second half.
 
JoeyBoy718 said:
I know there's this myth that Romo is more clutch than choke. Well, on First Take they just read an interesting stat. Romo has thrown 7 INTs in the final minutes of the 4th quarter with a small lead or the game tied. That's more than twice as many as any other QB since 2006.
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That's not what the stat was -- it referred only to losses. Other QBs have thrown just as many interceptions in those situations, but if their defense makes a stop afterward and they don't lose the game, it's not included in that stat. Our defense is just incapable of stepping up and preserving the lead.
 
Are people really running with this miss leading stat? Lmao, Shame on the op! I guarantee he knows what he's doing, purposely miss leading the masses because they're waiting on something to rip Romo for. Want to talk about his QB rating or TDs in that same span? I'll give you a hint, he's first. :cool:

Thread like these really irk me, especially when they're very misleading and masses buy into this gibberish without doing some research theirselves.
 
TheIceman said:
http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=331215006

Right hand side of the page all the way down. If you click on the + sign you can see the other quarterbacks below him (Fitzpatrick, Schuab, Henne, Rothlisberger tied with 4 in that span). Btw It's since 2006 (When Romo became a starter).
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Yup found it. I also found that in the same scenario Romo has 20 touchdowns to go along with his 7 interceptions. The next closest is Aaron Rodgers with 13.

http://www.pro-football-reference.c...ult=&margin_min=0&margin_max=7&order_by=yards
 
ufcrules1 said:
Yeah, I think by now we know the defense is horrendous.. but what on earth is the offenses excuse? They are 100% healthy. We played a pathetic Packers team yesterday and we had to settle for what.. 5 or 6 field goals. Some of those should have been touchdowns. Romo was under throwing Dez over and over too.
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We settled for 35+ points. All other teams in the NFL are 51-2 when that happens this year.
 
AdamJT13 said:
That's not what the stat was -- it referred only to losses. Other QBs have thrown just as many interceptions in those situations, but if their defense makes a stop afterward and they don't lose the game, it's not included in that stat. Our defense is just incapable of stepping up and preserving the lead.
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Thanks for the voice of reason.
 
dstovall5 said:
Are people really running with this miss leading stat? Lmao, Shame on the op! I guarantee he knows what he's doing, purposely miss leading the masses because they're waiting on something to rip Romo for. Want to talk about his QB rating or TDs in that same span? I'll give you a hint, he's first. :cool:

Thread like these really irk me, especially when they're very misleading and masses buy into this gibberish without doing some research theirselves.
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ya it's lazy and too easy to place blame like that.
 
JoeyBoy718 said:
The point of the stat is "costly" INTs that dropped a team's win probability by more than 20%. This has nothing to do with Brady vs Romo. This has to do with the stat. Typically, when you're losing (especially yesterday's conditions for Brady... 1 min left, down by 5, 85 yards to go) you have a very low probability of winning. Throwing an INT might drop a 3% win probability to 0% but it isn't that "costly" according to the stat. In Romo's case, on the first INT, Dallas had a 95% chance of winning and Romo's INT dropped it down to 70%. The defense's failure to stop them on the next drive dropped it very low, but then Romo's final INT dropped it another 20% down to 0%.
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The problem with win probability is it's not a context neutral statistic. For instance if Brady had throw his interception on 1st down instead of 4th down WPA punishes him more for the interception. That's because his probability of winning is higher when he's got a first down instead of a fourth down. Yet the end result is the same.

People who like to use WPA as a statistic (not me) realize this. That's why in general it is kept as a running total instead of looking at an individual play. Each play where Brady completes a pass to drive down the field would increase the win probability which would mitigate some of the hit he takes for throwing the pick.

The more logical way to measure whether Romo is "clutch" using WPA, which I emphasize that I think is very flawed, is to take into account all factors including TDs thrown, yards gained, drives stalled ect. There is no logical reason to focus only on the interceptions.

Based on the natural media's track record my suspicion is that this measurement would not back up their talking points to be discussed on first take. Thus they knowingly chop the data leaving out key data points that also contribute to wins and losses.
 
AdamJT13 said:
That's not what the stat was -- it referred only to losses. Other QBs have thrown just as many interceptions in those situations, but if their defense makes a stop afterward and they don't lose the game, it's not included in that stat. Our defense is just incapable of stepping up and preserving the lead.
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I trying to figure this discrepancy out yesterday. The little blurb didn't mention it was only in losses.

Thank you I appreciate the research.
 
I knew it was only a matter of time before the LOOK AT ROMO RATINGS IN THE FOURTH QUARTER Brigade showed back up.


Keep telling yourself that Romo is the best clutch QB in the history of the NFL next time he freaking throws an INT in another Do-or-Die situation.

The rest of us have seen it far too often and are sick of it.
 
JoeyBoy718 said:
I know there's this myth that Romo is more clutch than choke. Well, on First Take they just read an interesting stat. Romo has thrown 7 INTs in the final minutes of the 4th quarter with a small lead or the game tied. That's more than twice as many as any other QB since 2006. There's no defending the man as not being a choke artist. Two INTs in the final four minutes of yesterday's game. A bad throw to a wide open Miles and a poor decision to throw to Beasley who wasn't open.
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Probably because Romo is always having to throw? With this defense, no lead is safe. Here is a stat I just read. This season Dallas is 1-2 when scoring more than 35 points. The rest of the league is 53-2, and you guys still come here and blame Romo?
 
beevomav said:
Probably because Romo is always having to throw? With this defense, no lead is safe. Here is a stat I just read. This season Dallas is 1-2 when scoring more than 35 points. The rest of the league is 53-2, and you guys still come here and blame Romo?
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So they only scored 35 three times...
 
Just curious for all the Romo lovers. Have we always had the worst defense in NFL history? It seems to always be everyone's fault but Romo's. I was just going back through the years looking at defensive rankings.

2012: 19th ranked defensed. Missed playoffs. Epic choke job in Week 17.
2011: 14th ranked defense. Missed playoffs. Epic choke job in Week 17.
2010: 23rd ranked defense. Missed playoffs. Romo went 1-7. Kitna went 5-3.
2009: 9th ranked defense. Finished 11-5. Beat Eagles in playoffs. Lost 32-3 in second round to Vikings. But I'm sure it wasn't Romo's fault.
2008: 8th ranked defense. Finished 7-9. Missed playoffs. But I'm sure it wasn't Romo's fault.
2007: 9th ranked defense. Finished 13-3. Lost to Giants in playoffs. Sure it wasn't Romo's fault.
2006: 13th ranked defense. Finished 9-7. Lost to Seahawks in playoffs. Definitely not Romo's fault.

So 4 years with a near top 10 defense (9, 8, 9, 13) and he went 1-4 in the playoffs. But it wasn't his fault. And in 2008 he had his highest rated defense ever and went 7-9.
 
JoeyBoy718 said:
Just curious for all the Romo lovers. Have we always had the worst defense in NFL history? It seems to always be everyone's fault but Romo's. I was just going back through the years looking at defensive rankings.

2012: 19th ranked defensed. Missed playoffs. Epic choke job in Week 17.
2011: 14th ranked defense. Missed playoffs. Epic choke job in Week 17.
2010: 23rd ranked defense. Missed playoffs. Romo went 1-7. Kitna went 5-3.
2009: 9th ranked defense. Finished 11-5. Beat Eagles in playoffs. Lost 32-3 in second round to Vikings. But I'm sure it wasn't Romo's fault.
2008: 8th ranked defense. Finished 7-9. Missed playoffs. But I'm sure it wasn't Romo's fault.
2007: 9th ranked defense. Finished 13-3. Lost to Giants in playoffs. Sure it wasn't Romo's fault.
2006: 13th ranked defense. Finished 9-7. Lost to Seahawks in playoffs. Definitely not Romo's fault.

So 4 years with a near top 10 defense (9, 8, 9, 13) and he went 1-4 in the playoffs. But it wasn't his fault. And in 2008 he had his highest rated defense ever and went 7-9.
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Are you really using yardage as a way of measuring defense?
 
DIAF said:
I knew it was only a matter of time before the LOOK AT ROMO RATINGS IN THE FOURTH QUARTER Brigade showed back up.
Keep telling yourself that Romo is the best clutch QB in the history of the NFL next time he freaking throws an INT in another Do-or-Die situation.

The rest of us have seen it far too often and are sick of it.
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Just curious, how many times in his career has this stupid porous defense put Romo in this situations? Having to come back and try and win a game? It sure seems that he is put in this position more than any other QB I swear. I don't even know how you would research that but already this year he has been put in these do or die situations a lot.
I think Brady has 3 games this year where he closed it out with an INT. They have won a lot of close ones.
 
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