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Two main reasons why Dallas needs to secure Dak long term

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by J12B, Aug 3, 2020.

  1. CouchCoach

    CouchCoach Well-Known Member

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    There are some that would disagree with you about the purpose of playing the game, it has become more entertainment than football.

    I accept it because I have no choice on something totally out of my control. You cannot accept it, which of us is frustrated. Some are holding out that we are not fans like CLE,
    DET and WAS but that is exactly what we are. Your standards of acceptance have nothing to do with anymore than mine.

    I accepted what this team was and is a long time ago and know that the only thing that changes that is luck.
     
  2. doomsday9084

    doomsday9084 Well-Known Member

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    I'm strongly on the "Don't pay Dak" bandwagon but if the Cowboys get a SB and then have to eat a massive contract for 4 years and cut the rest of the good players in preparation for a rebuild, I would gladly take it.

    I also have to note that I think the team is pretty good and plays an easy schedule. I think a mediocre QB could get them to the playoffs. If they actually miss the playoffs, that means the team surrounding Dak isn't that good. #1 is bad for a bunch of reasons.

    #2 easily.
     
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  3. JJHLH1

    JJHLH1 Well-Known Member

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    After 25 years of futility this question is easy - 2.
     
  4. Nav22

    Nav22 Well-Known Member

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    What a weird post.

    You’d take a favorable cap situation (and no QB) over a Super Bowl victory?

    AND you’d assume that “everyone” would agree with you?????
    :lmao2::huh:
     
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  5. jazzcat22

    jazzcat22 Well-Known Member

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    Dak being a proven winning QB is far better getting him long term. Than to use a high pick on an unknown.
    Even Joe Burrow is unknown at this time.

    all depends on how the season goes for a contract next year, then also depends on Dak, does he still want to dig in at 4 years or will he go with a 5 year deal. Same can be said for the team FO, will they still want a 5 year as opposed to settle for a 4 year.

    Right now, I’m just focusing on this season. Next year is next year. No going to waste any brain cells over it.
     
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  6. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member

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    The option to sign Dak long term is not even possible right now.
    This becomes a topic next Spring.
     
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  7. OmerV

    OmerV Well-Known Member

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    Way to go - you cherry picked what you wanted to quote.

    Let's ignore that 2 of those appearances were well before the 12 year time period I wrote about, so you are arguing using irrelevant info.

    And let's ignore that of the two that were within the time frame, the team went 6-10 and 8-7-1 the next year, so yes, what I said about the team being unable to build with a consistent QB situation actually did prove to apply.

    And let's forget that with the Vikes having 8 QBs in 12 years they were incapable of building and sustaining, or even having the chance to find out if building and sustaining was even possible.

    Or that in 6 of the 12 years I spoke of the Vikes had a record of 8 wins or less.

    But congratulations, you have the basics down to be a tabloid journalist.
     
  8. DFWJC

    DFWJC Well-Known Member

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    Yeah. That was incredibly bizarre.
     
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  9. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    I think a long term deal makes it easier to manage the cap and having long term deal gives stability to an important position. Dak has chosen to play on a tag this year so the pressure is on him to prove himself.
     
  10. plasticman

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    Whoops.

    I screwed this one up, sorry.

    I would choose #2!! I would not choose #1.

    And most of you guys figured I was crazy. Nope, just dumb for not proofreading it.

    Ever hear the quote, "A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush.?" Choice #2 is you get a Super Bowl! That is what it is all about, winning championships.

    And you know what? This means that Dak did everything you doubters claimed he couldn't do. Not only that. He did it once so there is no reason to believe he can't do it again. Why? Because he already did it once!!!

    For those who are thinking about drafting a quarterback at the top of round 1 by trading away 3 years of draft picks, at least two #1's, because that is what it will take, this does not guarantee the next Payton Manning/Aaron Rodgers, whatever.

    For a team that was initially disappointed in not getting Johnny Manziel or Paxton Lynch, there is no reason to believe that they don't wind up with the next Ryan Leaf, Art Schlichter, Heath Shuler, Andre Ware, Kelly Stouffer, Akili Smith.........

    Who are these guys some of you may ask?,,,,,,Exactly!
     
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  11. jsb357

    jsb357 Well-Known Member

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    My point was don't cast stones at other teams without
    talking about what GM Jerry has been up to since 95'.

    On the field the results have been miserable.
     
  12. OmerV

    OmerV Well-Known Member

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    I didn't say Jerry has done a great job the last 25 years, I merely said consistency with a QB a team believes in provides a chance to see if something can be built as opposed to a team playing musical QB for years and years.
     
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  13. 408Cowboy

    408Cowboy Well-Known Member

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    There's absolutely no reason not to take the Lombardi.
     
  14. Rockport

    Rockport AmberBeer Zone Supporter

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    Obviously #2. Duh.
     
  15. Hawkeye0202

    Hawkeye0202 Well-Known Member

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    #2 easy......embarrasses me to even answer
     
  16. ClappingCarrot

    ClappingCarrot Well-Known Member

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    Wow - what an incredibly original topic.
     
  17. plasticman

    plasticman Well-Known Member

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    You haven;t seen him win cluch games lately.....as in last season? During the four seasons he has been in this league 28 QB's have thrown a minimum of 1000 pass attempts, including Dak.

    He is tied for 2nd in game winning drives, 14, one in back of Drew Brees. This means that 21.9% of all the games he started required a game winning drive.

    Dak is in 5th place for come from behind victories with 8 during that four year period. This is with Dak starting as a rookie so we are talking about his entire career so far. The guys in the first four spots have from 2 to 15 more years of experience.

    In the 2016 division playoff game against the Packers, the Cowboys got behind by 18 points. With 35 seconds left in the 4th quarter the game was tied after Dak threw 3 TD passes.

    We have seen more clutch plays from Dak than all other QB's other than a few first ballot Hall of Famers.
     
  18. Captain-Crash

    Captain-Crash Well-Known Member

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    get the greedy ******* off our team.
     
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  19. plasticman

    plasticman Well-Known Member

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    As predicted, some chose #1 including me, by accident, but that isn't the point. I don't have an issue with the priority of winning championships, I just have an issue with posting something during insomnia.

    Some of you chose the option of getting rid of Dak after another failed season over winning a championship and giving him the contract he wants. I don't understand. Have you also been up way too long?

    When you watch the games during any particular season, what outcome do you hope for? As a Cowboy fan, is winning the game important? If you criticize a Cowboy player because you don't think he is good enough, would you rather be right or would you rather be wrong? What gives you more satisfaction, the Cowboys winning or being able to inform everybody how right you were?

    Here is the most important reality in all of this.....the Dallas Cowboys could win the Super Bowl. You may think it improbable, but it certainly isn't impossible. It could happen.

    They do have immense offensive talent and likely sufficient defensive talent. They do have experienced Super Bowl winning coaching. At the very least, they do have a top ten QB according to almost every single metric used to measure this.

    Either scenario is absolutely possible. Then what? We hand him over to another team and search for another QB who can ......do exactly what Dak did??
     
  20. buybuydandavis

    buybuydandavis Well-Known Member

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    A friends nephew: "I want a cookie."
    "It will ruin your dinner."
    Nephew: "I *need* a cookie."

    Need is magic rhetoric for something you want.

    Sure, I want to have Dak signed. I'd also want the cap that would take for other uses. And a pony. I need a pony.

    I expect Dak is going to regret not signing this year, as years of contracts were negotiated with the expectation of ever expanding caps, while the cap is *lowering*. Next year should see a collapse in free agent salaries. A *lot* fewer dollars chasing the usual number of players.

    Add that to a long term trend of an expanding supply of QBs through QBs playing until they're older, and college producing more NFL ready QBs, and QB salaries should collapse.

    I wouldn't be surprised if we're the last team to buy into the QB bubble. But if not, it will be interesting to see how they dance around Dak taking a contract *lower* than he was offered this year.

    Teams who do have cash to spend in free agency next year should be able to amass a lot of short term talent on the cheap. Could be a good year to sell out on Win Now.
     

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