Tyrone Crawford ticks me off

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This is likely his credited QB hit in the Rams game:

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Hits the QB under 3 seconds, pressure under 2.5.

This one is also probably counted as a hurry because he moved the QB before he finished his drop:
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This is likely his credited QB hit in the Rams game:

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Hits the QB under 3 seconds, pressure under 2.5.

This one is also probably counted as a hurry because he moved the QB before he finished his drop:
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Looks like he is doing exactly what PFF said, dominating Joseph.
 

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i think crawford has played well so far. coming off injury with little experience i have been pleased with what i've seen. i think some think every player is either a super star or a bust. thats not the way it works folks.
 

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John Lennon said, "I'm an artist, and if you give me a tuba, I'll bring you something out of it." It shouldn't matter where Crawford is. If he were a playmaker, he would produce. He isn't a playmaker. He is a journeyman in this league.

I don't know...I"d say he's bringing you something for your tuba in those clips hairic posted above. Bear in mind, we don't know what Lennon might have done with that tuba. It might have been another Yellow-Sumbarine-level abomination.
 

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I don't know...I"d say he's bringing you something for your tuba in those clips hairic posted above. Bear in mind, we don't know what Lennon might have done with that tuba. It might have been another Yellow-Sumbarine-level abomination.

If those are his two best plays of the year, he isn't a play maker. Almost getting there isn't the same as getting there.
 

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I disagree. Crawford never showed me anything more than a JAG. Just a good rotational player. Now with Melton still nursing an injury I doubt we get 30 sacks.

If Melton continues thus injury all year we do not need to pick up his option and let him walk and save the cash.

Hopefully crawford will prove me wrong. Hope he does but people were putting him up alot higher than he ever proved to be. Especially coming off a missed year from a torn Achilles.

Well, I understand where you're coming from but I've personally watched him play as well as the film. He's very strong. Very. But he does depend on his bull rush too much so I hope he develops a swim outside and some inside moves. He'll never turn the corner like a WDE but he has some lean. He's a steady player who can man the SDE and play some inside.

Look at some point for a Nickel of Spencer SDE, Crawford 1/3, Melton 3/1, and Lawrence/Selvie/others WDE. We have some other DL who can line up inside or outside as well and some interior players who can play 1/3.

We need some health here as well as LB. I thought our weakest link would be the DL and that may be true. However, I think DB is going to be the problematic area at the end of the year.
 

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Tyrone Crawford, DLE: +3.7

Breakdown: After an outstanding outing as a pass rusher against the Titans (+4.3, one hit and five hurries) Crawford put in a more complete performance against the Rams. He had a hit and three hurries on just 25 hurries dominating Davin Joseph on stunts in particular. Crawford also recorded the best run defense grade (+2.1) making a pair of stops along the way. Cap problems have forced a reshuffle on the Cowboys’ line and they need their drafted players to take up the mantle.

Signature Stat: Crawford is currently second in pass rush productivity behind Cameron Wake. His three hits and eight hurries (13.8 PRP) leave him only eighth overall in terms of total pressure but he’s done his damage on just 60 snaps.

I wish people would stop just looking at sacks.

Nice retort with fact to back.
 

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If those are his two best plays of the year, he isn't a play maker. Almost getting there isn't the same as getting there.

Those weren't necessarily his two best plays. The point was--to your analogy--while an artist might bring you *something* out of nothing, he's not necessarily going to bring you something that's as good as he might do in optimal circumstances.

I think Crawford's been 'pretty good' overall. I've noticed him applying some pressure all three weeks. He isn't dominating anybody yet, but doesn't mean he's not playing well, or that he's consigned to being JAG his whole career. In fact, one of the things I'm most looking forward to this week is seeing how he and Anthony Spencer play with Crawford mostly inside and Spencer finally getting some snaps in this defense. Stopping that Saints running game and getting at least some pressure without blitzing a CB is going to go a long ways towards containing that Saints passing game if we can manage it.
 

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If those are his two best plays of the year, he isn't a play maker. Almost getting there isn't the same as getting there.

Hiya Bob. How's the air up there? I love me some sacks but pressure is necessary and any works well. Out of 800 snaps expect 30 sacks so don't hold your breath. Hits and hurries count and the more the better. I wish they'd include batted down balls, deflected balls, throwaways, and poor passes in that category but too much subjective work I guess.
 

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Crawford is the best D-lineman on the team by far. Only player in the entire group who is even above average.
 

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Those weren't necessarily his two best plays. The point was--to your analogy--while an artist might bring you *something* out of nothing, he's not necessarily going to bring you something that's as good as he might do in optimal circumstances.

I think Crawford's been 'pretty good' overall. I've noticed him applying some pressure all three weeks. He isn't dominating anybody yet, but doesn't mean he's not playing well, or that he's consigned to being JAG his whole career. In fact, one of the things I'm most looking forward to this week is seeing how he and Anthony Spencer play with Crawford mostly inside and Spencer finally getting some snaps in this defense. Stopping that Saints running game and getting at least some pressure without blitzing a CB is going to go a long ways towards containing that Saints passing game if we can manage it.

I would say he's pretty good, as well. I just don't see him as a playmaker. He hasn't flashed it yet, and probably won't. I like the guy, but I just think guys like him are a dime a dozen in this league.

Hiya Bob. How's the air up there? I love me some sacks but pressure is necessary and any works well. Out of 800 snaps expect 30 sacks so don't hold your breath. Hits and hurries count and the more the better. I wish they'd include batted down balls, deflected balls, throwaways, and poor passes in that category but too much subjective work I guess.

Been flying my couch the last couple of days, but I'm not complaining! I'm not saying he's a terrible player, by any means, just saying there are 50 guys just like him in the NFL. He isn't a playmaker, and that's OK.
 

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Those weren't necessarily his two best plays. The point was--to your analogy--while an artist might bring you *something* out of nothing, he's not necessarily going to bring you something that's as good as he might do in optimal circumstances.

I think Crawford's been 'pretty good' overall. I've noticed him applying some pressure all three weeks. He isn't dominating anybody yet, but doesn't mean he's not playing well, or that he's consigned to being JAG his whole career. In fact, one of the things I'm most looking forward to this week is seeing how he and Anthony Spencer play with Crawford mostly inside and Spencer finally getting some snaps in this defense. Stopping that Saints running game and getting at least some pressure without blitzing a CB is going to go a long ways towards containing that Saints passing game if we can manage it.

This always gets back to applying pressure across the line. One guy isn't going to do a lot. You can game that. But when you are getting pressure all over then each play brings opportunity to break it down at different points.

If you look at the great DLs you will see the one consistency is pressure comes from any point and often multiple points most plays. This is when you go from 24-35 sacks to 40-60 sacks. You can't game it much.

We have the SDEs in Crawford and Spencer. We should have the 3 in Melton. We need a dependable 1/3, another 3, and we have to find a WDE who can rush from the 5-8. Selvie is what I'd refer to as a quality backup almost good WDE. Lawrence is unknown.

We'd get more pressure/hurries/hits/sacks with better back 7 play esp the DBs.
 

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I would say he's pretty good, as well. I just don't see him as a playmaker. He hasn't flashed it yet, and probably won't. I like the guy, but I just think guys like him are a dime a dozen in this league.



Been flying my couch the last couple of days, but I'm not complaining! I'm not saying he's a terrible player, by any means, just saying there are 50 guys just like him in the NFL. He isn't a playmaker, and that's OK.

So how does the couch land? :) I think he's better than serviceable and may turn out to be a good SDE who can play some 1/3 esp in the Nickel. But we can agree to disagree. I saw a nice old Mooney the other day and a 182RG that I thought was mine for a minute. Wrong number same paint. Wish I'd never sold that one.
 

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I would say he's pretty good, as well. I just don't see him as a playmaker. He hasn't flashed it yet, and probably won't. I like the guy, but I just think guys like him are a dime a dozen in this league.

Maybe not a dime a dozen. He's got a chance, at least, to continue to develop and to become an impact player (with or without big stats), but I agree that he's not special and that there are a lot of guys in his position on various teams trying to get to the next level and to really be impactful.

This always gets back to applying pressure across the line. One guy isn't going to do a lot. You can game that. But when you are getting pressure all over then each play brings opportunity to break it down at different points.

If you look at the great DLs you will see the one consistency is pressure comes from any point and often multiple points most plays. This is when you go from 24-35 sacks to 40-60 sacks. You can't game it much.

We have the SDEs in Crawford and Spencer. We should have the 3 in Melton. We need a dependable 1/3, another 3, and we have to find a WDE who can rush from the 5-8. Selvie is what I'd refer to as a quality backup almost good WDE. Lawrence is unknown.

We'd get more pressure/hurries/hits/sacks with better back 7 play esp the DBs.

I think this is about exactly right. If you've got guys who can make sure every OL has his hands full, then you need to win one or two battles in five on every snap to get some pressure. As it is, if you're not able to realistically threaten from more than one or two positions, it's pretty easy for the offense to figure out where to chip or to call plays around where you get pressure. So it is a cumulative effect when you really do have a DL that can apply pressure from all four spots. Or at least three of the four spots. We're far from that.

First things first, though. Some better gap control. A DL where we've got less drop off between player 4 and player 5-8. Maybe get lucky with Spencer and/or Lawrence and have Crawford continue to develop and start generating more pressure as the year goes on. Keep a healthy LB in the lineup for more than two games, back:back. One can only hope. :)
 

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Some here poo poo the website, but I believe PFF has Crawford as our best DL thus far this year. Granted, that's not saying a whole lot.
 

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I got jumped on this site this summer when everyone on here was talking Crawford up and expecting him to be great. I didn't under why people thought he would be great. He has never done anything in the nfl, never. Some people just like to have false hope in players

I think Crawford is playing just lik I thought he would. Just another guy. Nothing great but nothing terrible.

You are obviously wrong

Crawford is behind only Ben Bass in his productivity

After Bass was traded, Crawford has been the only thing keeping this defense competitive
 

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You are obviously wrong

Crawford is behind only Ben Bass in his productivity

After Bass was traded, Crawford has been the only thing keeping this defense competitive

If this is all you're going to do at this site and not post something other than sarcastic snark giving that the benefit of doubt, then perhaps this isn't the best place for you. You may consider this a rare but public warning. Videte et cavete.
 

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Sometimes, when one is walking through a diamond mine in Arkansas, he needs to first know where the mine is located. Then he might appreciate insider information as to where the better spots are to look. And then, he might appreciate the identification skills to notice when he has in fact come upon a diamond. With actual size being an actually better standard once what one is searching, is past a search stage.

Surprisingly, today's conditions for the defensive side of the ball, is pretty similar to what Dallas observed when Jimmy Johnson was starting out with 'ol Jerry, and Jimmy pulled off a deal where Dave Wannestedt came to the Cowboys from Miami along with David Shula. Don Shula allowed Wannestedt to accompany David Shula so that his son would get a chance with a team as an Offensive Coordinator.

Wannestedt was of a blue collar personality. He thought you treat people honestly, you work your *** off, and you're tough. Nothing comes easy. You grind it out. You try to convince your guys how much more successful they can be if they just give everything they have.

Forget the talent, if they don't play hard, you'll have problems.

When Wannestedt arrived under Jimmy in Dallas, that talent was longer on work ethic and emotion than first round talent. Tom Landry's flex no longer had a home in Dallas. Though both were 4-3, they were different. Wannestedt and the current defensive scheme, are a flip of the flex.

The flex was a stop and read. The current and Wannestedt type, was a read on the run.

No stars, no mystique.

You shade and shoot gaps instead of controlling them. Speed. Quickness.

Your ends crush upfield. Linebackers gang tackle. Safeties play like linebackers.

Rod Marinelli is just like the early version of Dave Wannestedt. Strength is achieved by placing the right guy in the right place and making him understand exactly what has to be done to beat an opponent.

Players respond because they believe in their coach.

Just like when Wannestedt arrived, as is the case with Marinelli, the one thing that is needed for a Super Bowl, is a pass rusher who could be counted upon no matter what. Wannestedt was served up Charles Haley. Marinelli is still in his search for a similar talent now. We all are hoping that Lawrence is the next to fill the mold of a Haley or Demarcus Ware. But that is what is needed most, to turn that corner for a dominant defense.
 
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So how does the couch land? :) I think he's better than serviceable and may turn out to be a good SDE who can play some 1/3 esp in the Nickel. But we can agree to disagree. I saw a nice old Mooney the other day and a 182RG that I thought was mine for a minute. Wrong number same paint. Wish I'd never sold that one.

I have a little bit of time in a couple of various Mooney's. I instructed a guy in a Mooney Rocket, that thing was amazing. It was properly named, that's for sure. I flew a G1000 182 from Dallas to Vegas and back. Something like 18 hours round trip. My *** hurt after that. I preferred the 182RG, though.
 

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I disagree. Crawford never showed me anything more than a JAG. Just a good rotational player. Now with Melton still nursing an injury I doubt we get 30 sacks.

If Melton continues thus injury all year we do not need to pick up his option and let him walk and save the cash.

Hopefully crawford will prove me wrong. Hope he does but people were putting him up alot higher than he ever proved to be. Especially coming off a missed year from a torn Achilles.

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He's getting there, it's just game 3 coming off an injury.....
 
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