UDFA thread

speedkilz88 said:
All the reports on him say that he runs like a rb with the ball in his hands.
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There's a big difference between running like an RB in space and running like an RB in the heavy traffic between the tackles. You have to see the holes form quickly and have the burst to get through them. There are RBs who are moved to receiver because of their ability to operate in space, but I can't think of many WRs who move to RB.
 
gimmesix said:
I apologize. I did not realize that i had become a Commanders fan by being concerned about the running back position.

If I'm also concerned about the interior defensive line depth, what does that make me?
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Non scheme oriented. Rushmen rush from the interior as well. DE's will move inside on the majority of passing down. DTs play about 1 down per series, usually 1st down.
 
SilverStarCowboy said:
Non scheme oriented. Rushmen rush from the interior as well. DE's will move inside on the majority of passing down. DTs play about 1 down per series, usually 1st down.
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Yeah, I was partially kidding about the DL. I think Mincey will rush from the inside on third downs and at least Terrell McClain can rotate with Tyrone Crawford, if another 3-tech doesn't emerge from Coleman, Whaley, et al. I though Jack Crawford also looked good in his brief appearance at the 3-tech. I would love to have a stud 1-tech, but it's at least the one position on the line where we can get by with players who can tie up blockers. Would love to see someone like Ken Bishop emerge there, though, as a true pile pusher.

So we're looking at:

RDE Hardy (after suspension), Mincey, Gregory
3-tech T. Crawford, T. McClain, Whaley, Coleman, J. Crawford, Mincey
NT Brent, Hayden, T. McClain, Bishop
LDE Mincey, Lawrence, Gardner, Russell

We also have Boatright and Edwards as possibilities, so while we'll likely need to continue upgrading the line next year (focusing on the interior), we'll get to find out this year if it's necessary. Players like Whaley and Bishop might keep it being necessary, which would be fantastic, but if they don't we're not in such dire need that the interior will collapse if they fail. We have lots of mix and match pieces.
 
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gimmesix said:
No. The difference was our dedication to running the ball, which was the result of having a back who we knew could do it. Dallas was talking about commitment to running the ball before it got Linehan and definitely before it got Martin. Now, I love the Martin pick and what it does for our line, but Murray has shown he was no slouch before he came along.

We realized because of what Murray did in 2013 that we needed to run the ball more. Linehan carried that out, but most likely any coordinator we brought in would have.
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The two concepts are not mutually exclusive. It's not like the added Murray and decided the could run. They added Linehan and Martin then dedicated to the run. That is the correlation for all of your unsubstantiated stories about cause from 2013.

And who is this we? You and a mouse in your pocket? I can point to frequent pressers where Garrett says the runner is important but it starts up front and is won in the trenches. I can point to Stephen Jones at the owner's meeting talking about Murray's injury history and concern over outlier performance in a contract year.

2013 was about the emergence of Fred and Leary who first started and improved as the year went on. Murray was hurt much of that season. Again as he was in 2012.
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
The two concepts are not mutually exclusive. It's not like the added Murray and decided the could run. They added Linehan and Martin then dedicated to the run. That is the correlation for all of your unsubstantiated stories about cause from 2013.

And who is this we? You and a mouse in your pocket? I can point to frequent pressers where Garrett says the runner is important but it starts up front and is won in the trenches. I can point to Stephen Jones at the owner's meeting talking about Murray's injury history and concern over outlier performance in a contract year.

2013 was about the emergence of Fred and Leary who first started and improved as the year went on. Murray was hurt much of that season. Again as he was in 2012.
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The Cowboys said when the 2013 season ended that they were going to run the ball more, so I'm not sure where you get the idea that it took Linehan and Martin being added before they determined it. They determined it because Murray was successful whenever he was allowed to carry the ball.

I've never said it doesn't take a good line to run the ball, only that it also takes a good back. Dallas had the back and said it was going to run more before even completing the line.
 
everybody has forgotten about Efe Obada,will he be able to attend rookie camp?
 
reddyuta said:
everybody has forgotten about Efe Obada,will he be able to attend rookie camp?
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I failed to include him in my position breakdown. I will be surprised if he makes the team, though, if for no other reason than Dallas can keep him on the practice squad without risk of losing him.
 
gimmesix said:
The Cowboys said when the 2013 season ended that they were going to run the ball more, so I'm not sure where you get the idea that it took Linehan and Martin being added before they determined it. They determined it because Murray was successful whenever he was allowed to carry the ball.

I've never said it doesn't take a good line to run the ball, only that it also takes a good back. Dallas had the back and said it was going to run more before even completing the line.
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You are stretching to something that is not there. They said they were going to run the ball more and drafted Zach Martin. All this attributing cause to Murray is unsubstantiated.
 
reddyuta said:
everybody has forgotten about Efe Obada,will he be able to attend rookie camp?
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I believe so, 1st year players are allowed to as well. I'm not sure if he's considered a rookie or a 1st year player. He is in Dallas now.
 
FuzzyLumpkins said:
You are stretching to something that is not there. They said they were going to run the ball more and drafted Zach Martin. All this attributing cause to Murray is unsubstantiated.
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So, they said they were going to run more before drafting a player they weren't even going to take if Shazier was available and you attribute the plan to adding Martin?

The decision to run more had little to do with Martin. Whether they would have run as much as they did if they hadn't drafted Martin is debatable. Adding another first-round pick certainly made the decision to stick with that plan easier to do.

Again, Dallas said it was going to run the ball more at the end of the 2013 season. Why do you think that was the case if not the success that Murray had when he was handed the ball? It certainly wasn't the success Randle had running behind that same line at 3.5 YPC.
 
gimmesix said:
So, they said they were going to run more before drafting a player they weren't even going to take if Shazier was available and you attribute the plan to adding Martin?

The decision to run more had little to do with Martin. Whether they would have run as much as they did if they hadn't drafted Martin is debatable. Adding another first-round pick certainly made the decision to stick with that plan easier to do.

Again, Dallas said it was going to run the ball more at the end of the 2013 season. Why do you think that was the case if not the success that Murray had when he was handed the ball? It certainly wasn't the success Randle had running behind that same line at 3.5 YPC.
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So now you are going to try deduction? Gimme, one shred of actual proof that Murray's 2013 performance was the lynchpin of the decision. Making up unprovable stories about what the 2014 draft plan was is nothing but gratuitous story-telling.

And who is to say that Randle's 2014 performance gave them that same conviction as you attribute to Murray?

I can tell stories too: had they not drafted Martin they would have gotten guard help still later in that draft. I can wave my hands at visits and draft day interest too. Doesn't make it anything other than a guess.
 
gimmesix said:
So, they said they were going to run more before drafting a player they weren't even going to take if Shazier was available and you attribute the plan to adding Martin?

The decision to run more had little to do with Martin. Whether they would have run as much as they did if they hadn't drafted Martin is debatable. Adding another first-round pick certainly made the decision to stick with that plan easier to do.

Again, Dallas said it was going to run the ball more at the end of the 2013 season. Why do you think that was the case if not the success that Murray had when he was handed the ball? It certainly wasn't the success Randle had running behind that same line at 3.5 YPC.
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Had they drafted Shazier the plan was to get Trai Turner in the 3rd. They wouldn't have traded up for Lawrence had they got Shazier since they claimed he had pass rush ability.
 
mullet said:
@dpbrugler: #Cowboys picked up QB Brandon Bridge as an UDFA, not a bad landing spot for him. Was worth a late round draft pick IMO.
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He is there as a camp invite, not as a signed player.
 
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