UDFA thread

[speedkilz88]

My bad the Bengals signed Watson.

 

[Aliencowboy]

Zack Zenner - signed by Detriot

dreams are crushed here

 

[SportsGuru80]

I'm excited about Goodley...

 

[gimmesix]

Had they drafted Shazier the plan was to get Trai Turner in the 3rd. They wouldn't have traded up for Lawrence had they got Shazier since they claimed he had pass rush ability.

I do know we were interested in Turner, since Stephen Jones said it. I don't know exactly what the plan was.

Dallas' stated goal after 2013 was to run the ball more. I'm not sure it was stipulated in any way that the Cowboys had to have another guard to do it because they were successful running the ball when they did it in 2013.

 

[gimmesix]

So now you are going to try deduction? Gimme, one shred of actual proof that Murray's 2013 performance was the lynchpin of the decision. Making up unprovable stories about what the 2014 draft plan was is nothing but gratuitous story-telling.

And who is to say that Randle's 2014 performance gave them that same conviction as you attribute to Murray?

I can tell stories too: had they not drafted Martin they would have gotten guard help still later in that draft. I can wave my hands at visits and draft day interest too. Doesn't make it anything other than a guess.

I never said I knew what the 2014 draft plan was. The Cowboys said they would have taken Shazier if he had not been taken by Pittsburgh. I think it was clear that they were leaning toward some of the pass-rushing defenders first but took the best available in Martin. Like speedy said, it might have been in their plans once they got the pass rusher to go after Thomas, a guard. All I know on that is Stephen Jones saying, I believe, that they almost traded back into the third round to take him.

So, if Dallas' stated goal at the end of 2013 was to run the ball more (which I guess you assume I'm making up but haven't proved otherwise), what do you attribute it to if not Murray? He started 14 games (217 carries), rushed for more than 1,000 yards and averaged 5.2 yards per carry.

I think you are in such a hurry to discredit any role Murray played in the decisions and success of this team that you can't see what's in front of your eyes. Some of the rest of us understand Dallas not paying what it took to retain Murray, but are realistic enough to give him AND the line credit for his success.

As far as Randle goes, basing a game plan on a back who started no games and only carried the ball 51 times isn't very smart.

I'm going to stop discussing this now because I feel like we're hijacking a thread that is neither about the running game or Murray.

 

[UncleBlazer]

All the reports on him say that he runs like a rb with the ball in his hands.

Brugler said he was a former running back. and said 'plays WR like a fast break shooting guard'

 

[gimmesix]

So now you are going to try deduction? Gimme, one shred of actual proof that Murray's 2013 performance was the lynchpin of the decision. Making up unprovable stories about what the 2014 draft plan was is nothing but gratuitous story-telling.

And who is to say that Randle's 2014 performance gave them that same conviction as you attribute to Murray?

I can tell stories too: had they not drafted Martin they would have gotten guard help still later in that draft. I can wave my hands at visits and draft day interest too. Doesn't make it anything other than a guess.

Since you want to accuse me of making things up (without backing up anything you've said), I went looking for proof and wanted to post this as my last word on this subject in this thread. (I apologize to others in this thread for hijacking it again for a moment.)

I did fail to find exactly what I wanted, but here's what Linehan had to say about the subject, referring to when he was hired in January before any draft plans were made:

Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:13 PM CDT


IRVING, Texas – DeMarco Murray’s hot start is dominating the news cycle, and it will continue to as long as he’s ripping off 100-yard efforts.

For the guy calling the plays, the Cowboys’ commitment to the run is anything but new. Scott Linehan said the ground game was one of the main selling points from coach Jason Garrett when he took the coordinator position in Dallas all the way back in January.

“He said ‘the No. 1 thing we’re going to do is we’re going to get this run game like the old days,’” Linehan said of Garrett. “He was thinking of the days when he was wearing a uniform here. That was loud and clear, and we were all-in, I was all-in from the get-go.”

Now, my understanding is Martin was not our No. 1 option, and the only other guy we liked was a third-round pick, which you don't even know you can rely on. So, when Garrett was selling Linehan on the run game, he was selling him on the line that was in place and Murray, who proved his reliability in 2013.

So you go ahead and tell all the stories you want. I'll stick with what has been reported.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Since you want to accuse me of making things up (without backing up anything you've said), I went looking for proof and wanted to post this as my last word on this subject in this thread. (I apologize to others in this thread for hijacking it again for a moment.)

I did fail to find exactly what I wanted, but here's what Linehan had to say about the subject, referring to when he was hired in January before any draft plans were made:



Now, my understanding is Martin was not our No. 1 option, and the only other guy we liked was a third-round pick, which you don't even know you can rely on. So, when Garrett was selling Linehan on the run game, he was selling him on the line that was in place and Murray, who proved his reliability in 2013.

So you go ahead and tell all the stories you want. I'll stick with what has been reported.

Garrett specifically stating that it starts up front:

http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2015/05/02/press-conference-following-rounds-4-7

Jerry before draft saying not urgent to draft RB:

http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2015/04/28/jerry-jones-drafting-running-back-not-urgent

Stephen Jones saying that RB position not important at owners meeting.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2015/03/24/stephen-jones-were-more-committed-run-ever

I barely had to look to find exactly what I was looking for. You find something saying Linehan wants to run the ball too.

 

[gimmesix]

Garrett specifically stating that it starts up front:

http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2015/05/02/press-conference-following-rounds-4-7

Jerry before draft saying not urgent to draft RB:

http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2015/04/28/jerry-jones-drafting-running-back-not-urgent

Stephen Jones saying that RB position not important at owners meeting.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2015/03/24/stephen-jones-were-more-committed-run-ever

I barely had to look to find exactly what I was looking for. You find something saying Linehan wants to run the ball too.

This year? I never said they didn't say those things. They obviously feel that way. When was that in question?

It's just as obvious that I don't agree with them and hopes they would draft a back (and I think there's evidence that they considered it, but didn't think the position was a priority). Murray's play in 2013 led Dallas to look to commit to running the ball more ... that's what I was showing. Then, Dallas decided after 2014 that it didn't need Murray or apparently any top back for 2015 because it has that awesome line. (Apparently, you and I are discussing two different points in time.)

We'll see if it works out that way.

 

[vaturkey]

Thought this was the UDFA thread. This thread has run off the tracks has been hi jacked, blown up whatever. We have enough threads on the state of the running back situation.

 

[cowboyschmps3]

https://instagram.com/p/2OmS-wPyK5/

I read this as he’s accepted an invite to the rookie minicamp...

Yeah that's where I saw it

 

[Irvin88_4life]

So now you are going to try deduction? Gimme, one shred of actual proof that Murray's 2013 performance was the lynchpin of the decision. Making up unprovable stories about what the 2014 draft plan was is nothing but gratuitous story-telling.

And who is to say that Randle's 2014 performance gave them that same conviction as you attribute to Murray?

I can tell stories too: had they not drafted Martin they would have gotten guard help still later in that draft. I can wave my hands at visits and draft day interest too. Doesn't make it anything other than a guess.

They wanted to trade back into the 3rd and get the OG that the Panthers later drafted. .....his name escapes me right now

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They wanted to trade back into the 3rd and get the OG that the Panthers later drafted. .....his name escapes me right now

Trai Tuner. They also liked Gabe Jackson in the second round.

 

[cowboyschmps3]

Not much but Farmer lined up as rB and taking a toss

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Trai Tuner. They also liked Gabe Jackson in the second round.

Yes sir. Can't believe I forgot his name haha. Brain farts huh. Thanks for the reminder

 

[Corso]

Thought this was the UDFA thread. This thread has run off the tracks has been hi jacked, blown up whatever. We have enough threads on the state of the running back situation.

You know how long threads are... They get derailed for a moment on a tangent or to refute a specific argument by a couple posters dueling for a brief moment, but I have no doubt this guy will get back on point.

All good.

 

[poost]

Have the Cowboys addressed replacing the kick returner?

 

[speedkilz88]

Have the Cowboys addressed replacing the kick returner?

They signed Lucky Whitehead who Broaddus mentioned before the 3rd day in an article and on the air. I think one of the DBs can return also. And I wouldn't be surprised if Goodley and Farmer don't get a look.

 

[poost]

They signed Lucky Whitehead who Broaddus mentioned before the 3rd day in an article and on the air. I think DB Joel Ross can return also. And I wouldn't be surprised if Goodley and Farmer don't get a look.

Thanks. I don't know anything about these UDFA, but we do need someone to replace Harris in the return game.

 

[bodi]

Have the Cowboys addressed replacing the kick returner?

THAT UDFA HARWELL SOUNDS INTERESTING

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/nick-harwell-player