UFC 100: Take Your Pick

[QT]

Have Brock fight 20 more guys then mention his name with Fedor. You guys make me laugh. I have followed Fedor since his pride days and Fedor is just the best fighter in the world. PERIOD...

 

[CATCH17]

Have Brock fight 20 more guys then mention his name with Fedor. You guys make me laugh. I have followed Fedor since his pride days and Fedor is just the best fighter in the world. PERIOD...

Why?

He is beating guys who have way more MMA skills and experience than him already.

 

[CATCH17]

Frank Mir was never a great fighter. beating Wes Sims and Tank Abbott don't make you a great fighter. he looked like he was gonna be a great fighter but than he had that motorcycle accident. he doesn't have really good standup and he doesn't have incredible bjj. he has decent standup and good bjj. he is far from the total package because mentally he's not all there. he took Brock lightly and talked a ton of crap cause he thought he was better than what he really is.

By the looks of his body there is no way he took Brock lightly.

His confidence was all talk. You can tell just by looking at him how serious he was.

Mir may not be "great" but he is a top heavyweight right now. Probably top 3.

Lesnar beat one of the best in his weight class.

Someones always got an excuse for Lesnar winning.

Is Fedor the only guy that proves Lesnar is a top fighter?

 

[neosapien23]

Have Brock fight 20 more guys then mention his name with Fedor. You guys make me laugh. I have followed Fedor since his pride days and Fedor is just the best fighter in the world. PERIOD...

Fedor is alot like Floyd Mayweather. He has a great record and he looks great at times. However like Floyd he has not fought top competition. Against the top 2 fighters he could face (Mirko and Noguira), he won but was unable to finish the fights. If you really followed Fedor like you say you do, you would have to admit that even though he is the 1 heavyweight right now, he certainly has weaknesses. Fedor has good KO power but his standup is not crisp or refined. At least people like Randy Couture fought young fighters in their prime like Pedro Rizzo, Vitor Belfort, Josh Barnett, Chuck Liddell, etc... Brock Lesnar has already beaten Mir and Couture who are certainly top 10 heavyweights. Brock and no time for tune up fights and he fought the best available fighters. Its not his fault that he didn't waste time padding his record against scrubs Like Mayweather, I would like to see Fedor fight the best in his division. If Fedor can get past Barnett, I would like to see him sign with the UFC so he can get in the ring with Randy, Mir, Couture, and Carwin.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

By the looks of his body there is no way he took Brock lightly.

His confidence was all talk. You can tell just by looking at him how serious he was.

Mir may not be "great" but he is a top heavyweight right now. Probably top 3.

Lesnar beat one of the best in his weight class.

Someones always got an excuse for Lesnar winning.

Is Fedor the only guy that proves Lesnar is a top fighter?

Probably. But then if Lesnar wound up winning there would be a million and one excuses.

Fedor was sick.

Fedor was injuried.

Fedor was messing around to much, not taking him seriously enough.

There will always be excuses no matter what Lesnar does, or doesn't, accomplish.


And that 20 more fight comment....please. Who has Fedor fought in the last 5 years that Lesnar wouldn't beat? Tim Sylvia? Please. Lesnar would destroy him.

Andre? Lesnar would maul him too.

I don't know why people are so high on Barnett. He's solid but he's not better than the Couture or Mir so why Fedor beating up on him is supposedly going to be impressive is beyond me.

Fedor hasn't had to fight top flight competition in quite some time.

But again, that said, Fedor would likely beat Lesnar. Fedor is just that good but it's not like he's light years better than everyone else just because he's been able to pad his record in some small time places against secondary competition.

 

[Ren]

Barnett > Mir

Mir is not a top 3 HW maybe 5 but there's really not that many great HWs any more

I'd put Couture ahead of Mir as well even though he's a dinosaur

Fedor
Barnett
Brock
Couture
Mir

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Barnett > Mir

Mir is not a top 3 HW maybe 5 but there's really not that many great HWs any more

I'd put Couture ahead of Mir as well even though he's a dinosaur

Fedor
Barnett
Brock
Couture
Mir

The only difference I have there is that I think Mir and Barnett are interchangable and Couture is better than both of them.

Really I don't think Barnett is anything more impressive than Mir, he's just bigger.

 

[Rampage]

By the looks of his body there is no way he took Brock lightly.

His confidence was all talk. You can tell just by looking at him how serious he was.

Mir may not be "great" but he is a top heavyweight right now. Probably top 3.

Lesnar beat one of the best in his weight class.

Someones always got an excuse for Lesnar winning.

Is Fedor the only guy that proves Lesnar is a top fighter?

:bang2: i guess with that logic Fedor takes all his opponents lightly. he did nothing to try and change his position on the ground cause he felt Brock couldn't do anything. Mir was never and will never be a top 3 hw. it's not an excuse cause i'm a Brock fan. i've seen everyone of Mir's fights and he's not as good as you think. you get sucked into the ufc hype machine.

 

[Rampage]

The only difference I have there is that I think Mir and Barnett are interchangable and Couture is better than both of them.

Really I don't think Barnett is anything more impressive than Mir, he's just bigger.

Barnett has beaten much better fighters than Mir. Mir is an overhyped fighter in a weak weightclass.

 

[TheCount]

Just got a chance to watch UFC 100, and went pretty much as I expected, except that Belcher got robbed. Hendorson's knockout was a work of art, especially since he made it clear from the start of the fight, that was the only thing he was going to try and do.

Akiyama and Blecher had the best stand up exchanges.

Lesnar's fight wasn't particularly impressive imo, I still don't see a ton of skill, just a lot of size and strength, but I do like that he's bringing some of that WWE showmanship to the UFC, he's loving playing the Heel.

I found GSP's comments regarding going up to fight Silva pretty interesting, he said he would have to take his time and do it right, which I guess means he wouldn't expect to fight in the meantime, to avoid having to cut down at all. Or did I misunderstand him? Sounded to me like he wanted to do it, and since he said he's fighting for the challenge, sounded like he was willing to skip all other contenders if the fight was announced far enough ahead of time.

Eitherway, he dominated Alves on the ground but Alves had absolutely no game on his feet either and had plenty of opportunity to get that going, so I don't know what the deal was there.

 

[Rampage]

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index....stId=d033f129bddd5932534d1860f2c326716990cb54

:laugh2: apparently Rashad and Rampage got into a little scuffle at UFC 100.

 

[CATCH17]

:bang2: i guess with that logic Fedor takes all his opponents lightly. he did nothing to try and change his position on the ground cause he felt Brock couldn't do anything. Mir was never and will never be a top 3 hw. it's not an excuse cause i'm a Brock fan. i've seen everyone of Mir's fights and he's not as good as you think. you get sucked into the ufc hype machine.

He beat Lesnar before and regardless of all the excuses he beat Nog too.

Mir was fighting at a very high level and he was obvious in spectacular shape.

No way on earth did he take that fight lightly. It would be impossible to just based on the hype surrounding it alone.

Everything was on the line for him and it was just to much.

The heavyweight division is just not a great division in MMA. So Mir is easily a top Heavyweight currently based on whats out there.

 

[neosapien23]

He beat Lesnar before and regardless of all the excuses he beat Nog too.

Mir was fighting at a very high level and he was obvious in spectacular shape.

No way on earth did he take that fight lightly. It would be impossible to just based on the hype surrounding it alone.

Everything was on the line for him and it was just to much.

The heavyweight division is just not a great division in MMA. So Mir is easily a top Heavyweight currently based on whats out there.

Even if you are a total Frank Mir hater, there are very few fighters in the heavy weight division that are better. You could say that Fedor, Lesnar, and Barnett are easily better. The rest is all debatable. What about Mirko, Couture, and a healthy Noguira? Mir could beat them or at least give them fits. This is a weak division at it shows when a blown up light heavy like Couture (who is well past his prime at 45) is in the top 5 of the light heavies. Would Mir be in the top ten if he was a light heavy, propably not. But because of the status of the heavyweights right now, not alot can be done about it.

 

[Rampage]

Even if you are a total Frank Mir hater, there are very few fighters in the heavy weight division that are better. You could say that Fedor, Lesnar, and Barnett are easily better. The rest is all debatable. What about Mirko, Couture, and a healthy Noguira? Mir could beat them or at least give them fits. This is a weak division at it shows when a blown up light heavy like Couture (who is well past his prime at 45) is in the top 5 of the light heavies. Would Mir be in the top ten if he was a light heavy, propably not. But because of the status of the heavyweights right now, not alot can be done about it.

Mirko Crocop would knock Mir out cold

 

[DemonBlood]

Ugh. I don't think I can read these MMA threads on here anymore. Thanks guys, I was a big fan of Brock and now you UFC fanboys have made me hate him. These threads have now turned into Sherdog lite. Except for a few non nut huggers like Ramp and Ren(Even though his Brock hate is unjustified) the rest has turned into:

"UFC #1! If you don't fight for the UFC you must suck! That means Fedor sucks! OMG Lesnar is a god he beat the legend Mir! Fedor betta watch out! Josh Barnett? Who's that? DANA! DANA!"

God, I hope Mirko can somehow turn into old Cro Cop just so I can watch him kick Frank and Brocks heads off.

Then, after you guys get off his jock, I can go back to being a fan of Brock.

I'm not even a big fan of Fedor. I would much rather see old Mirko get his rematch and kick his head off too. I'm not blind though and I know Fedor is the greatest fighter alive.

 

[DemonBlood]

Also, I know i'm a CroCop fanboy...I shall never give up hope!

 

[Hostile]

Ugh. I don't think I can read these MMA threads on here anymore. Thanks guys, I was a big fan of Brock and now you UFC fanboys have made me hate him. These threads have now turned into Sherdog lite. Except for a few non nut huggers like Ramp and Ren(Even though his Brock hate is unjustified) the rest has turned into:

"UFC #1! If you don't fight for the UFC you must suck! That means Fedor sucks! OMG Lesnar is a god he beat the legend Mir! Fedor betta watch out! Josh Barnett? Who's that? DANA! DANA!"

God, I hope Mirko can somehow turn into old Cro Cop just so I can watch him kick Frank and Brocks heads off.

Then, after you guys get off his jock, I can go back to being a fan of Brock.

I'm not even a big fan of Fedor. I would much rather see old Mirko get his rematch and kick his head off too. I'm not blind though and I know Fedor is the greatest fighter alive.

Maybe it's just because it's early and I'm not quite awake yet, but this sounds like "I don't like your opinions because they don't agree with mine, so I am not going to share mine with any of you anymore until you do."

Good luck with that.

 

[DemonBlood]

Maybe it's just because it's early and I'm not quite awake yet, but this sounds like "I don't like your opinions because they don't agree with mine, so I am not going to share mine with any of you anymore until you do."

Good luck with that.

No, I don't think you're getting me. If you have ever been to Sherdog you would know what i'm trying to point out. Rampage knows that crappy board so I think he would agree. It has nothing to do with opinions because I actually agree with most here. It's hard to have intelligent MMA discussion with blind UFC fanboys though. To them UFC is MMA. It's UFC or nothing to them. It shows they know very little about the sport. Whatever Dana White tells them to think...They think.

Brock has only had 5 fights in his career and all of a sudden they think he can take Fedor. You then try to have a discussion with them about why, in your opinion, you think their being foolish and all of a sudden you get bombarded with Dana White talking points.

Brock has to be the best. He's the UFC champ! Fedor?! He doesn't fight in the UFC which means he sucks!

:laugh2:

They did the same thing with Big Tim, Andrei Arlovski and countless others.

I'm a big fan of Brock, GSP and Anderson Silva but UFC fanboys keep trying to discredit Fedor just to prop those fighters up.

 

[TheCount]

No, I don't think you're getting me. If you have ever been to Sherdog you would know what i'm trying to point out. Rampage knows that crappy board so I think he would agree. It has nothing to do with opinions because I actually agree with most here. It's hard to have intelligent MMA discussion with blind UFC fanboys though. To them UFC is MMA. It's UFC or nothing to them. It shows they know very little about the sport. Whatever Dana White tells them to think...They think.

Brock has only had 5 fights in his career and all of a sudden they think he can take Fedor. You then try to have a discussion with them about why, in your opinion, you think their being foolish and all of a sudden you get bombarded with Dana White talking points.

Brock has to be the best. He's the UFC champ! Fedor?! He doesn't fight in the UFC which means he sucks!

:laugh2:

They did the same thing with Big Tim, Andrei Arlovski and countless others.

I'm a big fan of Brock, GSP and Anderson Silva but UFC fanboys keep trying to discredit Fedor just to prop those fighters up.

So it's basically like any other sport that doesn't have unification.

Before the NFL was the NFL it was the same way, Boxing gets crap all the time for not being totally unified, before european stars started making it in the NBA, it as assumed there was no real talent outside the NBA, it goes on and on. Ask any European Soccer fan and they think MLS is useless.

 

[neosapien23]

Mirko Crocop would knock Mir out cold

You sure about that. Mirko got absolutely manhandled by Gonzaga and he got decisioned by Cheick Kongo. He like Noguira doesn't look like he did about 2-3 years ago. The old Mirko who own Mir, but I'm not sure about the fighter you see now that his a shell of himself.