UFC on FOX

[MarionBarberThe4th]

They totally botched this thing. Why they didn't do a full card, as a way to introduce fans, is completely beyond me. Heavyweight fights RARELY go the distance, so maybe they were just hoping for a knockout. Well they got one, and it showcased absolutely nothing to people that aren't familiar with the sport.



I love Reem personally, but some of that multi title stuff is partly because the UFC doesn't cross promote. The truth of the matter is regardless of what Reem has done in the past, no one would consider him #1 till he proves it in the UFC. I'd LOVE to see Reem vs JDS, and I think we will. Brock is a poser.

I read clay an Bruce leeroy put on a show. That would have been a perfect warm-up. Nothing too brutal, good athletes with varied skills

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I agree, but up until now I hadn't seen one bad moment for Cain. He was so dominant in every fight. I had never seen Dos Santos before tonight.

I think Brock Lesnar is happier than he would like to admit, because I don't think he can beat Cain. I do think he can beat Junior.

I agree.

If he doesn't do something stupid and try to stand and bang with him he could beat Junior simply because he could take him down and wear him out.

JDS does have the one weakness that he is known for tiring out.

Brock's chin seems pretty weak. I think he's in trouble if he gets past his next fight.

Could be in trouble in his next fight, let alone any beyond that.

If he remembers that he's a wrestler and ground and pounder, and not a striker, he'll do himself a lot of favors.

They'll be fine. A certain segment of the public is going to hate it no matter what happens(they think boxing is somehow totally different)

The other segment who need the free fights to become fans will get good product. And the 1 punch stoppages are part of what makes it great. You can't blink.

Should have been a bigger card though.

I agree completely on this as well.

 

[TheCount]

I read clay an Bruce leeroy put on a show. That would have been a perfect warm-up. Nothing too brutal, good athletes with varied skills

Clay fought Ben Henderson (who apparently goes by Benson Henderson now?) and yeah, it was 100x better than the JDS/Cain fight.

I agree.

If he doesn't do something stupid and try to stand and bang with him he could beat Junior simply because he could take him down and wear him out.

JDS does have the one weakness that he is known for tiring out.

I was surprised to hear Dana say this, and even more surprised to see it repeated. JDS slows down at the end of matches because his arms get tired from blasting dudes in the face for 15 minutes. People make it sound like he just gets gassed.

If JDS gets tired from throwing blows against Brock, I'll be absolutely surprised because Brock doesn't have the heart to take those kind of shots, in my opinion.

 

[Sasquatch]

While I agree that there should have bene another fight on the Fox broadcast, I think the suddenness of JDS's could have been a real selling point for the umpredictable and spectacular outcomes of MMA bouts and the awesome power of the new heavweight champion, but Dana really screwed up when he threw both Cain and Junion under the bus with his post-fight remarks. He needs to be a little more level-headed and professional in those situations.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Clay fought Ben Henderson (who apparently goes by Benson Henderson now?) and yeah, it was 100x better than the JDS/Cain fight.

I kne they didn't fight each other. I heard Henderson gets Edgar now after beating clay.

I don't know who Bruce leeroy beat, but apparently it was a good display.

I wonder if they'll correct their mistakes for the next one. The only explanation I can come up with is they didn't want to hype the 2 HW and then have people tune out b/c they think they're watching filler if the HW aren't fighting immediately

 

[TNCowboy]

I think Alistair Overreem can beat anyone

I watched his last fight, against Werdum, and it was pitiful. He wasn't beating anyone ready to fight that night, but fortunately for him, Werdum didn't want to fight.

 

[TheCount]

I kne they didn't fight each other. I heard Henderson gets Edgar now after beating clay.

I don't know who Bruce leeroy beat, but apparently it was a good display.

I wonder if they'll correct their mistakes for the next one. The only explanation I can come up with is they didn't want to hype the 2 HW and then have people tune out b/c they think they're watching filler if the HW aren't fighting immediately

My bad, I get what you were saying now.

 

[Hoofbite]

I don't see any problem with how the fight ended, it happens all the time in MMA, Kickboxing boxing and what ever else you can think of. Their mistake was making it a 1 fight card on Fox

Yeah, that was the stupid move. They should have had 2 fights at least.

You can't hinge your entire hour on hype when theres a very real possibility that the fight end as quickly as it starts.

I don't know what people expect from MMA. That two guys go in there and beat each other to a pulp for 15 straight minutes with neither guy getting caught by a good one and going out?

I'd much rather see a quick swift decisive victory than watch 4 rounds of boxing where one guy is getting thumped, only to see the guy controlling the match end the fight on some stupid cheap shot.

 

[TheCount]

Yeah, that was the stupid move. They should have had 2 fights at least.

You can't hinge your entire hour on hype when theres a very real possibility that the fight end as quickly as it starts.

I don't know what people expect from MMA. That two guys go in there and beat each other to a pulp for 15 straight minutes with neither guy getting caught by a good one and going out?

I'd much rather see a quick swift decisive victory than watch 4 rounds of boxing where one guy is getting thumped, only to see the guy controlling the match end the fight on some stupid cheap shot.

There are plenty of other potential endings than the two you've outlined here. Having one fight wasn't a bad call because of the way it ended, it was a bad call because it wasn't enough to showcase the sport on the big stage, in my opinion.

 

[Phoenix]

Ha ha ha! I had DVR'd the fight and just watched it. How pathetic. Never been in to MMA/UFC whatever before and still am not. NEVER would pay for it for sure! But to see a guy "win" the title by being allowed to beat the daylights out of his opponent while that opponent is on the mat and unable to defend himself? Priceless. What an f'ed up company you all worship. Wow. Unreal. SO happy I am not a big fan of this "sport" that is akin to WWE.

 

[realtick]

Ha ha ha! I had DVR'd the fight and just watched it. How pathetic. Never been in to MMA/UFC whatever before and still am not. NEVER would pay for it for sure! But to see a guy "win" the title by being allowed to beat the daylights out of his opponent while that opponent is on the mat and unable to defend himself? Priceless. What an f'ed up company you all worship. Wow. Unreal. SO happy I am not a big fan of this "sport" that is akin to WWE.

 

[tupperware]

Ha ha ha! I had DVR'd the fight and just watched it. How pathetic. Never been in to MMA/UFC whatever before and still am not. NEVER would pay for it for sure! But to see a guy "win" the title by being allowed to beat the daylights out of his opponent while that opponent is on the mat and unable to defend himself? Priceless. What an f'ed up company you all worship. Wow. Unreal. SO happy I am not a big fan of this "sport" that is akin to WWE.

I'd be willing to bet NFL athletes go through just as many issues when they're done as some of these fighters do. Wearing helmets doesn't fix everything.

Also, most of these fighters highly respect each other. Most of that chirping they do before their fights is all for show. There are very few fighters who I would call outright classless. In fact, it's a more respectable sport than the NFL in my opinion.

 

[TheCount]

Ha ha ha! I had DVR'd the fight and just watched it. How pathetic. Never been in to MMA/UFC whatever before and still am not. NEVER would pay for it for sure! But to see a guy "win" the title by being allowed to beat the daylights out of his opponent while that opponent is on the mat and unable to defend himself? Priceless. What an f'ed up company you all worship. Wow. Unreal. SO happy I am not a big fan of this "sport" that is akin to WWE.

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

"I can't believe they let them hit each after one of them falls over! What a wussy sport!"

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Clay fought Ben Henderson (who apparently goes by Benson Henderson now?) and yeah, it was 100x better than the JDS/Cain fight.




I was surprised to hear Dana say this, and even more surprised to see it repeated. JDS slows down at the end of matches because his arms get tired from blasting dudes in the face for 15 minutes. People make it sound like he just gets gassed.

If JDS gets tired from throwing blows against Brock, I'll be absolutely surprised because Brock doesn't have the heart to take those kind of shots, in my opinion.

he took those kinds of shots against Carwin and road it out till he could submit him.

I'm not saying Brock is amazing, or anything like that, but he has shown he can withstand a barrage from a pretty heavy handed striker.

Ha ha ha! I had DVR'd the fight and just watched it. How pathetic. Never been in to MMA/UFC whatever before and still am not. NEVER would pay for it for sure! But to see a guy "win" the title by being allowed to beat the daylights out of his opponent while that opponent is on the mat and unable to defend himself? Priceless. What an f'ed up company you all worship. Wow. Unreal. SO happy I am not a big fan of this "sport" that is akin to WWE.

And we're so happy you're not a fan either.

Now if you'd just quit pretending to be a Dallas Cowboys fan and leave all together this forum would be a better place.

Maybe you could work on that next.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

he took those kinds of shots against Carwin and road it out till he could submit him.

I'm not saying Brock is amazing, or anything like that, but he has shown he can withstand a barrage from a pretty heavy handed striker.

Personally I think the Ref should have called the fight between Carwin and Brock. Brock was just laying there getting pummeled. He did not tap out, his arms did not go limp, his eyes did not roll but the ref could have called that fight as he was just basically laying there IMO.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Personally I think the Ref should have called the fight between Carwin and Brock. Brock was just laying there getting pummeled. He did not tap out, his arms did not go limp, his eyes did not roll but the ref could have called that fight as he was just basically laying there IMO.

Sure he could have. I don't disagree.

He didn't for all the reasons you said there. He took it and didn't go limp, or anything, so it was pretty clear to the ref that he was weathering the storm.

Another reason that is is because a large majority of those punches, on the ground, were hitting Brock in his forearms which he was using to keep his face and head protected. Carwin was basically punching himself out for nothing with those shots.

I'm glad they didn't call it.

 

[TNCowboy]

Ha ha ha! I had DVR'd the fight and just watched it. How pathetic. Never been in to MMA/UFC whatever before and still am not. NEVER would pay for it for sure! But to see a guy "win" the title by being allowed to beat the daylights out of his opponent while that opponent is on the mat and unable to defend himself? Priceless. What an f'ed up company you all worship. Wow. Unreal. SO happy I am not a big fan of this "sport" that is akin to WWE.

You realize that his opponent's strikes rendered him defenseless, right?

 

[TNCowboy]

Personally I think the Ref should have called the fight between Carwin and Brock. Brock was just laying there getting pummeled. He did not tap out, his arms did not go limp, his eyes did not roll but the ref could have called that fight as he was just basically laying there IMO.

Shane Carwin has the cardio of an 85 yr old habitual smoker....

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Great ratings, beat out every college game this year besides bama/lsu . Wasnt even real big names.

I did a twitter search of UFC around that time and all the results were on Spanish. Dana said 60million brazilians would be watching

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I thought Carwin had him in a worse spot than Cain did.


No matter how well a guy is protecting himself he still has to show some signs of life.

Personally I think the Ref should have called the fight between Carwin and Brock. Brock was just laying there getting pummeled. He did not tap out, his arms did not go limp, his eyes did not roll but the ref could have called that fight as he was just basically laying there IMO.

Sure he could have. I don't disagree.

He didn't for all the reasons you said there. He took it and didn't go limp, or anything, so it was pretty clear to the ref that he was weathering the storm.

Another reason that is is because a large majority of those punches, on the ground, were hitting Brock in his forearms which he was using to keep his face and head protected. Carwin was basically punching himself out for nothing with those shots.

I'm glad they didn't call it.