Ultimately playoff success will determine how Dak’s career will be perceived

[terra]

This couldn’t be more wrong, to make a few Bradshaw, Aikman, Eli, never have come close to the numbers of romo, Dak etc and first ballot hall of famers, why? They won super bowls..

perfect example of how stupid some fans can be
Eli for virtually his entire career had top coaching; top D; etc. Still only had two rings. Wow what a great QB. How good was Aikman before we got good and after we got bad?
Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer and Flacco have rings. SO in your football ignorant mind they deserve to go into the HOF

 

[CowboyRoy]

This couldn’t be more wrong, to make a few Bradshaw, Aikman, Eli, never have come close to the numbers of romo, Dak etc and first ballot hall of famers, why? They won super bowls..

Actually their teams won SB's. Thats why they made it. Wasnt their numbers. Aikman made it basically handing the ball off the Emmitt.

Its actually 100% the opposite of what you just said.

 

[snadler]

perfect example of how stupid some fans can be
Eli for virtually his entire career had top coaching; top D; etc. Still only had two rings. Wow what a great QB. How good was Aikman before we got good and after we got bad?
Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer and Flacco have rings. SO in your football ignorant mind they deserve to go into the HOF

It’s the opposite, good QB’s that win super bowls are first ballot hall of famers, Aikman, Bradshaw, Eli, poor qb’s that won super bowls no..good qbs that never won anything, rivers, Romo, Ryan no shot at the hall of fame..

 

[TheMightyVanHalen]

This isn’t a Dak bashing thread, it’s the opposite in fact, he’s unfairly criticized week to week..people one week think he’s the greatest the next week he should be replaced, that’s not fair to him, when in reality the only way Dak should be judged is playoff success, without it he will never he viewed positively by this fan base, which is justified. Troy never even came close to his or Romo’s #’s but he was a first ballot HOFer because he won super bowls..it’s a fair assessment and it’s not a bashing at all, but people went on another Dak rant

Fair enough, brother. I believe in your intentions and others chose to make it a Dak bashing thread. Carry on...
GO COWBOYS!

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Actually their teams won SB's. Thats why they made it. Wasnt their numbers. Aikman made it basically handing the ball off the Emmitt.

Its actually 100% the opposite of what you just said.

I'm going to disparage a HOF, 3 Time Super Bowl winning Dallas Cowboys QB to defend Dak and take pressure of of him because I know he will ultimately fail to lead this team anywhere in the postseason. The more I can downplay the importance of the QB the better for Dak!

Dak over Dallas fans are the worst.

 

[Slick]

Then there are the fans that root against Dak over Dallas.

There are others who don’t root against the team, just think he’s proven his capabilities, counts way too much against the cap, and needs to go.

That would be my group.

I’ll repeat again, teams have won the superbowl with mediocre QBs, but never mediocre defenses.

Build around Parsons, and build solid defense first, then a line, then a QB.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Are you a Romo fan? If so, how do you define his career??

Almost Antonio, ScapeGoat for Hire.
He had has own failures, but in his biggest games was kneecapped by the team, by management, and by the NFL.

2006
Seahawks beat The Biscuit for a go ahead TD with 4 minutes left. Cowboys drive the field quickly and easily with the help of former Cowboys Hunter and Hamlin playing for the Seahawks. Down to 1st on the 11. 2 runs called for minimal gain. Cowboys throw on 3rd and 7, with Witten stopping his route 1 yard behind 1st down and can't advance the ball to a 1st after the catch. Got generous spot overturned on replay. 4th and 1 from the 1.5 and Parcells chooses to kick to go up 2 instead of go for to go up 6 (or 5/7 depending on a 2). Tony bobbles snap, Grammatica whiffs the block on the guy who tackled Tony from behind 1/2 yard short of 1st down. Defense gives up a 20 yard run off the goal line enabling the Seahawks run out the clock.
After the game, people notice how the ball that Tony bobbled and then lost control of on impact with the ground was strangely shiny. NFL changes rules on handling of balls in response to Shiny Ball Bobble.

The Narrative: "Tony choked."
The only failure in that sequence of failures that anyone remembers is Tony's bobble of a strangely shiny ball, a bobble that spurred *hope* in me, as once we lined up for the fg I completely expected the Seahawks to come back, throw it at The Biscuit, and easily march down the field for a game winning fg.

2007
Parcells calls injured Terry Glenn "She", and "She" comes back from injury quickly and injures knee. Jerry does nothing to fill the hole at WR left by Glenn all season. TO gets high ankle sprain just prior to playoffs. Lives in his hyperbaric chamber, and Superfreak that he is, comes back to play for the playoffs. But is largely running out of gas by the 4th quarter. Terry Glenn is on the field, totally unfit for service, and this is the last NFL game he ever plays. By the end of the game, Crayton is the only healthy and competent WR available for the Cowboys.
The Giants dline was the Dline of Destiny, marching through Romo, Rogers, and Brady on their way to a SB win.
And *still*, Tony threw what *should have been* the game winning TD, but Crayton, who I guess really wasn't so competent after all, pulls up on the ball and it falls incomplete in the end zone - over the defender, there to be caught for the win.

Narrative: Tony can't win the Big One.

2008 - Tony gets broken behind an awful oline.
2009 - Team gets blown out in Viking loss. Romo looks bad behind bad oline, while defense can't stop anything.
From 2010-2013 Tony is carrying the team, such as it is. Broken a few more times. Often handicapped by lack of healthy WRs in season ending games.

2014 - Tony has an MVP level year, and he and Dez are the Jump Ball Duo, virtually unstoppable. Romo is near perfect in the playoff game against the Packers, with an *official* QB rating of 143.6, while his *actual* QB rating, *correctly* crediting the UnCatch as a Catch, was 150+.

Postgame, NFL changes NFL changes their rules in response to peculiar circumstances leading to a Tony Romo playoff loss. Puts a fig leaf of a rule change over the obviously fraudulent overturning of the call of a catch on the field - claiming "indisputable visual evidence" for one of the most disputed calls of the last decade.

Narrative: Tony can't win the Big One.

2015: Tony breaks again.

2016 - Tony broken in preseason by the Seahawks. But Cowboy running game is *dominant*. Oline incredible. Zeke explosive. Best running game since Emmitt years. Tony heals up, is cleared to play, but management decides *not* to play the guy who was MVP level in 2014.

2017 - Management *still* won't let Tony compete for a starting spot. Wants to trade him. Largely runs out the clock on free agency, only letting Tony go when the opportunities with contenders have dried up.

Narrative: Tony can't win the Big One.

 

[Slick]

Oh yah and Dalton was going to take us to the promised land. LOL

And Prescott has? He’s done exactly squat but secure his future for life.

He was a great first contract cap QB, then the FO screwed up again, and overpaid, and here we are.
They should have kept Dalton, blown up the team, and rebuilt the defense. Then look at offense, but Jones and son who know nothing about football, overpaid again, and won’t see another Super Bowl in their lifetime because egotistical stupidity can overcome common sense.

Nothing’s changed since Jimmy left. Nothing.

 

[bigE79]

Week to week roller coaster of the nfl and fans reactions towards Dak are more up and down than the stock market, but regardless of how Dak plays like this past week, or the week before and his ints and his flashes of greatness and then his mistakes, you can’t judge Dak until he has playoff success, that’s what separates a good qb from a great qb, so we’ve seen what he is capable of, but without playoff success he will never be viewed as a great qb regardless of his numbers and regular season record

Until he wins a championship,he will join a list of long forgotten QBs who will be nothing more than a footnote in the history of the NFL.

 

[TheMightyVanHalen]

Almost Antonio, ScapeGoat for Hire.
He had has own failures, but in his biggest games was kneecapped by the team, by management, and by the NFL.

2006
Seahawks beat The Biscuit for a go ahead TD with 4 minutes left. Cowboys drive the field quickly and easily with the help of former Cowboys Hunter and Hamlin playing for the Seahawks. Down to 1st on the 11. 2 runs called for minimal gain. Cowboys throw on 3rd and 7, with Witten stopping his route 1 yard behind 1st down and can't advance the ball to a 1st after the catch. Got generous spot overturned on replay. 4th and 1 from the 1.5 and Parcells chooses to kick to go up 2 instead of go for to go up 6 (or 5/7 depending on a 2). Tony bobbles snap, Grammatica whiffs the block on the guy who tackled Tony from behind 1/2 yard short of 1st down. Defense gives up a 20 yard run off the goal line enabling the Seahawks run out the clock.
After the game, people notice how the ball that Tony bobbled and then lost control of on impact with the ground was strangely shiny. NFL changes rules on handling of balls in response to Shiny Ball Bobble.

The Narrative: "Tony choked."
The only failure in that sequence of failures that anyone remembers is Tony's bobble of a strangely shiny ball, a bobble that spurred *hope* in me, as once we lined up for the fg I completely expected the Seahawks to come back, throw it at The Biscuit, and easily march down the field for a game winning fg.

2007
Parcells calls injured Terry Glenn "She", and "She" comes back from injury quickly and injures knee. Jerry does nothing to fill the hole at WR left by Glenn all season. TO gets high ankle sprain just prior to playoffs. Lives in his hyperbaric chamber, and Superfreak that he is, comes back to play for the playoffs. But is largely running out of gas by the 4th quarter. Terry Glenn is on the field, totally unfit for service, and this is the last NFL game he ever plays. By the end of the game, Crayton is the only healthy and competent WR available for the Cowboys.
The Giants dline was the Dline of Destiny, marching through Romo, Rogers, and Brady on their way to a SB win.
And *still*, Tony threw what *should have been* the game winning TD, but Crayton, who I guess really wasn't so competent after all, pulls up on the ball and it falls incomplete in the end zone - over the defender, there to be caught for the win.

Narrative: Tony can't win the Big One.

2008 - Tony gets broken behind an awful oline.
2009 - Team gets blown out in Viking loss. Romo looks bad behind bad oline, while defense can't stop anything.
From 2010-2013 Tony is carrying the team, such as it is. Broken a few more times. Often handicapped by lack of healthy WRs in season ending games.

2014 - Tony has an MVP level year, and he and Dez are the Jump Ball Duo, virtually unstoppable. Romo is near perfect in the playoff game against the Packers, with an *official* QB rating of 143.6, while his *actual* QB rating, *correctly* crediting the UnCatch as a Catch, was 150+.

Postgame, NFL changes NFL changes their rules in response to peculiar circumstances leading to a Tony Romo playoff loss. Puts a fig leaf of a rule change over the obviously fraudulent overturning of the call of a catch on the field - claiming "indisputable visual evidence" for one of the most disputed calls of the last decade.

Narrative: Tony can't win the Big One.

2015: Tony breaks again.

2016 - Tony broken in preseason by the Seahawks. But Cowboy running game is *dominant*. Oline incredible. Zeke explosive. Best running game since Emmitt years. Tony heals up, is cleared to play, but management decides *not* to play the guy who was MVP level in 2014.

2017 - Management *still* won't let Tony compete for a starting spot. Wants to trade him. Largely runs out the clock on free agency, only letting Tony go when the opportunities with contenders have dried up.

Narrative: Tony can't win the Big One.

A bunch of excuses and what ifs. I played that game here before with a Dak hater, so I won't go all out like I did the that time. Romo and Dak's career is about the same. Romo failed us and as of right now Dak has too. It's actually very crazy how similar they are. QB rating, playoff record, record against winning teams, etc.

But I'll play some what ifs to prove you can't rely on those. Since you brought up the Dez catch against GB. What if the refs call Dez for a 15 unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for removing his helmet in the last minutes of that wildcard game before the GB game? Wasn't there an offensive pass interference against him that wasn't called? What if it was? I don't think we would've won that game if those two huge incidents didn't go our way. You said Romo didn't have any receivers. They brought in TO for Romo and with Dak they brought in Cooper. Advantage to Romo all the way. What if Romo didn't have two HOF players and one borderline HOFer in their prime to throw to? What if Randy Gregory didn't have that boneheaded defensive pass interference in the last minute of that 49ers game, which gave them a new set of downs and forced us to use all our timeouts, making a comeback just about impossible? In 2016 playoffs, what if Garrett didn't call that timeout on our last drive saving precious seconds for Aaron Rodgers for his throw that set up the game winning FG? On that play, David Irvin was being held and no call. What if they called that? We win that game. I'll stop there. Hopefully you know now that these excuses for Romo not winning a divisional game can also be made for Dak.

If Dak goes down as a failure like Romo, I won't be making any excuses for Dak like you did with Romo.

 

[DandyDon1722]

A bunch of excuses and what ifs. I played that game here before with a Dak hater, so I won't go all out like I did the that time. Romo and Dak's career is about the same. Romo failed us and as of right now Dak has too. It's actually very crazy how similar they are. QB rating, playoff record, record against winning teams, etc.

But I'll play some what ifs to prove you can't rely on those. Since you brought up the Dez catch against GB. What if the refs call Dez for a 15 unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for removing his helmet in the last minutes of that wildcard game before the GB game? Wasn't there an offensive pass interference against him that wasn't called? What if it was? I don't think we would've won that game if those two huge incidents didn't go our way. You said Romo didn't have any receivers. They brought in TO for Romo and with Dak they brought in Cooper. Advantage to Romo all the way. What if Romo didn't have two HOF players and one borderline HOFer in their prime to throw to? What if Randy Gregory didn't have that boneheaded defensive pass interference in the last minute of that 49ers game, which gave them a new set of downs and forced us to use all our timeouts, making a comeback just about impossible? In 2016 playoffs, what if Garrett didn't call that timeout on our last drive saving precious seconds for Aaron Rodgers for his throw that set up the game winning FG? On that play, David Irvin was being held and no call. What if they called that? We win that game. I'll stop there. Hopefully you know now that these excuses for Romo not winning a divisional game can also be made for Dak.

If Dak goes down as a failure like Romo, I won't be making any excuses for Dak like you did with Romo.

How about instead of excuses you start putting the blame where it belongs?

Romo didn't fail us. If the owner, organization, coaches, certain players, etc did their job as well he did in 2016 we would've won a SB. He played at an MVP level. Jerry has often said it was his biggest regret. The pass defenses on those teams were always bottom ten, at least. They failed us, Romo didn't, and neither did Dez, Murray, Witten, or the offensive line. You know as well as I do that side of the ball could've won a SB.

Eil's defense didn't fail him in two of the greatest defensive playoff runs in NFL history and he won two.

The blame goes to the weakest link. Blaming solid players who did their job and then saying they are using excuses is disingenuous.

We have to see how Dak's career plays out before defining his career at this point. He could win one this year but I think the weak link on this team is the coaching.

We'll see.

 

[TheMightyVanHalen]

The organization and the coaches. They failed us, Romo didn't, and neither did Dez, Murray, Witten, or the offensive line.

LMAO!! Yeah it was the coaches and Jerry who threw pick sixes in the win and you're in against the Eagles in the last game. And yep, it was Jerry and Garrett who fumbled and dropped crucial passes in the loss to Seattle in another win and you're in game, and fumbled in the playoff loss to GB. The players never failed us. You're right.

 

[buybuydandavis]

A bunch of excuses and what ifs. I played that game here before with a Dak hater, so I won't go all out like I did the that time. Romo and Dak's career is about the same. Romo failed us and as of right now Dak has too. It's actually very crazy how similar they are. QB rating, playoff record, record against winning teams, etc.

But I'll play some what ifs to prove you can't rely on those. Since you brought up the Dez catch against GB. What if the refs call Dez for a 15 unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for removing his helmet in the last minutes of that wildcard game before the GB game? Wasn't there an offensive pass interference against him that wasn't called? What if it was? I don't think we would've won that game if those two huge incidents didn't go our way. You said Romo didn't have any receivers. They brought in TO for Romo and with Dak they brought in Cooper. Advantage to Romo all the way. What if Romo didn't have two HOF players and one borderline HOFer in their prime to throw to? What if Randy Gregory didn't have that boneheaded defensive pass interference in the last minute of that 49ers game, which gave them a new set of downs and forced us to use all our timeouts, making a comeback just about impossible? In 2016 playoffs, what if Garrett didn't call that timeout on our last drive saving precious seconds for Aaron Rodgers for his throw that set up the game winning FG? On that play, David Irvin was being held and no call. What if they called that? We win that game. I'll stop there. Hopefully you know now that these excuses for Romo not winning a divisional game can also be made for Dak.

If Dak goes down as a failure like Romo, I won't be making any excuses for Dak like you did with Romo.

I didn't mention Dak's name once. My post wasn't about comparing Dak and Romo. One might say there was an implicit comparison when I talked about Romo not getting his starting position back in 2016, or a chance to compete for the start in 2017.

You asked:
Are you a Romo fan? If so, how do you define his career??

I quoted your question, and I answered it.

 

[triplets_93]

It's comical how so many ignore that, especially in a game that was basically an exhibition for Philly with their backup QB.

Yet for some.... this was an NFC Championship Game level of competition.

 

[starfan1]

It is logic, there is criticism, then there are those that do not post anything but being critical even when Dak plays well, or they pick ONE play and harp on it over and over, 10 times in 10 different threads.
Yes one can see hate / dislike in posts.
It is the truth, live with it....please hold your breath regardless....

The occasional critic I don’t mind but if you lol at the front page and the amount of Dak threads it’s over the top if Dak isn’t damn near perfect

threads that aren’t even Dak threads turn in that way . The term hater is a slang for over the top criticism. In most cases it doesn’t mean actual hate but there are some that do.

I’ve been a part of this board and the ranch since round 05 and the amount of vitriol for this qb exceeds any player to wear the star I can remember
But I’ve come to expect it from our fans as they feel entitled . We had some good runs in the 70s and 90s and I think that is the standard they expect every year

and while that would be great it’s not realistic in todays nfl. It’s actually gotten worse as other franchises exceeded our number of sb wins

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dak played great against the Packers in 2016 as a rookie, defense lost that game.

Dak played good in the Seahawks win and played great in the Rams loss where the defense gave up like 250 yards rushing.

Dak played ok in the 49ers loss. Definitely could have played better. But the defense failed to make any key stops and there were 12 penalties in that game.

Dak has played well in the playoffs and none of the losses were on him.

You're a biased Dak haters who probably complained that Dallas didn't score on that Dak to TY 30 yard conversion.

I disagree. he didn't play well against the niners. until late in the game....we could have forced SF to play different offensively if we scored earlier. that wasn't a good game.

against the rams the offense was up and down. came on late, got the game close, but the defense was too exhausted by then, partly on their own because of bad run defense.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I’ve grown to despise Prescott… Because he is a dumb football player, and seems to either wilt or thrive in pressure situations… If he turns it around and wins in the playoffs, stops doing dumb things, then I will come around and be supportive… I’m not counting on it LOL

whoa...whose burner account is this one? @khiladi is this you?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I'm going to disparage a HOF, 3 Time Super Bowl winning Dallas Cowboys QB to defend Dak and take pressure of of him because I know he will ultimately fail to lead this team anywhere in the postseason. The more I can downplay the importance of the QB the better for Dak!

Dak over Dallas fans are the worst.

well on the other side is Fans who want Dallas to lose because they hate Dak...they are the worst...

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

well on the other side is Fans who want Dallas to lose because they hate Dak...they are the worst...

Find 1 person that has said that.

Prove it.

Meanwhile..... the side you're on disparages a 3 time Super Bowl winner for the Dallas Cowboys in Troy Aikman to prop up Dak.... and you guys call yourself Cowboys fans. You're Dak fans. Nothing more.

 

[Doomsday101]

Ultimately teams are judged by SB regardless of who is playing QB. As for Dak on a personal level since he signed his contract, he broke his ankle in year 1 but has helped this team to post season the following 2 years. As far as I'm concerned, he has earned this contract, especially when I see guys like Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray both making more have been complete disasters.