Unimpressed so Far

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  1. CowboyGil

    CowboyGil Well-Known Member

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    It was a wild, typical NFC East game. And sure the defense bent quite a bit last night, but never broke when the lead got down to 6 against a pretty darn good offense. Eli threw for 450 yards because the Giants couldn't run the ball (kudos to the undermanned D Line) and were playing from 17 down. Sound familiar?
     
  2. Doomsday101

    Doomsday101 Well-Known Member

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    We did not get lucky, no more lucky when Dallas turned the ball over often in the past to NY and yet barely lost. As for penalties I want it to be 0 penalties but only 5 penalties by the Cowboys on the night is a good starts. No doubt some things need to be cleaned up but winning vs a team who always plays us tough was big.
     
  3. Frozen700

    Frozen700 Well-Known Member

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    Keep crying in the pillow
     
  4. Oh_Canada

    Oh_Canada Well-Known Member

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    Remember 160 of those yards the defense gave up were as a result of a blown assignment (which could have been avoided by a simple timeout) and while playing the prevent. I counted two other drives where the Giants marched down the field. Otherwise the Cowboys played very good defense against a talented offense.
     
  5. TwoDeep3

    TwoDeep3 Well-Known Member

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    So then the winning interception that bounced off the running back to Carr was not luck?

    It sure wasn't great positioning by the defender.
     
  6. CowboyDiver

    CowboyDiver Active Member

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    Nope, not just plain luck. We got into Eli's grill so fast he had to throw it before the back was ready. So you can call it a forced error by Mr. Perfect.
     
  7. TheRomoSexual

    TheRomoSexual Well-Known Member

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    Ugh, I feel like I'm going to have to say this all season -- there is no such thing as a purely "lucky" turnover.
     
  8. starfrombirth

    starfrombirth Well-Known Member

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    That's right ... we only got 3 pts off 3 turnovers against our toughest rival and still won!
     
  9. TwoDeep3

    TwoDeep3 Well-Known Member

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    I don't believe in luck much either.

    But the part where Carr made a play was predicated on the ball bouncing off of the running back possesses that component. Not some stellar head's up play by a defender.

    He snagged the ball from the air. That portion of the play was his skill coming to the fore and he making a play.

    The ball bouncing off the running back was the same as T Will turning the wrong way on the Romo pick.

    Now are you going to tell me the Romo pick was the fault of Romo?

    I don't think this slices two ways here.

    And your continued disgust with my analytical position about this team seems to bother you. I truly do not care that you are a celebratory fan who sees the positive side of every play.

    I happen to try and see a bigger picture and wonder how the team will fare when the ball does not bounce up for Carr to pick at the most fortuitous time.

    I'm okay with you having your opinion everything is fine. Why are you not okay with me questioning the shortcomings of this team?

    I'd truly like an answer to that if you feel like giving it. Here or private, doesn't matter.
     
  10. Proximo

    Proximo Well-Known Member

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    Interesting. In an earlier post you stated that the Cowboy's win was "due to luck as much as it was skill". Interesting statement from someone who claims to not believe in luck much.

    And as far as the turnovers are concerned, there is no such thing as a purely "lucky" turnover. The defense is on the field to stop the offense and take the ball away from them. That is their intention. That is their goal. There is nothing lucky about succeeding at that. Everything that the Cowboys defenders did during the plays in question contributed to the play unfolding the way it did which resulted in those turnovers. And kudos to the Cowboys players who where there to pounce on those opportunities.
     
  11. TwoDeep3

    TwoDeep3 Well-Known Member

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    You do understand the word much, correct?

    I also illustrated where the luck came into play in that interception.

    I do not deny the pouncing on the opportunity. What I do say is the running back made a mistake which was fortuitous/lucky which caused the interception which was ball skill.

    Had the running back not made a mistake then the game could have been drastically different in outcome. Just like T Will turning the wrong way and Romo getting picked.
     
  12. Proximo

    Proximo Well-Known Member

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    There may have been some element of luck or good fortune in some of last night's plays, however that is a FAR FAR cry from the Cowboy's victory being "due to luck as much as it was skill", which is what you previously stated. That's just silly.
     
  13. Gadfly22

    Gadfly22 Active Member

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    You may not believe in purely "lucky" turnovers. But try telling that to Trumaine McBride, for whom a random bounce of a punt was purely unlucky.
     
  14. newlander

    newlander Well-Known Member

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    SOme good points...WItten's penalties are maddening. I love the guy but he's done this for years now. Time to realize he just might not be that bright: harsh but true.
     
  15. rocyaice

    rocyaice Well-Known Member

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    We generated 6 takeaways and you feel like we were lucky to win? Giants should feel lucky they didn't lose by 30.
     
  16. fanfromvirginia

    fanfromvirginia Inconceivable!

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    Well, yeah, there was luck involved on that play but Carr caught it, which is something that wouldn't have been guaranteed over the last few years. And the other turnovers really involved very little luck at all. Again, most of the six (!) turnovers we got were forced. That's pretty damn good. And the giveaways we prevented (Escobar, Lee on the onsides kick) were heads up play.
     
  17. TwoDeep3

    TwoDeep3 Well-Known Member

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    I find it difficult to believe that he would not have been looking for that pick in past years. Or that Kiffin et al somehow have now tuned in defensive backs to turnovers.

    I may buy into the idea they are more aware because the coaches ragged them constantly, which makes them more active.

    But Carr was a head hunter in years past and that pick was laid right in his lap. I'd like to think for 50 million he would have made that pick regardless of the defensive coordinator's name.
     
  18. conner01

    conner01 Well-Known Member

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    thats the problem. you may be expecting too much. this is a division game. the first game of the season and if you look around the league, most teams struggled in one area or the other. division games are rarely blow outs. they are hard fought battles. we have lots of things to work on but we did something we have'nt done in awhile. we won a game when the offense was not very sharp. the offense will improve and while you are'nt gonna get 6 turn overs in many games i think you will see us get tons more turnovers this year than the past few.and you will see us get the offense on track
     
  19. fanfromvirginia

    fanfromvirginia Inconceivable!

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    Let's hope you do. I'm perfectly happy to have days after like this, in which overly pessimistic posters flail about for tenuous reasons to gnash and wail. I'd much rather that than to deal with overly optimistic posters explain away losses.
     
  20. TwoDeep3

    TwoDeep3 Well-Known Member

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    So why didn't they?

    You see, that is where the concern lies.

    Six turn overs....well done.

    Not turning them into 30 points....hmmmmmm.
     

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