Unimpressed so Far

[CowboyGil]

It was a wild, typical NFC East game. And sure the defense bent quite a bit last night, but never broke when the lead got down to 6 against a pretty darn good offense. Eli threw for 450 yards because the Giants couldn't run the ball (kudos to the undermanned D Line) and were playing from 17 down. Sound familiar?

 

[Doomsday101]

Wow, I rarely come away from a win feeling like we got lucky. Six turnovers and we still almost lost?? So much for our so called "new" offense. It looked pretty much the same to me, along with the penalties(albeit fewer of them).

The defense was ok, considering we are missing a few players. Thank goodness for Selvie or it could have been the opposite score.

The offense, what to say......I am at a loss for words ATM. NY did bring the house often and the line held up decently, but the play calls left a bit to be desired.

I know a win is a win, especially with these two teams but they have to sharpen and clean it up. Too many short passes for my liking and they need to get Dez more involved, the sooner the better. T. Williams made some good plays and more bad plays, put Harris out there for now.

Two more penalties on Witten, that has to stop! Three points out of the first three turnovers is ridiculous. We got lucky that NY was more of a mess than we were.

Shapen up or it will be a long season

We did not get lucky, no more lucky when Dallas turned the ball over often in the past to NY and yet barely lost. As for penalties I want it to be 0 penalties but only 5 penalties by the Cowboys on the night is a good starts. No doubt some things need to be cleaned up but winning vs a team who always plays us tough was big.

 

[Frozen700]

Keep crying in the pillow

 

[Oh_Canada]

Since I don't know what you mean by emoting here, I will argue both ways.

If emote was sarcastic and you thought I was under-valuing it:

The defense did give up 500 yds and 4 TD's. Gave up a couple of big plays(to be expected) but not a great game overall..

If over-valuing it:

We did get six turnovers and had a nice goaline stand and scored some defensive points. We held down their run game too.

Therefore: I said the defense did ok considering they were missing some key pieces.

Feel free to give some input rather than one sentence responses or emoting

Remember 160 of those yards the defense gave up were as a result of a blown assignment (which could have been avoided by a simple timeout) and while playing the prevent. I counted two other drives where the Giants marched down the field. Otherwise the Cowboys played very good defense against a talented offense.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Disagree. There wasn't much lucky about it at all, really. It's not like we got lucky bounces or the Giants missed makeable FGs or committed lots of dumb penalties. No, Eli nearly beat us by being Eli. He absolutely threaded the needle on several passes. We got six turnovers but pretty much every one involved some kind of skill or effort on our part. The fumbles were all stripped. Our defenders and special teams players looked like people who have been coached to get to the ball.

So then the winning interception that bounced off the running back to Carr was not luck?

It sure wasn't great positioning by the defender.

 

[CowboyDiver]

So then the winning interception that bounced off the running back to Carr was not luck?

It sure wasn't great positioning by the defender.

Nope, not just plain luck. We got into Eli's grill so fast he had to throw it before the back was ready. So you can call it a forced error by Mr. Perfect.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

So then the winning interception that bounced off the running back to Carr was not luck?

It sure wasn't great positioning by the defender.

Ugh, I feel like I'm going to have to say this all season -- there is no such thing as a purely "lucky" turnover.

 

[starfrombirth]

Despite 5 offensive turners, the Giants offense scored 4TDs, 1 FG.

Dallas offense scored 2TDs, 3 FGs.

Despite the turnovers, their offense did outplay Dallas' offense. You can't rely on 5 turnovers every game. The offense must STILL produce.

3pts off of the first 3 turnovers is NOT good offense. That is not taking advantage of opportunities.

SOme things looked good, but this defense still needs work and the Oline definitely needs work. The offense MUST be able to score points off turnovers.

That's right ... we only got 3 pts off 3 turnovers against our toughest rival and still won!

 

[TwoDeep3]

Ugh, I feel like I'm going to have to say this all season -- there is no such thing as a purely "lucky" turnover.

I don't believe in luck much either.

But the part where Carr made a play was predicated on the ball bouncing off of the running back possesses that component. Not some stellar head's up play by a defender.

He snagged the ball from the air. That portion of the play was his skill coming to the fore and he making a play.

The ball bouncing off the running back was the same as T Will turning the wrong way on the Romo pick.

Now are you going to tell me the Romo pick was the fault of Romo?

I don't think this slices two ways here.

And your continued disgust with my analytical position about this team seems to bother you. I truly do not care that you are a celebratory fan who sees the positive side of every play.

I happen to try and see a bigger picture and wonder how the team will fare when the ball does not bounce up for Carr to pick at the most fortuitous time.

I'm okay with you having your opinion everything is fine. Why are you not okay with me questioning the shortcomings of this team?

I'd truly like an answer to that if you feel like giving it. Here or private, doesn't matter.

 

[Proximo]

I don't believe in luck much either.

Interesting. In an earlier post you stated that the Cowboy's win was "due to luck as much as it was skill". Interesting statement from someone who claims to not believe in luck much.

And as far as the turnovers are concerned, there is no such thing as a purely "lucky" turnover. The defense is on the field to stop the offense and take the ball away from them. That is their intention. That is their goal. There is nothing lucky about succeeding at that. Everything that the Cowboys defenders did during the plays in question contributed to the play unfolding the way it did which resulted in those turnovers. And kudos to the Cowboys players who where there to pounce on those opportunities.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Interesting. In an earlier post you stated that the Cowboy's win was "due to luck as much as it was skill". Interesting statement from someone who claims to not believe in luck much.

And as far as the turnovers are concerned, there is no such thing as a purely "lucky" turnover. The defense is on the field to stop the offense and take the ball away from them. That is their intention. That is their goal. There is nothing lucky about succeeding at that. Everything that the Cowboys defenders did during the plays in question contributed to the play unfolding the way it did which resulted in those turnovers. And kudos to the Cowboys players who where there to pounce on those opportunities.

You do understand the word much, correct?

I also illustrated where the luck came into play in that interception.

I do not deny the pouncing on the opportunity. What I do say is the running back made a mistake which was fortuitous/lucky which caused the interception which was ball skill.

Had the running back not made a mistake then the game could have been drastically different in outcome. Just like T Will turning the wrong way and Romo getting picked.

 

[Proximo]

You do understand the word much, correct?

I also illustrated where the luck came into play in that interception.

I do not deny the pouncing on the opportunity. What I do say is the running back made a mistake which was fortuitous/lucky which caused the interception which was ball skill.

Had the running back not made a mistake then the game could have been drastically different in outcome. Just like T Will turning the wrong way and Romo getting picked.

There may have been some element of luck or good fortune in some of last night's plays, however that is a FAR FAR cry from the Cowboy's victory being "due to luck as much as it was skill", which is what you previously stated. That's just silly.

 

[Gadfly22]

You may not believe in purely "lucky" turnovers. But try telling that to Trumaine McBride, for whom a random bounce of a punt was purely unlucky.

 

[newlander]

Wow, I rarely come away from a win feeling like we got lucky. Six turnovers and we still almost lost?? So much for our so called "new" offense. It looked pretty much the same to me, along with the penalties(albeit fewer of them).

The defense was ok, considering we are missing a few players. Thank goodness for Selvie or it could have been the opposite score.

The offense, what to say......I am at a loss for words ATM. NY did bring the house often and the line held up decently, but the play calls left a bit to be desired.

I know a win is a win, especially with these two teams but they have to sharpen and clean it up. Too many short passes for my liking and they need to get Dez more involved, the sooner the better. T. Williams made some good plays and more bad plays, put Harris out there for now.

Two more penalties on Witten, that has to stop! Three points out of the first three turnovers is ridiculous. We got lucky that NY was more of a mess than we were.

Shapen up or it will be a long season

SOme good points...WItten's penalties are maddening. I love the guy but he's done this for years now. Time to realize he just might not be that bright: harsh but true.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

We generated 6 takeaways and you feel like we were lucky to win? Giants should feel lucky they didn't lose by 30.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

So then the winning interception that bounced off the running back to Carr was not luck?

It sure wasn't great positioning by the defender.

Well, yeah, there was luck involved on that play but Carr caught it, which is something that wouldn't have been guaranteed over the last few years. And the other turnovers really involved very little luck at all. Again, most of the six (!) turnovers we got were forced. That's pretty damn good. And the giveaways we prevented (Escobar, Lee on the onsides kick) were heads up play.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Well, yeah, there was luck involved on that play but Carr caught it, which is something that wouldn't have been guaranteed over the last few years. And the other turnovers really involved very little luck at all. Again, most of the six (!) turnovers we got were forced. That's pretty damn good. And the giveaways we prevented (Escobar, Lee on the onsides kick) were heads up play.

I find it difficult to believe that he would not have been looking for that pick in past years. Or that Kiffin et al somehow have now tuned in defensive backs to turnovers.

I may buy into the idea they are more aware because the coaches ragged them constantly, which makes them more active.

But Carr was a head hunter in years past and that pick was laid right in his lap. I'd like to think for 50 million he would have made that pick regardless of the defensive coordinator's name.

 

[conner01]

Don't get me wrong, glad they won a tough division game. All I am saying is that it was not pretty and I expected more, especially from the offense. With six turnovers, it really should have not been that close.

thats the problem. you may be expecting too much. this is a division game. the first game of the season and if you look around the league, most teams struggled in one area or the other. division games are rarely blow outs. they are hard fought battles. we have lots of things to work on but we did something we have'nt done in awhile. we won a game when the offense was not very sharp. the offense will improve and while you are'nt gonna get 6 turn overs in many games i think you will see us get tons more turnovers this year than the past few.and you will see us get the offense on track

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Ugh, I feel like I'm going to have to say this all season -- there is no such thing as a purely "lucky" turnover.

Let's hope you do. I'm perfectly happy to have days after like this, in which overly pessimistic posters flail about for tenuous reasons to gnash and wail. I'd much rather that than to deal with overly optimistic posters explain away losses.

 

[TwoDeep3]

We generated 6 takeaways and you feel like we were lucky to win? Giants should feel lucky they didn't lose by 30.

So why didn't they?

You see, that is where the concern lies.

Six turn overs....well done.

Not turning them into 30 points....hmmmmmm.