Unsportsmanlike Conduct on Butler

[tyke1doe]

I agree this was a bogus penalty but I chalk it up to JG not having the team prepared. You can't have these kind of gaffes 19 weeks into the season.

And yet, this always seems to happen to us. Sigh.

 

[percyhoward]

Same ref called it on Paulsen in the Monday night Washington game in Dallas in 2014.

It's Corrente's specialty, apparently.

Another penalty that was unusual: Logan Paulsen being called for a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for entering and then leaving the huddle.

“I had never heard of that one,” Gruden said.

The Commanders had called a play thinking tight end Niles Paul was in the game. But Paulsen was instead. So they sent Paul in late, trying to make a quick substitution. Often, officials will just call that an illegal substitution, but they deemed this one different, Gruden said, because they felt they were trying to “deceive the other team.”

http://www.espn.com/blog/washington...elay-penalties-not-just-on-Commanders-coaches

 

[SoBlue128]

The call was chicken **** plain and simple but doesn't change the **** storm of mistakes and errors made by the team and coaches. When a call or two "causes" you to lose chances are you didn't deserve to win in the first place.

 

[sweetness0986]

It's Corrente's specialty, apparently.

Another penalty that was unusual: Logan Paulsen being called for a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for entering and then leaving the huddle.

“I had never heard of that one,” Gruden said.

The Commanders had called a play thinking tight end Niles Paul was in the game. But Paulsen was instead. So they sent Paul in late, trying to make a quick substitution. Often, officials will just call that an illegal substitution, but they deemed this one different, Gruden said, because they felt they were trying to “deceive the other team.”

http://www.espn.com/blog/washington...elay-penalties-not-just-on-Commanders-coaches

If applying this logic to our game it makes it even more ridiculous. Like Butler was purposely trying to be deceptive, he looked like a lost puppy out there.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

If applying this logic to our game it makes it even more ridiculous. Like Butler was purposely trying to be deceptive, he looked like a lost puppy out there.

Yes and that's where the issue lies. The rule leaves it up to the discretion of the ref. Throwing that is akin to a flag for sideline interference on a goaline stand.

 

[kevm3]

The call was chicken **** plain and simple but doesn't change the **** storm of mistakes and errors made by the team and coaches. When a call or two "causes" you to lose chances are you didn't deserve to win in the first place.

I disagree. When you have two evenly matched teams and then you bring refs into the equation who are taking points off the board by giving out huge penalties without merit, they are definitely affecting the game.

 

[SoBlue128]

Whem u rely on the human element of reffimg to win or lose ur done plain and simple. It wasn't one call that decided this game that was played square across the board. It was mistakes made by the Cowboys that put them in an early hole. They lost yesterday cause they just weren't good enough. Do I think the Cowboys are better than the Pack yeah I do but they weren't yesterday and that's what matters

 

[beacamdim]

And yet, this always seems to happen to us. Sigh.

I think you can reasonably argue that it is a bogus rule and should be 5 yards instead of 15. But the Cowboys definitely broke the rule, bogus or not.

 

[beacamdim]

I disagree. When you have two evenly matched teams and then you bring refs into the equation who are taking points off the board by giving out huge penalties without merit, they are definitely affecting the game.

Yep, it's so unfair when the other team grabs your WR's jersey multiple time and none of them get called, forcing you to punt when the other team's D had otherwise failed to stop you a single time. Refs can't affect the outcome of the game like that. Right?

Bottom line -- there were bad calls at critical moments BOTH ways. No denying that. But that only makes this game EXACTLY like EVERY other NFL game since time immemorial. Whiners look like sore losers. Enough. Dallas easily could have won anyway, but did not. They just didn't make the right coaching decisions, or the right plays. No one else to blame.

And as an aside -- and to that point -- just shut up, Kelcey. It was the right call. Maybe don't drop a sure TD or take a stupid unnecessary roughness penalty and it won't matter next time.

 

[slomoxn]

Bs call but in order to take the refs out of the game you can't have a first half like they did. It's over now but if I'm Jerry and had his money I'd have a private investigator going through that refs trash 5 minutes after the game ended. I'd know his every move for the next year to prove or disprove he bet on the games.

 

[percyhoward]

If applying this logic to our game it makes it even more ridiculous. Like Butler was purposely trying to be deceptive, he looked like a lost puppy out there.

Every bit as bad as Crayton in 2007.

 

[Doomsay]

I think you can reasonably argue that it is a bogus rule and should be 5 yards instead of 15. But the Cowboys definitely broke the rule, bogus or not.

Says the Giants fan, why don't you stick to your funny OBJ lifestyle videos. Nice offensive performance last week in GB btw, kudos.

 

[Doomsay]

Yep, it's so unfair when the other team grabs your WR's jersey multiple time and none of them get called, forcing you to punt when the other team's D had otherwise failed to stop you a single time. Refs can't affect the outcome of the game like that. Right?

Bottom line -- there were bad calls at critical moments BOTH ways. No denying that. But that only makes this game EXACTLY like EVERY other NFL game since time immemorial. Whiners look like sore losers. Enough. Dallas easily could have won anyway, but did not. They just didn't make the right coaching decisions, or the right plays. No one else to blame.

And as an aside -- and to that point -- just shut up, Kelcey. It was the right call. Maybe don't drop a sure TD or take a stupid unnecessary roughness penalty and it won't matter next time.

There was one missed really obvious defensive holding call against Dallas that was really well documented by Fox, good job Giants fan for picking that up.

Compare that to the grab fest the dl faced on multiple passing plays .... the outright tackle of Irving* from behind on that uncatchable game winning PI call, the non-call for tackling of Jason in the end zone for the loss of 4pts and this aforementioned premeditated bs call and you don't have a very "balanced" effort by the refs, do you.

* tackle from behind with a 3 man rush - no way the officials didn't see that and ignore it .... ball game

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...cowboys-de-irving-blaming-call-loss-green-bay

 

[BigWillie]

Sorry, bit the rule you're citing is an NCAA rule. The defense is not "allowed" time to substitute in the NFL. If that was an NFL rule, Rogers would not be able to catch those cheap 5-yarders while defenders are leaving the field.

Nope, it's an NFL rule.

http://operations.nfl.com/media/2224/2016-nfl-rulebook.pdf

ARTICLE 10. DEFENSIVE MATCHUPS FOLLOWING SUBSTITUTIONS. If a substitution is made by the offense, the offense shall not be permitted to snap the ball until the defense has been permitted to respond with its substitutions. While in the process of a substitution (or simulated substitution), the offense is prohibited from rushing quickly to the line of scrimmage and snapping the ball in an obvious attempt to cause a defensive foul (i.e., too many men on the field). If the offense substitutes, the following procedure will apply:

(a) The Umpire will stand over the ball until the Referee deems that the defense has had a reasonable time to complete its substitutions.

(b) If the offense snaps the ball before the defense has had an opportunity to complete its substitutions, and a defensive foul for too many players on the field results, no penalties will be enforced, except for personal fouls and unsportsmanlike conduct, and the down will be replayed. At this time, the Referee will notify the head coach that any further use of this tactic will result in a penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct. Note: The quick-snap rule does not apply after the two-minute warning of either half, or if there is not a substitution by the offense.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Yep, it's so unfair when the other team grabs your WR's jersey multiple time and none of them get called, forcing you to punt when the other team's D had otherwise failed to stop you a single time. Refs can't affect the outcome of the game like that. Right?

Bottom line -- there were bad calls at critical moments BOTH ways. No denying that. But that only makes this game EXACTLY like EVERY other NFL game since time immemorial. Whiners look like sore losers. Enough. Dallas easily could have won anyway, but did not. They just didn't make the right coaching decisions, or the right plays. No one else to blame.

And as an aside -- and to that point -- just shut up, Kelcey. It was the right call. Maybe don't drop a sure TD or take a stupid unnecessary roughness penalty and it won't matter next time.

 

[strongarmqb]

I disagree. When you have two evenly matched teams and then you bring refs into the equation who are taking points off the board by giving out huge penalties without merit, they are definitely affecting the game.

I couldn't agree more.
When you take a team out of 1st down at the 18 yard line after a great throw and catch, when the flag flies After the play is over,... the referees are directly affecting the outcome especially on a subjective call like that. There was no intent to deceive- butler didn't speak to anyone. Dallas scores on that drive the game is much different.
In addition to swallowing their whistles when it comes to penalties called on the other team.

Thata why cowboys fans are hot,..

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

He never entered the huddle. Complete BS... Was not called in the spirit of the rule. Changed the complexion of the entire game.

 

[drawandstrike]

He never entered the huddle. Complete BS... Was not called in the spirit of the rule. Changed the complexion of the entire game.

not only that, the rule clearly states he has to SAY something to a team mate and communicate once the huddle has commenced.

All the people going "Nope nope, it was a good call, it's a real NFL rule!" have to then insist that the huddle was already going on when Butler ran out there and left.

But of course they can't SAY that explicitly because it'd make them look really stupid. So they IMPLY it with really claiming it overtly.

 

[DogFace]

I don't see an infraction.

Butler was clearly talking to Dez through his ear hole.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

I think you can reasonably argue that it is a bogus rule and should be 5 yards instead of 15. But the Cowboys definitely broke the rule, bogus or not.

No, they didn't break the rule. They were not in the huddle and Butler never communicated with anyone.