Until we get better in the trenches, we will continue to lose

[big dog cowboy]

One of them was Mazi Smith.
I forget who the others are.

Mazi Smith was not drafted last April.

Guyton, Kneeland, Beebe.

 

[TheCoolFan]

They have spent plenty of early round draft picks on OL or front-7 defensive players in the past 4 drafts:

2021:
1st round: Parsons
3rd round: Osa

2022:
1st round: Tyler Smith
2nd round: Sam Williams

2023:
1st round: Mazi
3rd round: Overshown

2024:
1st round: Guyton
2nd round: Breeland
3rd round: Beebe

The problem is that the front office and coaching don't have a system in place on either side of the ball so they just expect draft picks to turn into great players But just because they hit on Tyron, Frederick and Zack Martin 10+ years ago doesn't mean it's repeatable. They also paid the QB a monster contract to be a big part of a system on his own but it's clear that he's not good enough. A bad situation all-around.

 

[starfan1]

There were three/four consecutive years when the Cowboys had one of the best offensive line in football. They still couldn’t win it all. Why?
Someone kept throwing critical INT in the playoff.

If your mindset is the QB has all the control then you are right! Nevermind in most of the losses the defense was also carved up like a holiday bird.

That doesn’t mean Dak doesn’t share the blame he absolutely does but the ints were not the only reason and certainly not the main issue but you know that

It’s just fun to stir the pot so Dak haters continue to do that

I was indifferent on the Dak signing because I know it’s more than a QB problem but at this point heck bench him and you won’t see 1 bit of difference in fact it will get worse if that’s possible

Heck all the trolls that promised to leave when if dak signed are now back and active but most knew they would renig.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

There are mysteries and no secret codes needing to be deciphered here. This team is getting beat at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Our running backs are averaging less than 2 yards before contact. Our QB is getting maybe two seconds to throw the ball and is getting pressured on over 25% of his throws. The offense can't function like that I don't care who you have at the skill positions. We all knew this line would have some struggles to start because of two rookies starting. But none of us saw Zack Martin getting thrown to the ground on the regular and Steele being a shell of himself coming. This can better and it needs to .. and soon. Whatever they are working on in practice is not working so they need to change it up. I thought Solari could fix it and I thought McCarthy "got it" when it came to running the ball at least in the red zone. I was wrong on both counts. At least I have been so far.

we have not been good on the DL for years...can't recall the last time it was a decent group. probably 15, 16 years ago.

the OL is a mess. Beebe playing the second most important position on the OL is a rookie. Guyton is a rookie and at this point he sucks. I was worried about this pick, because the kid has never played LT, had started only 8 games (this should have been an alarm) and now has to play against world Athletes at DE week in week out..

add to it two bad drafts in a row. lack of spending in FA and this team is devoid of top level talent very quickly.

 

[gtb1943]

If your mindset is the QB has all the control then you are right! Nevermind in most of the losses the defense was also carved up like a holiday bird.

That doesn’t mean Dak doesn’t share the blame he absolutely does but the ints were not the only reason and certainly not the main issue but you know that

It’s just fun to stir the pot so Dak haters continue to do that

I was indifferent on the Dak signing because I know it’s more than a QB problem but at this point heck bench him and you won’t see 1 bit of difference in fact it will get worse if that’s possible

Heck all the trolls that promised to leave when if dak signed are now back and active but most knew they would renig.

amusing how some dak bots try and hide that fact
now some here actually don't care since the whole organization is such a joke which is fair
the odds of real change as long as big and little enos are running things is virtually non existent so most fans concentrate on things that could change and the chief one is of course the QB and HC. We really need better at each so its an easy complaint to make

 

[gtb1943]

we have not been good on the DL for years...can't recall the last time it was a decent group. probably 15, 16 years ago.

the OL is a mess. Beebe playing the second most important position on the OL is a rookie. Guyton is a rookie and at this point he sucks. I was worried about this pick, because the kid has never played LT, had started only 8 games (this should have been an alarm) and now has to play against world Athletes at DE week in week out..

add to it two bad drafts in a row. lack of spending in FA and this team is devoid of top level talent very quickly.

the last time we had a very good DL was back when BP built it and it was gone pretty much by 2011. Ellis before he became a OLB, Glover, Canty, Spears, Ratliff, Spencer. we were not great back then but very good. Good enough but other parts were not.
And to give him his Due Wade tried to keep it going as far as the D Line was concerned.

 

[StuckMojo]

Oline has gone downhill since hiring Solari. Definitely lots of coaching issues but also lots of issues from highest paid player in NFL

 

[Creeper]

There are mysteries and no secret codes needing to be deciphered here. This team is getting beat at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Our running backs are averaging less than 2 yards before contact. Our QB is getting maybe two seconds to throw the ball and is getting pressured on over 25% of his throws. The offense can't function like that I don't care who you have at the skill positions. We all knew this line would have some struggles to start because of two rookies starting. But none of us saw Zack Martin getting thrown to the ground on the regular and Steele being a shell of himself coming. This can better and it needs to .. and soon. Whatever they are working on in practice is not working so they need to change it up. I thought Solari could fix it and I thought McCarthy "got it" when it came to running the ball at least in the red zone. I was wrong on both counts. At least I have been so far.

Your second sentence says all that needs to be said about the 2024 Dallas Cowboys.

 

[Mr_437]

The OL fought last game, and allowed the offense to do some things. Dak n McCarthy sunk the opportunity to be in the game. Maybe the OL starts to put it together moving forward.

 

[blueblood70]

The insistence on making everything about Dak Prescott is mind boggling. We already know Dak is a very good but not great QB. We also know that if you give him a running game and time to throw you get good to great results 99% of the time. Right now neither Dak nor our backs are getting a fair opportunity to be successful because the line is struggling. Like you I am able to watch the game and see the defense constantly in our backfield and realize that the running game and passing game are both going to struggle until that stops being the case. People wanna call it excuse making, fan boying or whatever the hell they want is fine. It's also reality. A very sad reality.

While I agree with your statement ,

it goes beyond that,

it's much steeper than that, because even when they do finally block well just long enough Prescott looks down the field and nobody's open, at least not his number one option, which is where you go first, they're not getting open fast enough, the separation rates are bad, not every play, I'm not saying he doesn't miss an open guy now again, lots of quarterbacks do,, because sometimes they're focused on 1/4 of the field that's where the number one option is, and by the time you go to look at #2 you're being sacked or chased out of the pocket, but the receivers whether it's their fault or the scheme design and the play calling it's all bad!!!

I mean it's all bad right now this is not just about the trenches because guess what let's go back to coaching it is and will always start with the head coach allowing his offensive line coach to continue to do the same things that wasn't working last year, and it's not working this year, he continues himself as an offensive coordinator to just keep throwing out plays, which in my opinion are easily being defended, you're putting too many guys in the same area, you're allowing defenders that are covering one wide receiver to easily be in the area where that's being thrown to someone else and just have to break off underneath and all of a sudden now it became double coverage, where it was single coverage in the eyes of the quarterback.. Its that bad ive seen the film broken down this is mess as this Offensive scheme and GPs and play calls are all a MESS!!

so now the QB is supposed to overcome ALL this..yes hes forcing few things, what's he truly have to lose? literally punting vs 1 INT , has that get you? a defense that immediately get scored on whether a long drive eating up clock or quick strike but that the reality.. he knows this so he is simply pressing trying to make something happen when notions there..

How bad this has gotten is insane because I used to think Kellen Moore's stuff was bad and I take him back in a heartbeat ,you're right it does start in the trenches, but it has to go to the head coach first who is supposed to be managing all other phases his other coaches are in control of and when things aren't working they need to be having discussions it should have started back in training camp it shouldn't have took seven games at a bad start to start thinking about opening things up and changing the nature of whatever you thought to knowing what you have and making it better through scheme and design...

I mean the gap is so big between Shanahan and yeah they started slow as well but when they lost players it's insane on how a backup running back who was third on the depth chart the backup wide receiver who I've never heard of really have 100 yard games multiple 100 yard games in Shanahan system!@!! guys are getting open Brock Purdy is not special and in my opinion he's not better than Prescott and this man doesn't run the ball either why have all of a sudden we're all over Prescott because he's become more of a stationary pocket passer who will move around in the pocket and can get away from some pressure but no longer wants to run why does that matter there are plenty quarterbacks out there like Kirk cousins, Brock Purdy, and Joe Burrows, and others that don't run the damn football and they could be successful if they had the right offense and the right talent around them...​

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Yes it starts with the offensive line, but that offensive line is not being coached properly because why are they forcing steele over and over back onto the field when they had a option where I thought it looked better and maybe it's just me but when they moved Tyler Smith out to left tackle and they put bass at left guard you could now move or at least try your rookie and Guyton over at right tackle if you were truly trying to make this team better that's what you would be doing when you keep marching back out on the same field the same scheme the same players and the same game plans!!!???!!!!​

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this is what we have now this is where we have ended up where we're at in my opinion and it just starts with MM both as a HC and OC..​

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He's failing miserably at both and he should give up OC and start really trying to help the rest of his coaching staff try to figure out what's going on and yes I don't know what schottenheimer can do but how can it be worse I'd rather have a guy that understands the basics of football and it starts with the run game and I don't care if the offensive line is a little weak in their run blocking what I see going on in say Andy Reid another guy who is just miles ahead of McCarthy as an OC and a head coach has found a way to make Kareem hunt look serviceable and Kareem Hunt's not doing anything special but they're giving him the ball 20 * a game no matter what they're just handing it to him and they're just going to stick to the run game and then they're going to try to have things come off the run game because now at least the defense has to at least respect it we're not even doing that that's the problem around here even if the line is a little off even if our running backs aren't as good as advertised you can make it work if you commit to it and you're willing to change it up....​

 

[starfan1]

amusing how some dak bots try and hide that fact
now some here actually don't care since the whole organization is such a joke which is fair
the odds of real change as long as big and little enos are running things is virtually non existent so most fans concentrate on things that could change and the chief one is of course the QB and HC. We really need better at each so its an easy complaint to make

My preference even though I know the 1 in the booth are the biggest issues is just to remain as positive as I can

All the whining by fans in here serve no purpose in terms of how it affects the team

It’s really gotten pathetic Jerry isn’t in here he isn’t listening . Maybe there some therapeutic value in whining with like minded folks but I’m really not cut like that

Could I ignore these threads? Sure but anymore that requires ignoring most of the front page

The front office really botched the offseason and the talent we do have has been on the sideline a good chunk of the season. It’s hard to overcome the injuries and regression we have had. And thus far to this point not a single one of our high dollar players have stepped up.CeeDee is showing signs but other than that they are hurt or they suck

 

[blueblood70]

There are mysteries and no secret codes needing to be deciphered here. This team is getting beat at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Our running backs are averaging less than 2 yards before contact. Our QB is getting maybe two seconds to throw the ball and is getting pressured on over 25% of his throws. The offense can't function like that I don't care who you have at the skill positions. We all knew this line would have some struggles to start because of two rookies starting. But none of us saw Zack Martin getting thrown to the ground on the regular and Steele being a shell of himself coming. This can better and it needs to .. and soon. Whatever they are working on in practice is not working so they need to change it up. I thought Solari could fix it and I thought McCarthy "got it" when it came to running the ball at least in the red zone. I was wrong on both counts. At least I have been so far.

It's true and I keep posting here but the more I think about this yes all what you said is true however we need to be better in all three phases of coaching execution I mean some of the most fundamental things that this team is forgetting to do it's more than the trenches it's happening all over yeah it'd be a little easier if they were a little stronger and more consistent in the trenches.

But this team is broken in every phase guys are forgetting how to tackle stay on side stop moving motion before the snap penalties but the game plans and the scheming is to me historically all time bad I just can't even remember Chan gailey and Dave campo being this as an offensive coordinator and not seeing it before game one and somehow always needing to fix it at the bye week but not running the football is the most fundamental part of football literally it starts with the run game even though there have been schemes over the years to be a pass first team or the WCO they create what looks to be a run game with short passes I get all that but that ain't working he doesn't commit to the run game Andy Reid went and got Kareem hunt who is not better than Rico he's not better than zeke but he has an offensive coordinator that's willing to just give him the ball 20 times regardless of the situation they figured out if you run the ball for real not create a run game with the pass game you usually can wear down and at least gain enough honesty from the defense that you can then pass the ball more efficiently you can't just stand back there and throw the football 40 * a game even if half of them are short passes trying to look like a run game that's not what the run games for you're trying to beat on your opponent you're trying to draw them up into the box you're trying to open up things in the middle range passing and then getting some play action you can't do that unless you commit to the run Rico was averaging 10 carries a game well Kareem hunt was on the street, not even on a practice squad not even participating in any practices and then immediately the Kansas City Chiefs needed a running back pick the guy up off the street immediately didn't say he needs time to acclimate like dalvin cook sat on the practice squad forever they're saying he's just not ready that's BS total BS that's malarkey!! And what does Andy Reid do just hands the ball to him 20 * a game and figures it out and now we have coaches that don't even give our running backs 6 carries by halftime they're not committing to the run I don't care what the offensive line appears to be in allies or it's broken and need some repair when you don't commit to the run that's on the coaches that's on the scheme not on the players on the back of their jersey the names it's not about not having Derrick Henry this is about really truly not respecting the run game you don't care it's obviously Mike McCarthy absolutely has no respect for establishing a real run game it doesn't matter if the game starts out where you're 3.2 yards per carry or left it's how you maintain it and grow it throughout the game and by the third and fourth quarters you're wearing out a defense and you're able to open up the playbook for passing that's where this is broken....

And most of us who have followed football or even played high school football and beyond you know what that does to a defense as well right our defense not theirs yeah where's their defense now but if you keep the ball longer and longer drives you're keeping your defense fresh what we're doing now is doing none of that our defense is severely injured and you're not utilizing your run game that could be positive for both your offense and your defense it makes no sense this is a Mike McCarthy issue I stick up for the man coming back this year even though I thought it might be better he's gone I was open to him coming back but now I wish they would have fired him he is the biggest problem on this team right now... IMHO

 

[kskboys]

It's a known fact in the NFL that games are won in the trenches.

Not by our GM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[kskboys]

My preference even though I know the 1 in the booth are the biggest issues is just to remain as positive as I can

All the whining by fans in here serve no purpose in terms of how it affects the team

It’s really gotten pathetic Jerry isn’t in here he isn’t listening . Maybe there some therapeutic value in whining with like minded folks but I’m really not cut like that

Could I ignore these threads? Sure but anymore that requires ignoring most of the front page

The front office really botched the offseason and the talent we do have has been on the sideline a good chunk of the season. It’s hard to overcome the injuries and regression we have had. And thus far to this point not a single one of our high dollar players have stepped up.CeeDee is showing signs but other than that they are hurt or they suck

Yeah, but now you're whining about the whining.

 

[starfan1]

Yeah, but now you're whining about the whining.

You do enjoy pointing that out don’t you?

Look at the front page see how many threads are not whiny in some form or fashion

So for us more positive guys our choices are at this point is ignore most everything or somewhat participate where you can or turn into a whiner.

I can assure you the last one ain’t happening. Pointing out the incessant crying in here is more about pointing out the temperature of the board that’s accomplishing nothing

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

Dak apologist incoming

Its that time of the week after a loss.

 

[Whirlwin]

OK, whatever gl in a cap league with an inept GM/QB getting all the talent you're looking for.
HF in fantasy land..............

At least now you got the blame right

 

[Doomsday]

It really is that simple, the offensive and defensive lines are getting manhandled week in and week out until that changes Dallas will not win games.

 

[Aliencowboy]

There are mysteries and no secret codes needing to be deciphered here. This team is getting beat at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. Our running backs are averaging less than 2 yards before contact. Our QB is getting maybe two seconds to throw the ball and is getting pressured on over 25% of his throws. The offense can't function like that I don't care who you have at the skill positions. We all knew this line would have some struggles to start because of two rookies starting. But none of us saw Zack Martin getting thrown to the ground on the regular and Steele being a shell of himself coming. This can better and it needs to .. and soon. Whatever they are working on in practice is not working so they need to change it up. I thought Solari could fix it and I thought McCarthy "got it" when it came to running the ball at least in the red zone. I was wrong on both counts. At least I have been so far.

The sky is blue also. Thanks for solving that.

 

[BlueStar22]

Until a winning culture is cultivated from the top down, we will continue to lose.