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[2233boys]

According to the Cowboy brass, it wasn't a need that had to be addressed this year. We took a shot on a great athlete in Stanback and next April if it doesn't look like he is a long term answer we have 2 of those first round picks to go WR.

This year if TO or Glenn go down we go with Crayton starting. If we didn't feel comfortable with that, we would have had a higher priority put on that position.

Jerry Jones is a moron.

You go ahead and trust his talent evaluation he certainly has never been wrong before.

Personally Crayton starting for an extended period of time, scares the **** out of me. Hurd or Austin starting, I don't even want to think abou it...

 

[peplaw06]

You can call it *****ing all you want but when Jason Ferguson said that under a Belichek coordinated Parcells team they only two gapped 20% of the time versus the full time two gap here in Dallas that tells me its not *****ing but a righteous criticism.

Those percentages amount to a tangible difference in scheme and show how Parcells - Belichek = the suck.

Parcells - Belicheck may not be as good as Parcells + Belichick, but he definitely doesn't "suck." You can just see the difference when he has a DC who he trusts. People make Belichick out to be some god, when he's very good, but has to have good assistants just like everyone else.

I think if we had a DC who was well versed in the 3-4 we would have been better on D. BP had to bring in the reigns especially in year 1, because Zimmer didn't know what he was doing.

Jerry Jones is a moron.

You go ahead and trust his talent evaluation he certainly has never been wrong before.

Personally Crayton starting for an extended period of time, scares the **** out of me. Hurd or Austin starting, I don't even want to think abou it...

What makes you think Stanback was just a Jerry pick? Or do you just assume it was because you don't agree with it?

Oh I forgot.... perceived bust = Jerry pick. Perceived hit = Ireland or Wade pick.... right.

 

[DallasEast]

I'm hoping Watkins will earn the job before the year's out so we don't have to pay Hamlin megabucks. Of course it'd be best for both of them to play lights out.

Unless Watkins is ready to take command of that position, we really do need Hamlin. If I never see Davis at FS again I will be a happy man.

 

[Idgit]

Jerry Jones is a moron.

You go ahead and trust his talent evaluation he certainly has never been wrong before.

Personally Crayton starting for an extended period of time, scares the **** out of me. Hurd or Austin starting, I don't even want to think abou it...

What in the world could you have been watching from Crayton that scares you? The fact that he catches everything that's thrown to him? Or that he's tough as nails? Or that he comes up big in the clutch?

Ho, hum. At least it's nice to have a team where the legitimate roster bellyaching is confined to the #4WR spot.

 

[2233boys]

What makes you think Stanback was just a Jerry pick? Or do you just assume it was because you don't agree with it?

Oh I forgot.... perceived bust = Jerry pick. Perceived hit = Ireland or Wade pick.... right.

Oh so Jerry isn't a moron.


Stanback was the biggest reach and worst pick in the draft. There was just no need to pick him there, none at all... As an aside, I don't call drafting a QB to convert to WR addressing the needs at WR...

What in the world could you have been watching from Crayton that scares you? The fact that he catches everything that's thrown to him? Or that he's tough as nails? Or that he comes up big in the clutch?

Ho, hum. At least it's nice to have a team where the legitimate roster bellyaching is confined to the #4WR spot

So you are comfortable starting Crayton for 16 games? He is a fine 3rd rec, I don't believe he is a #2 much less a #1 option. If you can't see that, well that isn't my fault.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Jerry Jones is a moron.

 

[jay cee]

So you are comfortable starting Crayton for 16 games? He is a fine 3rd rec, I don't believe he is a #2 much less a #1 option. If you can't see that, well that isn't my fault.

So you are saying that they should have used a 1st round pick on a WR because one of their starters could get hurt?

That could be said for any position. Why not draft a 1st rd corner in case Newman gets hurt?

They chose to draft an LB, because the one they had at that position was already hurt.

 

[peplaw06]

Oh so Jerry isn't a moron.

Anyone who has that much money in the bank can't be a moron. Don't get me wrong, lots of morons get rich, but a true moron is only rich for a short while a la Mike Tyson.

Stanback was the biggest reach and worst pick in the draft. There was just no need to pick him there, none at all... As an aside, I don't call drafting a QB to convert to WR addressing the needs at WR...

Ummm, let's see. Matt Jones was a QB converted to WR, and he was drafted in the first round. He was 6-6 and ran a 4.37. Stanback is a QB converted to WR, listed at 6-2 to 6-3, is faster, and has more moves. You don't run a 10.93 in 100 m without having wheels. And we drafted him IN THE FOURTH ROUND!!!

But just because YOU'VE never heard of him before, he's a reach and a likely bust. So it must be Jerry's fault. You better send JJ your resume... Maybe you could go on the record and tell us who you would have chosen there, so we can compare Jerry's move to your's in the future? I know you won't do that because after you learn a little about Stanback, you'll be intrigued by his potential.... that is if you can give him an honest evaluation.

So you are comfortable starting Crayton for 16 games? He is a fine 3rd rec, I don't believe he is a #2 much less a #1 option. If you can't see that, well that isn't my fault.

Can't see what. that because YOU don't think he's a #2 option, he's decidedly NOT. I forgot, what NFL team do you work for? Forgive me if I don't give your opinion any creedence whatsoever, especially if you have no REASON why he can't be a #2 or a #1, it's just a feeling you have.

 

[DallasEast]

Ummm, let's see. Matt Jones was a QB converted to WR, and he was drafted in the first round. He was 6-6 and ran a 4.37. Stanback is a QB converted to WR, listed at 6-2 to 6-3, is faster, and has more moves. You don't run a 10.93 in 100 m without having wheels. And we drafted him IN THE FOURTH ROUND!!!

Ouch. That's gotta hurt.

 

[Mash]

Lets see....

How many teams in the NFL right now wouldnt be hurting if their 2 starting WR's got hurt?

At least Crayton has some experience and IMHO would make a solid starting 2 in this league.

I think Jerry and Co did a fine job this year .....you cant get everything in one off season.

 

[2233boys]

So you are saying that they should have used a 1st round pick on a WR because one of their starters could get hurt?

That could be said for any position. Why not draft a 1st rd corner in case Newman gets hurt?

They chose to draft an LB, because the one they had at that position was already hurt.

No I am saying we should have used one of our picks on a WR... Because are starters are old, and it takes time for a rec to adjust generally to the NFL. We have a number 3 wr that Joe fans like you think could start, and 2 I don't knows (now 3) behind him.

 

[2233boys]

Anyone who has that much money in the bank can't be a moron. Don't get me wrong, lots of morons get rich, but a true moron is only rich for a short while a la Mike Tyson.

If you don't think Jerry Jones is a moron when it comes to running this team, then you are a moron too.

Ummm, let's see. Matt Jones was a QB converted to WR, and he was drafted in the first round. He was 6-6 and ran a 4.37. Stanback is a QB converted to WR, listed at 6-2 to 6-3, is faster, and has more moves. You don't run a 10.93 in 100 m without having wheels. And we drafted him IN THE FOURTH ROUND!!!

Yea and Matt Jones is tearing it up too... Stanback was and is injured, wanted to play QB in the NFL and was taken by most accounts 1 to 2 round to early.

But just because YOU'VE never heard of him before, he's a reach and a likely bust. So it must be Jerry's fault. You better send JJ your resume... Maybe you could go on the record and tell us who you would have chosen there, so we can compare Jerry's move to your's in the future? I know you won't do that because after you learn a little about Stanback, you'll be intrigued by his potential.... that is if you can give him an honest evaluation.

I had heard of him. To me taking a project is something you do in the 6th and 7th rounds not in the 4th. You guys are funny, just because he is a Cowboy he is gold, had the Skins drafted him that would have been beyond ********. As who we could have had instead, Beekman, DeOssie or Tanard Jackson

Can't see what. that because YOU don't think he's a #2 option, he's decidedly NOT. I forgot, what NFL team do you work for? Forgive me if I don't give your opinion any creedence whatsoever, especially if you have no REASON why he can't be a #2 or a #1, it's just a feeling you have.

You go ahead and think he is a number 1 or number 2 WR, and go anywhere else but this board and say that and they laugh at you...

 

[2233boys]

Lets see....

How many teams in the NFL right now wouldnt be hurting if their 2 starting WR's got hurt?

At least Crayton has some experience and IMHO would make a solid starting 2 in this league.

I think Jerry and Co did a fine job this year .....you cant get everything in one off season.

Of course you do.

 

[Stautner]

No I am saying we should have used one of our picks on a WR... Because are starters are old, and it takes time for a rec to adjust generally to the NFL. We have a number 3 wr that Joe fans like you think could start, and 2 I don't knows (now 3) behind him.

The underlying thinking with Stanback is that he has the talent to be a top quality WR, whereas all the more experienced WR's that were available in the 4th round clearly had less talent and were less likely to make an impact. In other words, the more experienced WR's fell to the 4th because of talent deficiencies, whereas Stanback fell only because his talent needs to be developed at WR.

Seems like a good gamble to me.

As for the assertion that Stanback was taken 1-2 rounds earlier than he should have been, and that he is a bad pick because he wanted to play QB in the NFL, I read several accounts after the draft of teams that were starting to strongly consider Stanback before we took him, and Stanback hasn't griped one iota about having to make the switch to WR.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you don't think Jerry Jones is a moron when it comes to running this team, then you are a moron too.


Yea and Matt Jones is tearing it up too... Stanback was and is injured, wanted to play QB in the NFL and was taken by most accounts 1 to 2 round to early.

I had heard of him. To me taking a project is something you do in the 6th and 7th rounds not in the 4th. You guys are funny, just because he is a Cowboy he is gold, had the Skins drafted him that would have been beyond ********. As who we could have had instead, Beekman, DeOssie or Tanard Jackson

You go ahead and think he is a number 1 or number 2 WR, and go anywhere else but this board and say that and they laugh at you...

Anyone who doesnt see a difference in the personnell decisions from 1995-2001 and 2002 to present is a moron.

The Cowboys got calls from other teams after we picked Stanback saying that we got their guy. He would not have lasted to our next pick.

He is a project but this is a 4th round pick in a very weak draft. What bodes well is that in month 5 in a 8 month rehab he is already running a 4.6. Essentially he just got his boot off had not run in 5+ months was still injured and ran a 4.6. That is what the scouts were reporting as his figure. When he wasnt hurt he was running 4.4 and better. Apparently the technique he uses to catch the ball is good already so he needs to work on routes etc.

WR are very difficult to predict. Outside of QB the most difficult position to project. However if he returns to form that will make him 6-2 200 with 4.4 speed. His agility is apparent in the moves he puts on people in the open field. The guy breaks ankles. That certainly is a lot of ifs but he has the potential to be allpro.

 

[jobberone]

This thread should reappear in 3.5 years in the middle of that season. Then we'll have a good idea how smart or not the pick was.

 

[big dog cowboy]

If you don't think Jerry Jones is a moron when it comes to running this team, then you are a moron too.

Yea and Matt Jones is tearing it up too... Stanback was and is injured, wanted to play QB in the NFL and was taken by most accounts 1 to 2 round to early.

Jerry Jones is most defently NOT a moron.

So Stanback is injured. So what? We have drafted hurt guys before. I don't know about "most accounts" but if we would have waited on Stanback, he would have been gone. We know this for a fact.

We took a guy in the 4th round we think will be better than any other WR's available then. Sorry but I'll trust the scouts over your argument.

 

[BouncingCheese]

Jerry Jones is most defently NOT a moron.

So Stanback is injured. So what? We have drafted hurt guys before. I don't know about "most accounts" but if we would have waited on Stanback, he would have been gone. We know this for a fact.

We took a guy in the 4th round we think will be better than any other WR's available then. Sorry but I'll trust the scouts over your argument.

Agreed; didn't Buffalo take Willis Mcgahee after that terrible knee injury? I for one thought he was finished, and look how he came back.


Stanback is going to be fine; I don't have a problem with the draft pick; at least he wasn't a first-rounder so if he busts I won't be furious.


(by the way screw Mcgahee even though I am a Ravens' fan, the ungrateful *******...I remember him bauling like a baby for a team showing him faith in him possibly healing, and then he goes on to jone on the team just three years later.)

 

[MCowboys]

Yeah if TO and/or Glenn got hurt you wouldn't have any problem with those guys starting.


WR was a need that wasn't addressed.

Yeah and what if Flo got hurt again? What about Newman? What about Ferguson? You can't have great backups at every position.

 

[peplaw06]

If you don't think Jerry Jones is a moron when it comes to running this team, then you are a moron too.

"If you don't agree with me, you're a moron." Awesome.

Yea and Matt Jones is tearing it up too... Stanback was and is injured, wanted to play QB in the NFL and was taken by most accounts 1 to 2 round to early.

So Matt Jones is tearing it up and Stanback has similar measurable aside from height, and you're pissed?? Makes total sense to me *shaking head side to side*...

I had heard of him. To me taking a project is something you do in the 6th and 7th rounds not in the 4th. You guys are funny, just because he is a Cowboy he is gold, had the Skins drafted him that would have been beyond ********. As who we could have had instead, Beekman, DeOssie or Tanard Jackson

yeah because 4th rounders are usually sure things to make the squad. *shaking head side to side*

Matt Jones was a project in the FIRST ROUND. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.

And I never said he was gold. I said he's not a bust yet. You state he was a JJ pick and necessarily a bust before he's even participated in a training camp. Good to get you on the record as to who you'd pick in the 4th though. Although you couldn't narrow it down to one (trying to increase your odds of hitting)... at least we have you on the record. Bookmarking this thread... now.

And the Skins drafting him is irrelevant. If they had got them with their 6th rounder, I would have been worried that it would hit. Especially as a WR. I've seen him play QB, and he doesn't really worry me there. he's not a great passer. but he is an unknown at WR. You don't know what he can do, and neither do I. But why not give him the benefit of the doubt? There's no reason not to at this moment. he has good measurables, and potential.

You go ahead and think he is a number 1 or number 2 WR, and go anywhere else but this board and say that and they laugh at you...

Who cares? Other teams fans thoughts have little to no bearing on my views, because they don't see the things that we do watching him all the time. Crayton is a talent, there is no denying it.