Validation that the Packers hold on every play

[muck4doo]

It is what it is. Let's hope the Cowboys learn and adjust. Sitting there and wallowing in "what could have been" and "we're angry! we are gonna tantrum!" seems to be too much of a trend these last couple of months. Yeah, the Packers are sneaky cheaters. It's part of the game. Let's beat them at it next season. In the mean time enjoy life.

 

[muck4doo]

I don't know how to edit video but if someone would put together a list, or edited clip of this silliness, i'll be glad to help spread it through Facebook. My twitter isn't great but I can "tag", maybe someone cool will share it.

I love my Cowboys and don't want to see our fans looking like Seattle fans.

 

[Doomsay]

With the way the Packers hold and the way the refs let them get away with it, I'm surprised they don't win the Super Bowl every year.

Their defense sucks.

 

[Doomsay]

It is what it is. Let's hope the Cowboys learn and adjust. Sitting there and wallowing in "what could have been" and "we're angry! we are gonna tantrum!" seems to be too much of a trend these last couple of months. Yeah, the Packers are sneaky cheaters. It's part of the game. Let's beat them at it next season. In the mean time enjoy life.

Nwrong with recognizing blatant cheating that was significant enough for us to lose the game. Their entire existence is based on Rodgers buying an unnatural amount of time to throw without incurring holding penalties. It's total bs.

 

[muck4doo]

Grow up

I already did. I'll leave it to you to keep throwing the tantrums on what should have been. The team needs to look forward, and not dwell on the past. You can sit there and wallow in "what could have been" all you want. I want Dak, Zeke, and Dez focused on championships they can bring, and not blatant holds the Packers made in a game in the past.

 

[muck4doo]

Nwrong with recognizing blatant cheating that was significant enough for us to lose the game. Their entire existence is based on Rodgers buying an unnatural amount of time to throw without incurring holding penalties. It's total bs.

Look forward, not back. We didn't get it this time. Next season we will. Don't be like these guys: http://www.fieldgulls.com/

 

[Doomsay]

I already did. I'll leave it to you to keep throwing the tantrums on what should have been. The team needs to look forward, and not dwell on the past. You can sit there and wallow in "what could have been" all you want. I want Dak, Zeke, and Dez focused on championships they can bring, and not blatant holds the Packers made in a game in the past.

Sorry, I rephrased my post, didn't mean to be belligerent.

But, the team needs to push back if there was cheating, it looks pretty easy to prove. Dak and Zeke can't overcome blatant cheating. There is nothing wrong about standing up agaist this blatant disregard for the rules, it's also pretty clear that McCarthy was involved with setting up that bs relic personal foul call agaist butler - this is a slimy team that is Patriot-like in its disregard of fair play, coddled by the NFL.

 

[muck4doo]

Sorry, I rephrased my post, didn't mean to be belligerent.

But, the team needs to push back if there was cheating, it looks pretty easy to prove. Dak and Zeke can't overcome blatant cheating. There is nothing wrong about standing up agaist this blatant disregard for the rules, it's also pretty clear that McCarthy was involved with setting up that bs relic personal foul call agaist butler - this is a slimy team that is Patriot-like in its disregard of fair play, coddled by the NFL.

Agreed. I just don't want to see Dak and Zeke and the rest of the team caught up in that. Players say they don't pay attention to the stuff on the internet...that's a lie. I brought up the Seahawks because they are a team that is constantly whining how they were cheated on any given week. Earl Thomas this past week was whining that the Pats had an easier road than them, because supposedly the NFC West was so awesome this year. That's what I don't want to see. The Seahawks and their fans are a team of whiners and complainers that look at what they left behind. This Cowboys team with Dak at the helm is a team of winners that are only going to get better, and the NFL better watch out!

 

[DandyDon52]

I dunno. Seems pretty obvious in real time too. In this clip, you can see exactly what the article is talking about. Each tackle slaps the outside shoulder pad. But here it results in a chokehold. I don't think that the outside slap somehow makes it not holding. It's still holding.

wow look at the guy in the middle he is held more by 60 and 73
The slap is kinda weird, that may be done to distract what the other hand is doing?
Either way it just shows GB coaches are smarter than our coaches.

In playoff games many things are not called, they refer to it as letting them play lol.
So to be smart you should do things, but in a smart way. and not on 3rd downs

 

[AzorAhai]

 

[DandyDon52]

Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel published a very interesting article today that goes into great detail, and essentially validates, that most of us haven't dreaming it up when it looks like the Packers OL is holding on every play.

Article can be found here: http://www.jsonline.com/story/sport...protection-technique-drawing-praise/96847704/

According to McGinn's sources on other teams, the Packers have evidently come up with a new blocking technique thzt skirts so close to the line of holding / not holding that they aren't getting called for it.

Other teams have noticed it to the extent that they plan to emulate the Packers next next season.

Remember, this his a home town, 'Pro Packer' news organization publishing this. Kinda letting the secret out of the bag.

I would have published it in the 'NFL' Forum, however, the 'Packers holding' topic is interwoven in many of the threads we've had here on CZ in the past week and I thought it was relevant to the Cowboy in that way.

Summary: Yes, the Packers OL holds on just about every play -- especially their excellent LT (Bakhtiari) -- who is already an excellent pass blocker, never mind the fact that, according to the article, has absolutely perfected this new technique.

good article and just shows packers have better coaches and are ahead of the curve.
you have to coach to and for todays game, not what they did 20 years ago like our coaches.
JG comes up with new slogans, while packers come up with new techniques !

 

[DandyDon52]

What's a little tug? It's not like this was a critical 3rd down that would have ended a scoring drive for Green Bay or anything. But I guess it's our fault we can't fight through people dragging us by our jerseys.

now that is holding clearly on 90, that should be called as you could see the jersey pull.
I guess they decided to not call holding in this game and instead focus on players in the huddle and then coming out? lol
Could be all these games are fixed.

 

[DandyDon52]

Sorry, I rephrased my post, didn't mean to be belligerent.

But, the team needs to push back if there was cheating, it looks pretty easy to prove. Dak and Zeke can't overcome blatant cheating. There is nothing wrong about standing up agaist this blatant disregard for the rules, it's also pretty clear that McCarthy was involved with setting up that bs relic personal foul call agaist butler - this is a slimy team that is Patriot-like in its disregard of fair play, coddled by the NFL.

That could be if they had seen this in film and it wasnt called.
If so that is smart, and in playoffs it is smart to see what you can get away with like holding pass interference etc.
In playoffs, they dont always call penaltys like in regular season.
We also got away with some blatant holds, and also they have to be smart about when to do it.

 

[Bullflop]

It's been said many times that every team holds on every play and that the refs could easily call it if they were inclined to. Thing is, for some reason, the NFL appears to allow certain teams to get away with it more than others. Either that, or some teams are just more adept at it, without getting caught. I think the former scenario applies to the Packers.

 

[Nova]

Holding is trickier than most people give credit for.

Grabbing isn't always going to be flagged as holding.

What's usually called is if there is a grab and tug, grab and rip, or a hook that's held and impedes.

It's annoying to me that we didn't just consistently bull rushed these guys since they immediately give up leverage by grabbing the outside pads.

But this just borders on holding.

Explains why a guy like Sitton can leave and this team doesn't miss a beat in Pass Pro, and why they suck pretty bad in run blocking.

 

[DandyDon52]

It's been said many times that every team holds on every play and that the refs could easily call it if they were inclined to. Thing is, for some reason, the NFL appears to allow certain teams to get away with it more than others. Either that, or some teams are just more adept at it, without getting caught. I think the former scenario applies to the Packers.

Kenny Rodgers said " you got to know when to hold em" and when to fold em lol
guess the packers know.
Basically the packers are a better coached team, they dont have better players, yet have beat us twice in div round.
At some point it isnt about talent, it is about coaching, and what they get out of the players they have and how they use them.
game planning and game mgmt etc.
The playoffs show our true weakness which is our HC and his staff.
JG might be able to win in playoffs with an all star defense, but we wont be able to build one.
We could use some better DL , but no guarantee we can fill that order.
GB doesnt have a great DL either yet they won twice hmmmm ?

 

[Bullflop]

Kenny Rodgers said " you got to know when to hold em" and when to fold em lol
guess the packers know.
Basically the packers are a better coached team, they dont have better players, yet have beat us twice in div round.
At some point it isnt about talent, it is about coaching, and what they get out of the players they have and how they use them.
game planning and game mgmt etc.
The playoffs show our true weakness which is our HC and his staff.
JG might be able to win in playoffs with an all star defense, but we wont be able to build one.
We could use some better DL , but no guarantee we can fill that order.
GB doesnt have a great DL either yet they won twice hmmmm ?

I haven't given up on JG by a longshot -- he's made some admirable strides in improving this team's overall performance. I see no reason why building a capable defense is an impossibility. GB committed some holding plays that any blind man could see. Let's just see what the upcoming offseason produces in that regard before giving up on our DL, OK? GB wins with a QB that is second to none. We may get there ourselves in time but it won't come overnight. I don't think our future is hopeless by any means -- just the opposite, in fact.

 

[StarGazer1]

The thing that bothers me is the inconsistencies of calls made by the different officiating crews. One crew calls more holding penalties, another crew will call more PI penalties while the next crew lets DBs maul the Wrs and then you have a crew pulling obscure penalties out of the rule book. Who is training these officials that causes them to be so inconsistent? The NFL needs a better training program for the officials so every crew understands what should or shouldn't be called a penalty and if the official shows continued inconsistency in their calls they should be fired.

 

[Cmac]

Does anyone remember the 1995 NFC Championship game where they allowed Erik Williams to put his hands in Reggie White's face all day? I'm talking about inside his face mask. They also allowed to pick play from Novacek that set up a long Deion play and they also called back a few touchdowns for Green Bay. One was an interception. I think we just got paid back.

I remember Big E having Reggie (God bless his soul) cry like a baby.....all day.

 

[DogFace]

What's a little tug? It's not like this was a critical 3rd down that would have ended a scoring drive for Green Bay or anything. But I guess it's our fault we can't fight through people dragging us by our jerseys.

That is unreal.

I wish some of the ref apologists could show us getting away with a hold so obvious. Just once and is be happy. Hell, all pro Martin was called for a couple of holds that took away looooong runs that looked like text book pancake blocks.

****ing unreal.