Vaughan 'Wild Thing'

[Vanilla2]

I think we panicked for no reason. Better more experienced QBs were cut.

He might be worth developing but not quite roster spot worthy based on the fact he did not exactly rise to the occasion in the final preseason game.

Maybe they received inquiries about him and were trying to get him to the ps.

Having their hand forced a bit.

 

[Alexander]

Maybe they received inquiries about him and were trying to get him to the ps.

Having their hand forced a bit.

Receving inquiries? What is that?

Oh hello, excuse me, we would like to inquire about your third string QB?

Teams do not normally announce intent.

 

[windward]

No... I got that from:



I took it to mean that talent of a 1st rnd pick isn't guaranteed which is true but I was referencing this quote about whether they will be available or not.

So nowhere in that text I assumed that those players would be available. Can we agree on that?

 

[Vanilla2]

Receving inquiries? What is that?

Oh hello, excuse me, we would like to inquire about your third string QB?

Teams do not normally announce intent.

How'd the cowboys make that trade for the d lineman?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Receving inquiries? What is that?

Oh hello, excuse me, we would like to inquire about your third string QB?

Teams do not normally announce intent.

So then how do any trades happen?

How did Lavar Edwards happen?

Do you ever even stop to think for a moment?

 

[gimmesix]

I think the team is keeping Vaughn just for Insurance this season because of Romo. If Romo had not had the setbacks he has had for the last two years, they don't need to keep 3QB's, so, like it or not, I think it is a good move. And, it's still early! Hell, he could be kept for trade bait later on during the season?

I think they are keeping him because they like what they saw. If they were keeping him just because of Romo, they would have went after another veteran QB.

I don't know why some are choosing not to see that Vaughan showed something that makes him worth taking a look at. Would some other team have picked him up if he was cut? Possibly not, but Dallas didn't want to take that chance.

I'm fine with that. People want us to prepare for the day when we lose Romo, but then also want us to cut a player at his position that shows potential. Vaughan has poise, feels pressure and is able to move up to avoid it, shows a quick release, coverage awareness, a strong arm ... those are the skills you look for in a QB, whether he's a first-round pick or UDFA.

I think it's a good move, even if Vaughan eventually doesn't prove he's worth it. We wasted a draft pick on Stephen McGee and tried to develop him and Vaughan already has shown more than I ever saw from McGee.

 

[VThokie7]

If you carry a QB on the practice squad, it is basically like being part of the team. Romo goes down, he's elevated.

This and the fact that if Romo got hurt they would likely bring in somebody more experienced anyways if it was a long term injury.

 

[dogunwo]

Receving inquiries? What is that?

Oh hello, excuse me, we would like to inquire about your third string QB?

Teams do not normally announce intent.

That is contrary to something Parcells said. I remember him stating that Belichick and other coaches called about the availability of Miles Austin and Sam Hurd, forcing them to keep them on the 53 in a surprise move that year. They may have even initially kept seven WRs.

Didn't we just call about a DL and trade for him?

 

[rpntex]

I think the team is keeping Vaughn just for Insurance this season because of Romo. If Romo had not had the setbacks he has had for the last two years, they don't need to keep 3QB's, so, like it or not, I think it is a good move. And, it's still early! Hell, he could be kept for trade bait later on during the season?

I like the idea of keeping him, but it has absolutely nothing to do with Romo's back. Vaughan is only "insurance" if both Romo and Weeden get hurt in the same game. That's the only way he sees the field this season, and even at that, he'll only see the rest of the game where the other two are hurt. If Romo goes down, Dallas will sign an old grizzled vet to back up Weeden.

The reason they are keeping Vaughan is strictly for developmental purposes. IMO, they don't want to take the chance of losing him by exposing him to waivers.

 

[Questfor6]

Hopefully he's the first player cut for a actual player at a position of need. Lord knows if the worst case scenario occurred and he was going to possibly be forced into action the next week, they'd sign Kitna out of gym class to start over him.

 

[rpntex]

If you carry a QB on the practice squad, it is basically like being part of the team. Romo goes down, he's elevated.

And if somone else's QB goes down, that team can claim him off your PS.

The ONLY way to ensure he stays in Dallas is to put him on the 53.

 

[Zman5]

Keeping Vaughan is saying something about Weeden as well as Vaughan

^This. I think they are keeping him around because they are more worried about Weeden's ability than Romo's back.

 

[rpntex]

^This. I think they are keeping him around because they are more worried about Weeden's ability than Romo's back.

If that were the case, Dallas would have already signed someone else at the #3.

 

[Zman5]

If that were the case, Dallas would have already signed someone else at the #3.

There may be more experienced QBs out ther than Vaughan but he has the advantage in that he knows the offense. Someone who comes in now will have to learn the offense. Also, Vaughan is someone with upside they can develop.

I think they want to keep him around for several reasons. One being Romo's back but the bigger reason is they may feel with some more experience in the system Vaughan may be the better option as the #2 QB.

I won't be surprised if they cut Weeden later in the season and Vaughan becomes the #2 depending on how he progresses.

 

[Nirvana]

Guy might be worth developing. That being said I want our future QB to come in the first round.

There is a lot to like about this guy. So much so that he may be one of the few things to be excited about with this team. He throws absolute darts, is tall and bigger than some linebackers. He threw for over 5,000 yards last season - something no other qb at any other level did. He is very poised in the pocket. He is also very smart and excelled in school.

The negatives I see are that his hands are small despite his overall big size. He holds the ball weird as a result, and accuracy is a concern for me, but he did complete well over 60% of his passes in college, and it's something that can be worked on. He also was a Div II guy and was facing lesser quality guys.

Overall, there is something about this guy. He could be the future. He's a bright spot.

 

[Zman5]

There is a lot to like about this guy. So much so that he may be one of the few things to be excited about with this team. He throws absolute darts, is tall and bigger than some linebackers. He threw for over 5,000 yards last season - something no other qb at any other level did. He is very poised in the pocket. He is also very smart and excelled in school.

The negatives I see are that his hands are small despite his overall big size. He holds the ball weird as a result, and accuracy is a concern for me, but he did complete well over 60% of his passes in college, and it's something that can be worked on. He also was a Div II guy and was facing lesser quality guys.

Overall, there is something about this guy. He could be the future. He's a bright spot.

Even if we draft a QB with a high pick, you want to have an option to have the rookie not play right away. You want a vet QB who knows the system around that can start while the rookie learns the NFL game. Maybe in few years, Vaughan can be this guy.

 

[rpntex]

There may be more experienced QBs out ther than Vaughan but he has the advantage in that he knows the offense. Someone who comes in now will have to learn the offense. Also, Vaughan is someone with upside they can develop.

I think they want to keep him around for several reasons. One being Romo's back but the bigger reason is they may feel with some more experience in the system Vaughan may be the better option as the #2 QB.

I won't be surprised if they cut Weeden later in the season and Vaughan becomes the #2 depending on how he progresses.

Vaughan may know the offense, but at this stage he doesn't have the capability of functioning at game speed in the offense. That is what an experienced QB brings, regardless of whether he knows this offense or not. Any vet they will be signed for the #3 role, and will have plenty of time to learn the offense.

No way Vaughan is elevated to the #2 spot, regardless of what happens to Romo or Weeden. Neither of them are going anywhere.

Dallas sees value in Vaughan, but not for 2014, and most likely, not for 2015. Dallas' plans for him are for the long term.

 

[Zman5]

Vaughan may know the offense, but at this stage he doesn't have the capability of functioning at game speed in the offense. That is what an experienced QB brings, regardless of whether he knows this offense or not. Any vet they will be signed for the #3 role, and will have plenty of time to learn the offense.

No way Vaughan is elevated to the #2 spot, regardless of what happens to Romo or Weeden. Neither of them are going anywhere.

Dallas sees value in Vaughan, but not for 2014, and most likely, not for 2015. Dallas' plans for him are for the long term.

If Romo goes down middle of the season, they aren't going to bring someone into start immediately. Either Weeden or Vaughan will start. As I said, it would depend on how he and Weeden progresses from now and then that will determine who will start. This is why I said, the reason they are keeping Vaughan on the active roster instead of PS is because they don't fully trust Weeden.

If Orton was still around, I doubt they would have kept Vaughan on the 53.

 

[Craig]

Id love to see him earn the trust to be the backup. He has enough things to like about him to open the possibility that he develops into a future starter.

 

[rpntex]

If Romo goes down middle of the season, they aren't going to bring someone into start immediately. Either Weeden or Vaughan will start. As I said, it would depend on how he and Weeden progresses from now and then that will determine who will start. This is why I said, the reason they are keeping Vaughan on the active roster instead of PS is because they don't fully trust Weeden.

If Orton was still around, I doubt they would have kept Vaughan on the 53.

You obviously don't understand how the practice squad works.

To sign a player to the PS, he has to be placed on waivers. If he clears waivers without being claimed by another team, then you may sign him to the practice squad. At any time during the season, another team can claim him off of your PS - and he's gone. Keeping him on the 53 was the only way to ensure Vaughan stayed in Dallas.

Try to see this one more time. If Romo gets hurt, Dallas will go out and sign a veteran QB - not to start, but to back up Weeden. Jimmy Johnson did the same thing in 1993, signing Bernie Kosar off the street to take over when Troy Aikman was injured, rather than elevating Jason Garrett - who wasn't ready (neither would Vaughan be this year). Kosar had a week to learn Dallas' offense, by the way.

Weeden is the back up, and will be all season. Vaughan will not see any live action this season unless Romo and Weden are injured in the same game. Vaughan has a huge upside, but he's going to take time to develop.