Vela: Please Don't Trade Our Starting RB

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MichaelWinicki;1420329 said:
I don't understand the hate for Julius. I think in many ways he's one of many guys that needs to be given an opportunity under the new regime. I don't know of another guy (outside of TO) who did more for this club last year that gets less respect.

I don't think it is hate, at least not for me and I have no problem with Jones staying but I do think he should compete for the job. I could say why the hate for Barber why do people not want to give him a chance to compete for the job? he has earned that based on play. I don't think hate has anything to do with this it is about production. If Jones shows he can do the job week in and week out then great but this spurts here and there is not good enough at least in my eyes, I expect more from my starting RB and there were just too many games Jones would vanish
 

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i would see what it would take to extend him. if it's too high i'm not opposed to just letting him play out his cntract and go. yes it would be nice to get something for him but i don't think we can get a pick that you could replace him with. if he goes we simply get a rb next year. next years rb class has got to be better than this one because this one is not all that great. my dream would be get mcfaddin next year and we have our selves a real super star rb again
 

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JPM;1420355 said:
A big contract.
Does that help ? ;)
Kinda. I just do not want Jerry Jones spending too much of his own money before asking for philo's input first. :)
 

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MichaelWinicki;1420329 said:
I don't understand the hate for Julius. I think in many ways he's one of many guys that needs to be given an opportunity under the new regime. I don't know of another guy (outside of TO) who did more for this club last year that gets less respect.

Parcells, for some unfathomable reasons, did not like Jones.That translated into Parcells never giving him encouragement publicly or saying anything positive about him and whining about his injuries.Then man boobs rested JJ and, of course, his yardage dropped and Barber was able to reap the benefits.Man boob's dislike of Jones has carried over to the lets-get-rid-of-Jones faction.They carry on the man boobs tradition.
 

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theogt;1420289 said:
So he had 8 good games. Let's look at the rush defense (based on YPC) of 6 of those 8 games.

Skins - 24th
Titans - 28th
Eagles - 25th
Texans - 21st
Skins - 24th
Colts - 32nd


What about the other two?
 

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austintodallas;1420262 said:
Please Don’t Trade Our Starting Tailback

By Rafael Vela

Blog regular Luke makes the case for keeping Julius Jones. Take it away, Luke:

I don’t see the appeal in trading Julius Jones and am surprised it’s being considered even if only half heartedly. As Jarhead has pointed out, who do you replace him with? Should go into this season relying solely on Marion [Barber] and [Tyson] Thompson (who is coming off a serious injury)?
Squidlo97 said earlier “my biggest question on Julius is why he didn’t run all year like he did against Seattle?”

I’ve heard this quite a few times on the blog and the answer is simple if you go look at his carries. He got 22 against the Seahawks for 112 yards. The last time he got over twenty carries was in the victory against the undefeated Colts in week 10. He had 20 for 79 with 3 receptions for 25. 105 total yards for the game, good no?

In fact every time Julius received the substantial amount of carries he put up solid numbers.

– Wk1 Jags – 17 for 72 at 4.2 (1 for 39 = 18 for 111 total)
– Wk2 Skins – 20 for 94 at 4.7
– Wk3 Titans – 23 for 122 at 5.3
– Wk4 Eagles – 26 for 100 at 3.8 (1 for 22 = 27 for 122)
– Wk5 Texans – 22 for 106 at 4.8
– Wk7 Panthers – 24 for 92 at 3.8
– Wk8 Skins – 20 for 73 at 3.7
– Wk10 Colts – 20 for 79 at 3.9 (3 for 25 = 23 for 104 total)

Eight games total where he received 17 or more carries.
Over these eight games he had 172 carries for 860 yards at a 5.0 average per carry.

Per game average over those eight games was 21.5 carries at 107.5 yards.
Even at this high rate of carries Jones was safe with the ball. He only fumbled once all year (week 2 against the Skins) in his 267 carries.
In the last six weeks Jones only got 65 carries and only rushed for 271 yards (4.1 average) but a lot of that came from one run, the 77 yarder against the Saints. To me this was also the period that the Oline started to wear down. Gurode was becoming inconsistent again and Rivera was melting right before our eyes.

With the Oline performance sinking this might be the reason that so many late carries were given to Marion Barber because he is more physical and better at yards after contact and creating his own hole and pushing the pile.
Julius also only caught 9 passes all year. I can’t fathom this. On his 9 catches he had 142 yards. That’s almost a 16 yard average per reception. Yet they only found a way to get him the ball nine times. I am hopeful however that Jason Garrett can find a way to get him the ball in the receiving game. Garrett’s former team the Dolphins got RB Ronnie Brown 33 receptions in 07.

Norv Turner, of whom I’ve heard Garrett’s offense might take some influence, found a way to get the ball into Frank Gore’s hands 61 times in the receiving game. Getting Julius into space is his strength, when he has space or a hole he looks as good as anyone in the league, why we didn’t try to get Julius into receiving space last year is beyond me and hopefully something that is rectified in 2008.

Is Jones the new Emmitt Smith? No, and we may never see the like of him again. But Jones is a solid back who has big play potential and he might play even better this year if he just gets the carries or at least a more even distribution. Marion had the advantage of coming into the game in the forth fresh against tired defenders. If Julius got some of those carries I think the stats show he could have made some plays too. It’s not a knock on Marion, I think he’s a great backup but I think his style would wear him out over whole season.

The signing of Chunk Davis for RG at the least should greatly improve the run blocking inside. Kozier, Gurode and Chunk could form an effective inside run blocking trio. Julius Jones could benefit more than any player from this new group. The new offense might also benefit Julius greatly if it involves getting the running back drawn into the passing game.

I see Julius Jones primed for a big season. The free agent additions and the new coaching style could favour him greatly. He is also in the last year of his contract and still has plenty to prove so motivation will not be an issue. What’s the real value in trading him for a second round pick even in the unlikely event we get offered it?

Outside of Peterson I can’t see anyone who could come in as a rookie and offer more than what Julius could give us this year and Peterson is way out of our range. Why not ride Julius hard this year? Forget the ‘worrying about Jones longevity’ that Bill Parcells wrought over and make full use of his talents, he might just have a super season and remind us of the freakish player we saw in his rookie year.
perhaps his touches are limited because he cannot handle a lot of touches for 16 weeks plus the playoffs. It is real simple....JuJo is going to be a free agent at the end of the year...he is probably looking for a double digit signing bonus....the Cowboys do not want to give it to him because they don't think he is special...so why not move him now instead of losing him for nothing. And like I have said many times...Troy Hambrick got almost 1000 yards without getting many touches...so that number should not be a benchmark for considering JuJo long term future with the team. If he could handle more touches and give you 1500 yards a season....this would not be a discussion. But he cannot break tackles and I think more touches would mean more injuries...obviously the Cowboys think the same way
 

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austintodallas;1420262 said:
With the Oline performance sinking this might be the reason that so many late carries were given to Marion Barber because he is more physical and better at yards after contact and creating his own hole and pushing the pile.

this is an interesting point that noone's debated yet
 

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GimmeTheBall!;1420363 said:
Parcells, for some unfathomable reasons, did not like Jones.That translated into Parcells never giving him encouragement publicly or saying anything positive about him and whining about his injuries.Then man boobs rested JJ and, of course, his yardage dropped and Barber was able to reap the benefits.Man boob's dislike of Jones has carried over to the lets-get-rid-of-Jones faction.They carry on the man boobs tradition.

Jones getting brought down by arm tackles is what is getting people, Jones not hitting the holes is getting people, Parcells did not create that. It is BS how people want to blame Parcells for players own shortcoming. One other reason why some are talking about trading Jones is because they would hate to see him leave and get nothing in return, if this was not the last year on his contract it would not be as big of an issue.
 

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GimmeTheBall!;1420363 said:
Parcells, for some unfathomable reasons, did not like Jones.That translated into Parcells never giving him encouragement publicly or saying anything positive about him and whining about his injuries.Then man boobs rested JJ and, of course, his yardage dropped and Barber was able to reap the benefits.Man boob's dislike of Jones has carried over to the lets-get-rid-of-Jones faction.They carry on the man boobs tradition.

It's Parcells' fault Julius has poor vision! It's Parcells' fault Julius can't break an arm tackle! It's Parcells' fault Julius never, ever cuts back!

:rolleyes:
 

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MrMom;1420388 said:
It's Parcells' fault Julius has poor vision! It's Parcells' fault Julius can't break an arm tackle! It's Parcells' fault Julius never, ever cuts back!

:rolleyes:

Agreed. Bill might have rushed JJ back from an injury his rookie year (questioning his toughness in the process), but that's about it.
 

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267 carries, 1084 yards, a 4.1 ypc average.


My God listening to some of you I didn't even waste precious synapse wondering if you have a "clue".
 

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MrMom;1420388 said:
It's Parcells' fault Julius has poor vision! It's Parcells' fault Julius can't break an arm tackle! It's Parcells' fault Julius never, ever cuts back!

:rolleyes:

Yes, it's all Parcell's fault.
 

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MrMom;1420388 said:
It's Parcells' fault Julius has poor vision! It's Parcells' fault Julius can't break an arm tackle! It's Parcells' fault Julius never, ever cuts back!

:rolleyes:

Jones looked a lot better as a rookie, when he was running on instinct. He cut back plenty when he needed to.

Then either Parcells or someone else in Dallas, told Jones to stick with the play at all costs - effectively neutering him.

I'm optimistic that free from Parcells overwhelming control, Jones may be able to create as a runner once again.
 

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MichaelWinicki;1420419 said:
267 carries, 1084 yards, a 4.1 ypc average.


My God listening to some of you I didn't even waste precious synapse wondering if you have a "clue".
I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. Those aren't great stats. They're not horrible, but they're nothing special. Some people want to be better than average in the NFL. Shocking, I know.
 

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Bob Sacamano;1420432 said:
I like Julius, but I even think the BP held Julius back argument is worthless

Looking at Jones as a rookie compared to last year's version, it looks like a reasonable conclusion to me.
 

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stasheroo;1420449 said:
Looking at Jones as a rookie compared to last year's version, it looks like a reasonable conclusion to me.

I've went over this a thousand times before, let's just say I believe the argument is pretty much worthless and leave it at that
 
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