Vick Indicted

[Doomsday101]

I think the prison setentencing varied, some got 6 years, others house arrest for x number of years but the most severe sentence was Jeffrey Skilling, he received 24 years in minimum security prison.

Your correct, my mistake Skilling was looking at over 100 but got 24 years

 

[Teague31]

and ray lewis was charged with murder... and jamal lewis was charged with drug distribution... how did those turn out?

 

[03EBZ06]

and ray lewis was charged with murder... and jamal lewis was charged with drug distribution... how did those turn out?

So are you saying Vick is innocent? Or saying Feds don't have any case to convict him?

 

[Vintage]

So are you saying Vick is innocent? Or saying Feds don't have any case to convict him?

I think its extremely obvious what he is saying.

 

[Doomsday101]

and ray lewis was charged with murder... and jamal lewis was charged with drug distribution... how did those turn out?

True he could walk hell they had DNA evidence at the crime scene in the OJ trail and he walked. It could happen not saying it can't but a lot will depend on what the Feds have we will have to see what they got

 

[03EBZ06]

I think its extremely obvious what he is saying.

That's because you are a very smart person, so good for you.

 

[cobra]

my money says he is never convicted... an indictment means nothing. i'm a defense attorney and can tell you numerous examples of clients i have had that have been indicted but never convicted. The old saying is that the government could get a ham sandwich indicted if they wanted to. its completely one sided with no cross examination or favorable evidence presented. mark it down- he walks.

I'm a defense attorney as well, although I haven't done criminal defense work since law school.

I noted earlier in this thread the rejoinder about ham sandwiches. But I am shocked to see you think a federal indictment means nothing. I would think anyone versed in the law and especially one who claims to be a criminal defense attorney would be aware of the fact that currently federal prosecutors have about a 95% conviction rate. And when we are aware of at least 4 strong cooperating witnesses, the likelihood of a co-conspirator turning on Vick, and probably a good number of other witnesses not named, the conviction rate only rises from there.

Perhaps you were confused and thought this was a state grand jury. Or perhaps you somehow were unaware of the difference between state indictments and federal indictments. That's the only thing that can explain your derisive attitude to this news. This is a big deal for Vick. Federal prosecutors don't go before grand juries unless they are certain they have evidence for conviction.

Sure, they can indict anyone. But they don't. They only indict those they know they can bag. And when it is a high profile target, that is even more true. And when they have a high profile target, they can and want to try make an example of them because of the press.

Vick is in real deep trouble here.

 

[cobra]

and ray lewis was charged with murder... and jamal lewis was charged with drug distribution... how did those turn out?

Are you really an attorney? I find it hard to believe that an attorney doesn't understand the difference in conviction rates for state felonies by district attorneys in state courts and federal RICO charges brought by federal prosecutors in federal district court. The two things aren't even remotely comparable. Any attorney knows that.

 

[Big Dakota]

my money says he is never convicted... an indictment means nothing. i'm a defense attorney and can tell you numerous examples of clients i have had that have been indicted but never convicted. The old saying is that the government could get a ham sandwich indicted if they wanted to. its completely one sided with no cross examination or favorable evidence presented. mark it down- he walks.

Mark it down, he fries Mr. big time Ozark county.

 

[03EBZ06]

Are you really an attorney? I find it hard to believe that an attorney doesn't understand the difference in conviction rates for state felonies by district attorneys in state courts and federal RICO charges brought by federal prosecutors in federal district court. The two things aren't even remotely comparable. Any attorney knows that.

That is why I had to ask for clarification.

 

[Vintage]

**** with the governments money, they mean business.

Mess around in dog fighting, 6 years...

Not that I am surprised, really. Actually, on second thought, that makes sense.

 

[Big Dakota]

Are you really an attorney? I find it hard to believe that an attorney doesn't understand the difference in conviction rates for state felonies by district attorneys in state courts and federal RICO charges brought by federal prosecutors in federal district court. The two things aren't even remotely comparable. Any attorney knows that.

No he's not, but he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night

 

[superpunk]

I am an attorney.

I am monitoring this thread.

Because it's a monitor lizard. See?

Is my white text screwing with your mind?

 

[Teague31]

sure conviction rates are higher in federal court cause the rules of evidence suck. he may very well be convicted. my only point was not to jump to conclusions and assume that an indictment automatically means a conviction will follow.

 

[Big Dakota]

I am an attorney.

I am monitoring this thread.

Because it's a monitor lizard. See?

Is my white text screwing with your mind?

But not a PC wiz i see.

 

[Teague31]

Are you really an attorney? I find it hard to believe that an attorney doesn't understand the difference in conviction rates for state felonies by district attorneys in state courts and federal RICO charges brought by federal prosecutors in federal district court. The two things aren't even remotely comparable. Any attorney knows that.

i've been practicing criminal defense for 9 years now, so yes i am an attorney.. i have a license and everything.

 

[AbeBeta]

True he could walk hell they had DNA evidence at the crime scene in the OJ trail and he walked. It could happen not saying it can't but a lot will depend on what the Feds have we will have to see what they got

A lawyer will have to clarify this but I would think the jury system differs for federal charges. The OJ trial was a "triumph" for the art/science of jury selection -- OJ's team was able to use their tremendous resources to determine the profile of a jury that was most likely to acquit. Part of the issue here was that the prosecution simply could not match the work the defense was doing here so they ended up making lots of decisions that likely helped the defense.

Anyone know what the federal trial system jury selection (voir dire) procedure looks like?

 

[Big Dakota]

A lawyer will have to clarify this but I would think the jury system differs for federal charges. The OJ trial was a "triumph" for the art/science of jury selection -- OJ's team was able to use their tremendous resources to determine the profile of a jury that was most likely to acquit. Part of the issue here was that the prosecution simply could not match the work the defense was doing here so they ended up making lots of decisions that likely helped the defense.

Anyone know what the federal trial system jury selection (voir dire) procedure looks like?

Plus, the glove didn't fit.

 

[Teague31]

A lawyer will have to clarify this but I would think the jury system differs for federal charges. The OJ trial was a "triumph" for the art/science of jury selection -- OJ's team was able to use their tremendous resources to determine the profile of a jury that was most likely to acquit. Part of the issue here was that the prosecution simply could not match the work the defense was doing here so they ended up making lots of decisions that likely helped the defense.

Anyone know what the federal trial system jury selection (voir dire) procedure looks like?

voir dire is pretty much the same but in federal court the judge will often ask the questions that the two sides have submitted in advance. the real differences lie in the rules of evidence.. the gov't can get away with much more as far as hearsay, etc. in federal court than they can in state court.

 

[Vintage]

A lawyer will have to clarify this but I would think the jury system differs for federal charges. The OJ trial was a "triumph" for the art/science of jury selection -- OJ's team was able to use their tremendous resources to determine the profile of a jury that was most likely to acquit. Part of the issue here was that the prosecution simply could not match the work the defense was doing here so they ended up making lots of decisions that likely helped the defense.

Anyone know what the federal trial system jury selection (voir dire) procedure looks like?

No kidding.

Vick will poor everything into his defense (as he should, his livelihood is at stake).

Which is to the tune of tens of millions of dollars.

The government can theoretically do the same, but they shouldn't (and God willing, won't).