Vick Indicted

[fortdick]

Can I get a hat tip for being first to suggest the RICO angle? Theogt? Peplaw? Anyone?

 

[jobberone]

its his own fault...he's been slamming him down everyone's throat for years, and doing everything he can to keep all of Vick's garbage under the rug...he gave him a ridiculous contract, ran off the only coach who has ever done anything positive on the field for the loser, hired another college coach and vastly overpaid to egt im, then proclaimed that the coach would decide who the QB would be, followed that up by promptly trading away the competition at QB before said coach ever saw him take one snap on the field...

Blank deserves whatever he gets

David

I agree with all of this esp the print in bold.

yeah ok...you keep telling yourself that..."Vick is innocent"..."Vick is innocent"

please...the guys been in this junk up to his neck for years...he's been in other bad stuff and he hangs out with some huge thugs...trouble finds trouble makers

David

He is innocent until proven guilty. However, we have gone beyond the realm of 'they' say this or that. This has always been serious esp in light of the animal abuse. But although I won't pass judgment until he's found guilty, I think he is in serious caca. And I hope if he's found guilty he does pay for it. Hurting dogs is some seriously screwed up stuff.

That is so beyond f'ed up that it is to the point of nauseating.

That's what I wanted to say.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

So you have no problem with guys on horses chasing calves, throwing ropes around their necks, throwing them to the ground and tieing up their legs for sport?

The NFL's image isn't really hurt because most people don't give a crap what kind of thugs play on their teams as long as they are talented thugs. When Irvin was throwing cocaine parties witih ho's, most of us didn't care because he was the second best receiver in the NFL.

If Vick played for the Cowboys, the moral majority wouldn't be so quick to suspend him before a hearing.

 

[03EBZ06]

A friend of mine just sent this email out to our group. He's been an attorney for over 30 years and knows his stuff. Some of this was already touched upon by Cobra:

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I wholeheartedly agree that an indictment is no evidence of guilt, and that Vick is, in the eyes of the criminal justice system, innocent until proven guilty. With that obvious disclaimer, however, I will share with you my experience with federal prosecutors.

In state court, a defendant generally resigns himself to an indictment because the prosecutor has wide latitude to indict and much of the investigation is done post-indictment. Therefore, a defense lawyer doesn't really get to work defending the case and trying to get it disposed of until after the indictment goes down. Federal prosecutors are very different. The United States Attorney does not indict unless he (1) has already done 99% of his investigation and obtained 99% of the evidence he will use at trial, and (2) is convinced that the evidence he has obtained against the defendant will result in a conviction. As a result, in the federal system, the defense lawyer's efforts are largely geared towards preventing an indictment, since once an indictment is obtained the die is cast and your guy is going to federal-pound-you-in-the-***-prison.

And this indictment (which I pulled down from the Court's website) shows that to be the case here. The indictment identifies four "Cooperating Witness[es]." The first Cooperating Witness (referred to as CW#1 in the indictment) was the guy from whom Vick purchased four pit bulls in early 2002. (Indict at Para. 9.) In February 2002, Vick "rolled" or "tested" some of his pit bulls agaisnt other dogs owned by CW#1 to determine how well the dog fought. It is implied that CW#1 would be able to testify as to the disposal of underperforming dogs.

The second Cooperating Witness ("CW#2") observed Vick at two separate dog fights in June 2002. (Indict. at Para. 47.) At that fight, CW#2 agreed to a fight between his dogs and "Bad Newz Kennels'" (i.e., the outfit co-owned by Vick) dogs. Vick was present at the March 2003 fight between his dog and CW#2's. Vick's dog lost, and after consultation with Vick, Vick's coconspirator "executed the losing dog by wetting the dog down with water and electrocuting the animal." (Indict. at Para. 53.)

The third Cooperating Witness ("CW#3"), had a dog fight against Vick's in Fall 2003. (Indict. at Para. 67.) "During the fight, CW#3 was criticized by a person unknown to the Grand Jury from "Bad Newz Kennels" for CW#3's having yelled out VICK's name in front of the crowd during the dog fight." (Indict. at Para. 68.)

This brings us to Cooperating Witness #4 ("CW#4"), who owned a female pit bull named Trouble against one of Vick's dogs. Vick's dog lost, and Vick personally paid CW#4 the purse money of approximately $7,000. (Indict. at Para. 76.)

That's four witnesses--all of whom can put Vick at the scene of the dog fights and all of whom can testify to his active participation in said fights. And that's only the ones that the US Attorney feels confident enough to put in the Indictment--who knows how many other Cooperating Witnesses may be out there.

Personally, I suspect one of Vick's co-defendants will become CW#5 before the trial is done.

Yes, yes--Vick is innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the law. But for our purposes here, the ****er's going down.

Thanks for sharing this email, makes it much easier to understand the indictment. Certainly doesn't look good for Vick but we'll see how it all ends up.

 

[Seven]

So you have no problem with guys on horses chasing calves, throwing ropes around their necks, throwing them to the ground and tieing up their legs for sport?

The NFL's image isn't really hurt because most people don't give a crap what kind of thugs play on their teams as long as they are talented thugs. When Irvin was throwing cocaine parties witih ho's, most of us didn't care because he was the second best receiver in the NFL.

If Vick played for the Cowboys, the moral majority wouldn't be so quick to suspend him before a hearing.

Please. Don't throw anything related to the Cowboys, players or fan to try and make a very futile point. Don't be so fast to judge what we did or did not do with the Irvin situation. Weak.

Roping calves?........... Weak + 2, dude.

 

[03EBZ06]

Does anyone here think Poindexter is surprised at what the Feds found?

And I wonder if anyone has asked Portis his erudite opinion now?

I have a feeling that incompetent fool won't have that job too long. Perhaps he too is involved in some way, his actions are very suspicious

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It'll take more than an indictment for him to miss any games this year. This is his first strike, correct? Or did he have previous scrapes with the law? He doesn't appear to be a serial offender like his little brother.

I suspect that the Feds have been looking at Vick for some time now. They actually tried to get him on this same thing in Georgia, I think it was, two years ago but they couldn't indict. I don't think this is something they just happened upon these past few months. I think they've been building a case for this for some time. I think the NFL new about this and I think that's why both commisionars have spoken with Vick on serveral occasions. No proof but this is what I think.

 

[gbrittain]

So you have no problem with guys on horses chasing calves, throwing ropes around their necks, throwing them to the ground and tieing up their legs for sport?

The NFL's image isn't really hurt because most people don't give a crap what kind of thugs play on their teams as long as they are talented thugs. When Irvin was throwing cocaine parties witih ho's, most of us didn't care because he was the second best receiver in the NFL.

If Vick played for the Cowboys, the moral majority wouldn't be so quick to suspend him before a hearing.

First of all, no I do not have a problem with it. For the sake of argument lets say I do.

It still does not mean that the two sins are equal. Watch a calf roping event and then watch to dogs fight to death or near death and tell me they are equal on the grotesque scale.

I have a problem with someone smashing a mail box in for fun. I have a problem with someone buring a house down for fun.

Which one is worse and deserves the more severe penalty and is deserving of more outrage?

 

[Roughneck]

So you have no problem with guys on horses chasing calves, throwing ropes around their necks, throwing them to the ground and tieing up their legs for sport?

Nowhere in that sentence did I see you mention the killing of calves through fighting each other or the use of strangulation, drowning, or electrocution, so no, the two still aren't anything alike.

If Vick played for the Cowboys, the moral majority wouldn't be so quick to suspend him before a hearing.

I've read some BS on this site before but damn, that one takes the cake. If you honestly believe that the majority of fans on this site wouldn't want Vick not only suspended but completely kicked off of the team, then you would be in for a serious reality check.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Please, as Cowboy fans, we put up with a ton from our players in the 1990s it isn't even funny. We just turned the other cheek.

As for the points about electrocuting the dogs, having them fight to the death, at this point they are just allegations and need to be proven.

 

[Seven]

Please, as Cowboy fans, we put up with a ton from our players in the 1990s it isn't even funny. We just turned the other cheek.

As for the points about electrocuting the dogs, having them fight to the death, at this point they are just allegations and need to be proven.

So ya think they bought the dogs to bring 'em home to bury? Is that some form of a foreign delicacy? They dig 'em up later and BBQ 'em?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

So ya think they bought the dogs to bring 'em home to bury? Is that some form of a foreign delicacy? They dig 'em up later and BBQ 'em?

A sort of Kim Chee thing? I don't know, I don't think it's going to go over well but I thought there would be no way anybody would ever want to eat bean sprouts so, you know.....

 

[gbrittain]

Please, as Cowboy fans, we put up with a ton from our players in the 1990s it isn't even funny. We just turned the other cheek.

As for the points about electrocuting the dogs, having them fight to the death, at this point they are just allegations and need to be proven.

That is right, typically the other dog taps out. Never fatal.

Actually, from my understanding for the most part the dogs do not get killed by other dogs. The dogs get maimed beyond repair and must be killed by the owner.

Read This: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19028969/site/newsweek/

 

[Seven]

A sort of Kim Chee thing? I don't know, I don't think it's going to go over well but I thought there would be no way anybody would ever want to eat bean sprouts so, you know.....

Yeah, Kim Chee. I had a Korean neighbor that used to do that. Seen her out there diggin' up jars of stuff they'd later eat.

Hey, Maybe tha could be Vicks angle. "Feds ruin BBQ intended for handicapped children."

BTW....Just what's wrong with bean sprouts?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yeah, Kim Chee. I had a Korean neighbor that used to do that. Seen her out there diggin' up jars of stuff they'd later eat.

Hey, Maybe tha could be Vicks angle. "Feds ruin BBQ intended for handicapped children."

Well, if what we are hearing is anywhere close to accurate, that might be about the best defence he can muster.

 

[Seven]

Well, if what we are hearing is anywhere close to accurate, that might be about the best defence he can muster.

Poindexter owes me ten bucks then........

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Well.... its early....

If I remember correctly... there was a famous athlete that beat his case when it seemed like there was no way he could.... his name slips my mind

Money and Defense team = getting off

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well.... its early....

If I remember correctly... there was a famous athlete that beat his case when it seemed like there was no way he could.... his name slips my mind

Money and Defense team = getting off

This is Federal. His was not. It's a different ball game but your point is taken.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Poindexter owes me ten bucks then........

Fuzzy is probably rolling over about now.

 

[ilovejerry]

What a scum bag, greedy puke ! I hope they throw the book at him if its true. Why would he get involved with anyone who was doing this sort of thing, Let that be a lesson for the rest of these guys ( athletes ) who surround themselves with there posse or family or whatever, Your lay down with dogs you get fleas. ( pun intended ).
No sympathy for him this is a sickening act, Yeah Thats right I'm a card caring member Of PETA "So what !!"