Vick signs with Philadelphia...***Mort Confirms***

[punchnjudy]

I don't think Vick is a threat to do anything in Philly, but if he does all we have to do is send his cell phone and/or street address to a certain infamous Eagles fan/dog loving activist from the old DMN boards, and believe me the man will never be able to think about football again.

 

[lewpac]

good pick up by the eagles, a lot of you are going to probably be surprised

Uh uh.....................

If he doesn't play, which he probably won't for a while, those obnoxious big mouths in Philly will start hollering and throwing batteries and snow balls.

If he DOES play, anything less than his 2003 highlight films won't do, and they'll boo him, Reid and Laurie to death.

The only "out" in Philly, given this guy and their fan base, is for Vick to come to FatNabbs rescue and win a SB..............which will NEVER happen.

It's a no-win, no-win situation. Like I said, the only good that can come from this is that Vick get re-instated at a place where he technically doesn't have to do anything but hang out for a couple years and get comfortable back into the NFL. Of course, by then, he'll be 31 or so and shot-out.

Micheal Vick's career is over any way you slice it. The only job he can get is as some "gimmick" player waiting for McNubb to get hurt. Because the only way he's gonna' get on the field, outside of some stupid "wild-cat" gimmick crap, if for FatNabb to get hurt or go into his usual slump at midseason. And then, if he's doesn't perform ala 2003 (which is probably physically impossible at this stage), they're gonna' crucify him up there.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Not a bad fit, provided he learns how to trust his recievers and read a defense (I'm not holding my breath).

I'm not a fan of this move but I'm trying to see the positive, and hope for the best.

I'm waiting to see if this turns out to be a good move or not also. The potential is there ..no QB controversy, McNabb and Vick have good history, Coach AR has the compassion and experience with giving second chances (e.g., his sons, T.O., etc), and Vick needs to prove to the world that he is remorseful and can bounce back from his two-year absence from the NFL.

Vick is not on any pedestal of mine, but if the Eagles Management can take a risk with Vick, I'm willing to give the Eagles my support regarding this matter.

By the way, good Hearing from you TE77.

PT

 

[Hostile]

I'm waiting to see if this turns out to be a good move or not also. The potential is there ..no QB controversy, McNabb and Vick have good history, Coach AR has the compassion and experience with giving second chances (e.g., his sons, T.O., etc), and Vick needs to prove to the world that he is remorseful and can bounce back from his two-year absence from the NFL.

Vick is not on any pedestal of mine, but if the Eagles Management can take a risk with Vick, I'm willing to give the Eagles my support regarding this matter.

By the way, good Hearing from you TE77.

PT

No kidding, when was it he gave TO a 2nd chance? I must have missed that amidst the remainder of the season suspension.

 

[lewpac]

No kidding, when was it he gave TO a 2nd chance? I must have missed that amidst the remainder of the season suspension.

Yeah, I agree. I don't get the example used (about his own son's) to indicate Andy Rieds propensity to give "second chances".

Any second chance or break that the guy gives his own two sons is not relevant, because his sons behavior and drug related activity landed them in the hands of the law and the legal system. Whatever forgiveness he gave them, most any father would do the same.............but it's technically a mute point, because all his "second chances" he gives his kids ain't gonna' get them out of the soup with a judge.

In other words, Rieds not some savior or great redeemer simply because, as a father, he still loves his sons "no matter what"! Most, if not every parent would do the same.

T.O.?? Yeah, he probably gave T.O. umpteen chances that we'll never know about. A couple of them we do know about, the things that got out. But there's no knowing the amount of guff and grief that Reid endured until he finally pulled the plug on T.O.

Bottom line, like Tony Dungy said very clearly..................Don't make the mistake that the Eagles retained Vicks services because they have big hearts and want to play social worker and help this guy out. They retained him to help them win games! Period! Yeah, they get the residual nod and "thank you" for "giving him a second chance", but that's siimply a by-product of the agenda.

Don't think for a second that the Eagles did this soley to provide an NFL Half-Way house to a down-trodden guy who needs a break. Like their some kind of church or rehab center..................They went after him for football reasons, and football reasons alone.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

No kidding, when was it he gave TO a 2nd chance? I must have missed that amidst the remainder of the season suspension.

Yeah, no kidding! This isn't about TO, and I don't think you miss much of anything.

However, you did miss the context of what I was saying. TO came from the 49ers with a strike one against him in bad-mouthing Garcia. The "second" chance I was referring to was when the Eagles ("he" = AR) initially signed TO ...a risky business at best. TO got the boot because he became a cancer within the Franchise; as you already know. Your team gave him the "third" chance that he blew last year; at least Jerry Jones believed enough was enough!

Again, TO was merely being mentioned in regard to "taking a risk" ...as we're doing with Vick.

PT

 

[lewpac]

OK, but BOTH the Vick/Eagle signing, and the T.O/Eagle & Dallas matchings were/are "Deals with the devil" any way you slice it.

Hell, T.O. going to Buffalo is a Faustian deal for the Bills too. I haven't taken the time, but I'll betcha' every NFL team, at one time or another has said "Ok, he's got a pretty scary down-side to him, but he brings enough to the table to bring him on board". Or, they stick with a "problem child" they drafted, who's developed into a real pain in the *** and a distraction, because the game they bring ON THE FIELD is worth the price of admission.

Niners - Ricky Watters
Miami - Ricky Williams
Bengals - Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson
Patriots - Randy Moss
Giants - Jeremy Shawkey, Plaxico Burress
Browns - Kellen Winslow Jr. (now in Tampa)
Ravens - Ray Lewis
Dallas - Almost a yearly thing.
Raiders - The obvious poster child...............

Just to name a few.................I'm sure many around here can add to this list. Mike Vick is just the latest example of a franchise willing to play the prostitute/*****, and wager that THIS TIME, he'll maybe be worth all the hassle it otherwise takes to keep this guy around.

Nothing upsets me more, in 2009, than when I hear someone say "Yeah, well, they BOUGHT a Championshp". That baby went out with the bath water back in the mid-70's and George Steinbrenner. It's been THREE DECADES where, you DON'T GET a Trophy unless you "BUY IT" in one way, shape form or another. It's the "motis operenda'" in professional sports with the advent of free agency, salary caps, etc............. "Buying a championship???" OF COURSE they BOUGHT the Championship!! Is there any other way??

That's all the Beagles are doing. The same as anyone else would do. No matter what the cost, the money, the hit to the franchise, the "image", their standing with PETA, the politics, etc................doesn't matter. It'a all about winning a championship...................of which the Eagles never will.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

That's all the Beagles are doing. The same as anyone else would do. No matter what the cost, the money, the hit to the franchise, the "image", their standing with PETA, the politics, etc....doesn't matter. It'a all about winning a championship..........of which the Eagles never will.

I agree with your faustian deal concept.

One exception ..."It'a (sic) all about winning a championship..........of which the Eagles" ... have already won 3; and will never stop striving to win their 1st SB Trophy.

PT

 

[lewpac]

I agree with your faustian deal concept.

One exception ..."It'a (sic) all about winning a championship..........of which the Eagles" ... have already won 3; and will never stop striving to win their 1st SB Trophy.

PT[/quotYou

You're right. Sorry.................

I was thinking about NFL Footballl AFTER the leather helmets and AFTER they came up with face-masks.

Somehow, the history of the world, in my mind, largely consists of events only in MY LIFETIME. I read a study on that recently, the way people think about past events. And I can't help it that I was ONLY born in 1960!!!!

Listen, if you're an Eagle Phan, God bless ya'. There are worse franchise's to pony-up to. They're one of the flag-ship NFL shops with a long and distinguished history. No one can legitimately diss some of your storied players. Steve Van Buren, Chuck Bednerik, Wilbert Montgomery, Ron Jaworsky, Randall Cunningham, and yes, even (gulp) Donovan McNabb.

Maybe someday, Micheal Vick will be added to the list of Eagle greats.

But any legit Eagle Phan has GOT to realize that ANY TIME you get into a scrum with ANY OTHER NFC East team's fans, no matter what honest points you can make about you're teams success's.................you KNOW you're gonna' hear about the "no rings" as a deal closer. Especially Cowboy fans who, until very recently, we're tied with two other teams with the most SB Trophys. And, it won't be long until we get those Steelers back to even. The Niners may never win another Ring, so they're off the radar.

You guys, as much as I despise the Eagles...............I'm not gonna' be an idiot and not admit that you've had some good times and great teams. Especially this last decade. In fact, your team, in the NFC, is probably "the team of the decade" if ya' gotta' pick one. The effects of Free Agency really took full bloom in the 2,000's, but the Eagles pretty much dominated by getting to six Conference Champ. games and a SB. I mean, even I can't deny THAT!

The only way you're gonna' be able to get rid of that 10,000 lb. Gorilla in the room is to win a SB Trophy. AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT!!!

 

[sbark]

caught this comment on Tv....

Hide your beagles.......Vick is an Eagle......

 

[ajk23az]

I agree with your faustian deal concept.

One exception ..."It'a (sic) all about winning a championship..........of which the Eagles" ... have already won 3; and will never stop striving to win their 1st SB Trophy.

PT

Whatever makes you sleep better at night. You and everyone else knows nobody counts "championships"...

 

[lewpac]

Whatever makes you sleep better at night. You and everyone else knows nobody counts "championships"...

Ya' know, not to pile on, but...........

I even count those Packers/60's years as "faux" and "has been" rings. Really. I know that it's blasthemy amongst the ESPN/Chris Berman crowd, but it doesn't wash with me. Hell, they're still living off of that ancient crap up in Green Bay even until this day. What's it been, 35 years or so now? Give it up already.

Anytime when a team won a "championship" where the players smoked cigarettes and had to find a job in the off-season................to me it OFFICIALLY no longer matters and isn't "prime-time". The smoking and the job thing is a pretty stong hint that NFL Football wasn't the "be all and end all" to these old-timers lives. Nothing close to what it is nowadays.

The last Eagle "championship" was in 1960 with Bednerik et. al..........
There were only maybe 8 teams in the "league" or whatever. Nobody's uniforms fit correctly. Stadiums didn't have lights for cryin' out loud. People still played both-ways (Bednerik). Clothes-line tackles weren't illegal. Crack-back blocking was legal. Recievers got mugged at the line of scrimmage and all over the field. Players were paid $800.00 a game and had to work in the steel mill in the off season to make ends meet.

No "championship" before the merger should be given any credance or respect. And that inclludes the first five Super Bowl winners.............the Packers, Cheifs, Raiders and the Jets. Because THEY "won SB's" when the NFL played the off-shoot AFL expansion league. The first SB winner after the "merger", the Dallas Cowboys (24-3 over the Dolphins) is the FIRST after the NFC/AFC merger, and THAT'S where modern history begins.

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

I agree with your faustian deal concept.

One exception ..."It'a (sic) all about winning a championship..........of which the Eagles" ... have already won 3; and will never stop striving to win their 1st SB Trophy.

PT[/quotYou

You're right. Sorry.................

I was thinking about NFL Footballl AFTER the leather helmets and AFTER they came up with face-masks.

Somehow, the history of the world, in my mind, largely consists of events only in MY LIFETIME. I read a study on that recently, the way people think about past events. And I can't help it that I was ONLY born in 1960!!!!

Listen, if you're an Eagle Phan, God bless ya'. There are worse franchise's to pony-up to. They're one of the flag-ship NFL shops with a long and distinguished history. No one can legitimately diss some of your storied players. Steve Van Buren, Chuck Bednerik, Wilbert Montgomery, Ron Jaworsky, Randall Cunningham, and yes, even (gulp) Donovan McNabb.

Maybe someday, Micheal Vick will be added to the list of Eagle greats.

But any legit Eagle Phan has GOT to realize that ANY TIME you get into a scrum with ANY OTHER NFC East team's fans, no matter what honest points you can make about you're teams success's.................you KNOW you're gonna' hear about the "no rings" as a deal closer. Especially Cowboy fans who, until very recently, we're tied with two other teams with the most SB Trophys. And, it won't be long until we get those Steelers back to even. The Niners may never win another Ring, so they're off the radar.

You guys, as much as I despise the Eagles...............I'm not gonna' be an idiot and not admit that you've had some good times and great teams. Especially this last decade. In fact, your team, in the NFC, is probably "the team of the decade" if ya' gotta' pick one. The effects of Free Agency really took full bloom in the 2,000's, but the Eagles pretty much dominated by getting to six Conference Champ. games and a SB. I mean, even I can't deny THAT!

The only way you're gonna' be able to get rid of that 10,000 lb. Gorilla in the room is to win a SB Trophy. AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT!!!

I know.

PT

 

[lewpac]

I know.

PT

Good.

 

[Eaglestart]

Ya' know, not to pile on, but...........

I even count those Packers/60's years as "faux" and "has been" rings. Really. I know that it's blasthemy amongst the ESPN/Chris Berman crowd, but it doesn't wash with me. Hell, they're still living off of that ancient crap up in Green Bay even until this day. What's it been, 35 years or so now? Give it up already.

Anytime when a team won a "championship" where the players smoked cigarettes and had to find a job in the off-season................to me it OFFICIALLY no longer matters and isn't "prime-time". The smoking and the job thing is a pretty stong hint that NFL Football wasn't the "be all and end all" to these old-timers lives. Nothing close to what it is nowadays.

The last Eagle "championship" was in 1960 with Bednerik et. al..........
There were only maybe 8 teams in the "league" or whatever. Nobody's uniforms fit correctly. Stadiums didn't have lights for cryin' out loud. People still played both-ways (Bednerik). Clothes-line tackles weren't illegal. Crack-back blocking was legal. Recievers got mugged at the line of scrimmage and all over the field. Players were paid $800.00 a game and had to work in the steel mill in the off season to make ends meet.

No "championship" before the merger should be given any credance or respect. And that inclludes the first five Super Bowl winners.............the Packers, Cheifs, Raiders and the Jets. Because THEY "won SB's" when the NFL played the off-shoot AFL expansion league. The first SB winner after the "merger", the Dallas Cowboys (24-3 over the Dolphins) is the FIRST after the NFC/AFC merger, and THAT'S where modern history begins.

Wow! So, because they changed the name of the chanpionship game to the "Superbowl", it doesn't count? You do realize this was done strictly for marketing reason's, right? I wonder if the Cowboy's were one of those first 5 teams you'd be singing a different song?

 

[zrinkill]

Wow! So, because they changed the name of the chanpionship game to the "Superbowl", it doesn't count? You do realize this was done strictly for marketing reason's, right? I wonder if the Cowboy's were one of those first 5 teams you'd be singing a different song?

Yea .....

Because 10-13 teams going for a championship wearing leather helmets is the same as today's modern 32 NFL Teams going for a Superbowl.

 

[Rampage]

Wow! So, because they changed the name of the chanpionship game to the "Superbowl", it doesn't count? You do realize this was done strictly for marketing reason's, right? I wonder if the Cowboy's were one of those first 5 teams you'd be singing a different song?

maybe you should read what he wrote again

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

maybe you should read what he wrote again

Eaglestart read it correctly. While I acknowledged what lewpac said ...sometimes the tree that bends survives the strong winds. lewpac infers that those early championship games (pre superbowl era) weren't as important, or had less value than the much sought after Lombardi trophy Superbowl games of today.

Hence, I must say that regardless of your fan affiliation, today's players, coaches and franchises stand on the shoulders of those leather helmet wearing, roughnecks who played pre-merger; and for far less money. These are the giants of the NFL-AFL ...American football. For the sake of getting the Point of the Eagles not having won a Superbowl yet ...lewpac made his point. But those early NFL Championship games (pre-superbowl era) were just as important and held just as much significance as Championships today!

I think we should all be proud of those early American Football pioneers that formed, and created what the game is as we speak.

PT

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Yea .....

Because 10-13 teams going for a championship wearing leather helmets is the same as today's modern 32 NFL Teams going for a Superbowl.

Absolutely!

PT

 

[Rampage]

Eaglestart read it correctly. While I acknowledged what lewpac said ...sometimes the tree that bends survives the strong winds. lewpac infers that those early championship games (pre superbowl era) weren't as important, or had less value than the much sought after Lombardi trophy Superbowl games of today.

Hence, I must say that regardless of your fan affiliation, today's players, coaches and franchises stand on the shoulders of those leather helmet wearing, roughnecks who played pre-merger; and for far less money. These are the giants of the NFL-AFL ...American football. For the sake of getting the Point of the Eagles not having won a Superbowl yet ...lewpac made his point. But those early NFL Championship games (pre-superbowl era) were just as important and held just as much significance as Championships today!

I think we should all be proud of those early American Football pioneers that formed, and created what the game is as we speak.

PT

I don't think he did.

Ya' know, not to pile on, but...........

I even count those Packers/60's years as "faux" and "has been" rings. Really. I know that it's blasthemy amongst the ESPN/Chris Berman crowd, but it doesn't wash with me. Hell, they're still living off of that ancient crap up in Green Bay even until this day. What's it been, 35 years or so now? Give it up already.

Anytime when a team won a "championship" where the players smoked cigarettes and had to find a job in the off-season................to me it OFFICIALLY no longer matters and isn't "prime-time". The smoking and the job thing is a pretty stong hint that NFL Football wasn't the "be all and end all" to these old-timers lives. Nothing close to what it is nowadays.

The last Eagle "championship" was in 1960 with Bednerik et. al..........
There were only maybe 8 teams in the "league" or whatever. Nobody's uniforms fit correctly. Stadiums didn't have lights for cryin' out loud. People still played both-ways (Bednerik). Clothes-line tackles weren't illegal. Crack-back blocking was legal. Recievers got mugged at the line of scrimmage and all over the field. Players were paid $800.00 a game and had to work in the steel mill in the off season to make ends meet.

No "championship" before the merger should be given any credance or respect. And that inclludes the first five Super Bowl winners.............the Packers, Cheifs, Raiders and the Jets. Because THEY "won SB's" when the NFL played the off-shoot AFL expansion league. The first SB winner after the "merger", the Dallas Cowboys (24-3 over the Dolphins) is the FIRST after the NFC/AFC merger, and THAT'S where modern history begins.

so Eaglestart read this

Wow! So, because they changed the name of the chanpionship game to the "Superbowl", it doesn't count? You do realize this was done strictly for marketing reason's, right? I wonder if the Cowboy's were one of those first 5 teams you'd be singing a different song?

yet came away asking this dumb question