Video released of FSU's De'Andre Johnson allegedly punching woman

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Both idiots. Both wrong... but she just went racial for no reason?

I was not there so I don't know all the facts. Just based on what I have seen and read I agree with you both wrong and both idiots. Only thing is, he is paying the higher price for his stupidity.
 

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She's not a "woman", she's a college kid getting drunk at a bar. You're expecting too much. Coming from a school about as big as FSU, let me tell you first hand. There are some plenty of girls that act completely insane when they drink. Guys too definitely, but girls are not immune to it is what I'm saying. You wouldn't believe some of the things that you see at these dive bars with a bunch of 19-25 year olds. (plenty of underage using fakes that actually scan, impossible to tell)

I also understand why people are saying he should have kept a cool head, but why didn't SHE keep a cool head? She's likely over 18, she's an adult. She needs to act like one as well. A guy nudged you at a bar, deal with it. And to the guy that said he'd "do more than raise a fist" if someone nudged him, right bro. Good morals. You're either a) going to jail and rocking that criminal record like a G, or b) getting your butt rocked by half the football team and having people trip over you for the next 30 minutes.

She's definitely not innocent, and while she took the worst of it, she's mostly at fault as well. She's also probably older than him, she should know better than to swing at a complete stranger. To be completely honest, that punch to the face might have saved her life later. People need to be teaching their kids not to ever initiate violence under any circumstance unless your life is threatened, otherwise it leads to stupid things like this or even worse. If she did that in a street to a complete stranger she might have suffered far, far worse.

In conclusion, they're both really dumb kids who have a lot of growing up to do. Give them both 100 hours of community service and call it a day.

I agree with you but as I just mentioned in the end her consequences is nothing while his cost him big time.
 

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I was not there so I don't know all the facts. Just based on what I have seen and read I agree with you both wrong and both idiots. Only thing is, he is paying the higher price for his stupidity.

He should have done the famous Mayweather shoulder roll. Lol
 

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Just curious. I wonder off there was more to it leading up to her initial actions?

Did he grab her butt?
Did he bang into and say something stupid like, sorry ho?
Did he say something sexual?

I don't see a woman just loafing up with punches and kicks to the groin for no reason at all?
You know what I think? I think him bumping her was purely accidental. He wasn't muscling in to get to HER spot. See the two big girls who were at the bar first? One had a cigarette, I think. They weren't moving, at all. He was muscling past THEM and bumped ol girl by accident.

And it escalated from there. At least that's how I see it.
 

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You know what I think? I think him bumping her was purely accidental. He wasn't muscling in to get to HER spot. See the two big girls who were at the bar first? One had a cigarette, I think. They weren't moving, at all. He was muscling past THEM and bumped ol girl by accident.

And it escalated from there. At least that's how I see it.

"ol girl"

Lol



Could have been accidental... Could have been... One of the two "big girls" hip checked him other girl #3....could have been he said, ***** it, I'm getting in here.
 

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She's not a "woman", she's a college kid getting drunk at a bar. You're expecting too much. Coming from a school about as big as FSU, let me tell you first hand. There are some plenty of girls that act completely insane when they drink. Guys too definitely, but girls are not immune to it is what I'm saying. You wouldn't believe some of the things that you see at these dive bars with a bunch of 19-25 year olds. (plenty of underage using fakes that actually scan, impossible to tell)

I also understand why people are saying he should have kept a cool head, but why didn't SHE keep a cool head? She's likely over 18, she's an adult. She needs to act like one as well. A guy nudged you at a bar, deal with it. And to the guy that said he'd "do more than raise a fist" if someone nudged him, right bro. Good morals. You're either a) going to jail and rocking that criminal record like a G, or b) getting your butt rocked by half the football team and having people trip over you for the next 30 minutes.

She's definitely not innocent, and while she took the worst of it, she's mostly at fault as well. She's also probably older than him, she should know better than to swing at a complete stranger. To be completely honest, that punch to the face might have saved her life later. People need to be teaching their kids not to ever initiate violence under any circumstance unless your life is threatened, otherwise it leads to stupid things like this or even worse. If she did that in a street to a complete stranger she might have suffered far, far worse.

In conclusion, they're both really dumb kids who have a lot of growing up to do. Give them both 100 hours of community service and call it a day.

Fair enough.
 

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"ol girl"

Lol
ya know my urban comes out sometimes. Lol

Could have been accidental... Could have been... One of the two "big girls" hip checked him other girl #3....could have been he said, ***** it, I'm getting in here.
It could be all of that. Big girls not moving. Him being like, "yeah, I'm just gone get in there." hip/back checked by big girl. Bumping into ol girl..and then all downhill from there.
 

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ya know my urban comes out sometimes. Lol

It could be all of that. Big girls not moving. Him being like, "yeah, I'm just gone get in there." hip/back checked by big girl. Bumping into ol girl..and then all downhill from there.

I just say that because I am a courteous person by nature. Well aware of people around me.... But I have experienced the rudest/discourteous people.

Just unfortunate on all levels.

Anyway..he will get ray rice lawyer and all will be fine... For him
 

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Quite a few, thanks. And if someone shoved me like Johnson shoved her I would do more than raise a fist.



What video are you watching?

(1:45) She beats him to the spot, turns around and says something to Johnson. Imo her manner didn't appear to be unfriendly at that point (although I will admit it's hard to be sure).

(1:55) Johnson continues his attempt to muscle on thru. In the process he shoves her into the edge of the bar. She turns around, objects and raises a fist. He responds by grabbing her wrist (fairly roughly, I might add).

(2:02) She responds by launching an ineffectual left, he counters with a vicious right to her jaw.

Is my timeline wrong? If not, there is no way any reasonable person can legitimately claim that she started this.

What video are you watching!? watch this one here

(0:05) She clearly gets to the bar first, but you can also clearly see there is another person to her left.

(0:07) Johnson says something to the girl to the left and she slowly begins to move

(0:11) The girl whom he had the altercation with begins moving into the spot vacated by the other girl, when he already had his arm on the bar in an attempt to get this spot.

At what point do you see him muscle thru her? Where is this shove?

(0:13) She turns around and almost immediately raises her fist. Also her left forearm is in his chest, I can't tell if he is grabbing that arm, but her forearm is clearly attempting to push him back.

Please tell me what he did prior to that, that warranted her to react that way?

(0:17) He grabs her arm in reaction to her raising her fist at him.
 

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Bull. There was no way she is showing any intent to hit him that justified a professional-caliber athlete to grab her arm and refuse to let go.

The facts are he initiated the physical jostling then he initiated the assault. He doesn't get to cry and whine like a little baby that the big bad mean white girl raised a fist.

Are you saying she showed intent to hit him, just not enough to warrant him grabbing her?
 

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What video are you watching!? watch this one here

(0:05) She clearly gets to the bar first, but you can also clearly see there is another person to her left.

(0:07) Johnson says something to the girl to the left and she slowly begins to move

(0:11) The girl whom he had the altercation with begins moving into the spot vacated by the other girl, when he already had his arm on the bar in an attempt to get this spot.

At what point do you see him muscle thru her? Where is this shove?

(0:13) She turns around and almost immediately raises her fist. Also her left forearm is in his chest, I can't tell if he is grabbing that arm, but her forearm is clearly attempting to push him back.

Please tell me what he did prior to that, that warranted her to react that way?

(0:17) He grabs her arm in reaction to her raising her fist at him.


What happens between 0:06 and 0:14, the time between when she turns around to tell him something and when she turns around again with hands raised? She didn't raise hands immediately. He did enough for her to turn around and say something to him. 8 seconds later, while he continued to do that, she turned around with hands raised. It's not like she immediately jumped ready to fight the second she felt something... And he didn't just have his hand on the bar. He was using the bar to pull his body in. You can even see his muscles flinching a little while he's pulling his body into the bar. And in the process of pulling his body in, he's pushing up against her back. He was pressing up against her back, and even after she told him something (probably to stop), he started using the bar to pull himself in.

I'm not saying the girl should have raised hands. I'm just saying that she wasn't immediately in fight mode. There was an 8-second window between the time she turned around and said something to him and the time she turned around with hands raised. And in that 8 seconds, he continued to "muscle his way in" and even started using his arms to pull himself in. So whatever bothered her in the first place, he made an effort to make it worse.
 

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And he didn't just have his hand on the bar. He was using the bar to pull his body in. You can even see his muscles flinching a little while he's pulling his body into the bar. And in the process of pulling his body in, he's pushing up against her back. He was pressing up against her back, and even after she told him something (probably to stop), he started using the bar to pull himself in.

I'm not saying the girl should have raised hands. I'm just saying that she wasn't immediately in fight mode. There was an 8-second window between the time she turned around and said something to him and the time she turned around with hands raised. And in that 8 seconds, he continued to "muscle his way in" and even started using his arms to pull himself in. So whatever bothered her in the first place, he made an effort to make it worse.

I disagree that he was pushing against her back, she clearly was moving more towards him after the other girl left. And for the record, he should not have responded the way he did, all I have said from the beginning is she should get charged as well. Her raising her fist is a threatening action, and in response to that he grabbed her arm. Once she got her arm free, what reason was there to punch him in the face?
 

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Are you saying she showed intent to hit him, just not enough to warrant him grabbing her?
No I don't see any intent to hit him. She wasn't exactly "putting up her dukes."

Furthermore, there is a legal concept that you are not allowed to use excessive force in the name of self defense. Even if the big bad mean white girl was threatening the top-caliber athlete, you are not legally allowed to use excessive force, even in the name of self defense.

He escalated the physical confrontation every step of the way. He was the aggressor. If I had my way, he would have to spend some time behind bars thinking about why you don't punch women.
 

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No I don't see any intent to hit him.

Then you are seeing only what you want to see. If it were two men roughly the same size, there's no way you would be saying she had no intention of hitting him.

Furthermore, there is a legal concept that you are not allowed to use excessive force in the name of self defense. Even if the big bad mean white girl was threatening the top-caliber athlete, you are not legally allowed to use excessive force, even in the name of self defense.

And legally 1 punch to the face by a top caliber athlete that did not cause her to fall is not excessive force.

If I had my way, he would have to spend some time behind bars thinking about why you don't punch women.

And if I had my way, they would both spend some time behind bars thinking about why you don't punch people.
 

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What video are you watching!? watch this one here

(0:05) She clearly gets to the bar first, but you can also clearly see there is another person to her left.

(0:07) Johnson says something to the girl to the left and she slowly begins to move

(0:11) The girl whom he had the altercation with begins moving into the spot vacated by the other girl, when he already had his arm on the bar in an attempt to get this spot.

At what point do you see him muscle thru her? Where is this shove?

(0:13) She turns around and almost immediately raises her fist. Also her left forearm is in his chest, I can't tell if he is grabbing that arm, but her forearm is clearly attempting to push him back.

Please tell me what he did prior to that, that warranted her to react that way?

(0:17) He grabs her arm in reaction to her raising her fist at him.


Upon further review. That was the wimpiest girlie at punch/swing. He was in no danger.
 

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No.

Again. Both wrong.

As a man, there is a way to diffuse that situation.

Then we agree. To me, you should never hit a man, woman or child that you are clearly stronger than unless you are in serious danger. So his retaliation was wrong, even if it was the guy to her right instead

Grab both arms.

Well several people in this thread would still say you were in the wrong
 

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Then we agree. To me, you should never hit a man, woman or child that you are clearly stronger than unless you are in serious danger. So his retaliation was wrong, even if it was the guy to her right instead



Well several people in this thread would still say you were in the wrong

I would rather subdue, then tell the girl to the right or left. Get her out of here, away from me.

But hey, in the moment stuff happens. Friggin two idiots are headliners now for this crap.
 
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