Video released of FSU's De'Andre Johnson allegedly punching woman

[JoeyBoy718]

I think we're all overlooking the big issue here... She took that punch and didn't budge. She was a little in shock because she wasn't expecting to get clocked by the savior of the football team, but she wasn't fazed by the punch. He threw a full-force punch to the unguarded chin of a female and she didn't even move. And FSU fans wanted to go to battle with this guy?

 

[Longboysfan]

There's no way that counts as assault when there is video of her balling her fist up at him, if it was alleged, I can see it being disregarded, but she clearly was threatening him.

Reminder - the person that posted that reply...

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Reminder - the person that posted that reply...

I meant the grabbing of her, not the punch itself

 

[coogrfan]

have you ever been to a bar? because that is literally something that happens all the time when you are at the bar. people at the bar dont move so they can keep their spot and everyone else "muscles in" to order drinks.

Quite a few, thanks. And if someone shoved me like Johnson shoved her I would do more than raise a fist.

there was no reason for her to react the way she did. he didn't shove her or move her. and when she raised her fist, she escalated it to a level that he did not. he was definately within his rights to grab her fist, instead of standing there waiting to get punched.

he didn't cross the line until he punched her, she wasn't enough of a threat given to retaliate. and this my opinion on the morality of what he did. legally there's no way he'll be found guilty

What video are you watching?

(1:45) She beats him to the spot, turns around and says something to Johnson. Imo her manner didn't appear to be unfriendly at that point (although I will admit it's hard to be sure).

(1:55) Johnson continues his attempt to muscle on thru. In the process he shoves her into the edge of the bar. She turns around, objects and raises a fist. He responds by grabbing her wrist (fairly roughly, I might add).

(2:02) She responds by launching an ineffectual left, he counters with a vicious right to her jaw.

Is my timeline wrong? If not, there is no way any reasonable person can legitimately claim that she started this.

 

[Rogah]

That is exactly what she did. Never said she was an expert fighter, either way her intent to hit him was clear

Bull. There was no way she is showing any intent to hit him that justified a professional-caliber athlete to grab her arm and refuse to let go.

The facts are he initiated the physical jostling then he initiated the assault. He doesn't get to cry and whine like a little baby that the big bad mean white girl raised a fist.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

And the beat goes on..........

 

[Longboysfan]

I meant the grabbing of her, not the punch itself

Rogah - where when shown overwhelming guilt - deny...Deny... DENY....

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Quite a few, thanks. And if someone shoved me like Johnson shoved her I would do more than raise a fist.



What video are you watching?

(1:45) She beats him to the spot, turns around and says something to Johnson. Imo her manner didn't appear to be unfriendly at that point (although I will admit it's hard to be sure).

(1:55) Johnson continues his attempt to muscle on thru. In the process he shoves her into the edge of the bar. She turns around, objects and raises a fist. He responds by grabbing her wrist (fairly roughly, I might add).

(2:02) She responds by launching an ineffectual left, he counters with a vicious right to her jaw.

Is my timeline wrong? If not, there is no way any reasonable person can legitimately claim that she started this.

That's how I saw it too. I was on Johnson's side before I saw the video just based on what I read (she started it and was being a racist). But after watching the video, I changed my tune.

She was in the spot first and was facing the bar waiting to order. He awkwardly continuously tried to muscle his way into the spot. He continued to push on her back for no reason as he tried to muscle his way into the bar. She let it go the first few times and turned around to say something (probably "what the heck, dude?!") after a few seconds. He continued to show no regard and kept trying to muscle his way in. She then turned around with hands raised. He grabbed her arm with force and held her. She was trying to get out of his grip, using her knee to try to break his grip. At this point, she has a look of shock on her face and starts yelling stuff at him (possibly racial slurs, but by the look on her face it was more like "what the heck! let go of me!"). She throws a weak punch with her left. He immediately counters with a full-force right. He turns around and leaves the second he throws the punch. She eats the punch like a champ and doesn't budge. She's probably in shock at this point because Captain QB just punched her.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think both showed poor judgment. For him it is very costly and for her it seems no consequences for her part.

 

[Rogah]

Rogah - where when shown overwhelming guilt - deny...Deny... DENY....

Sorry, I only speak English.

 

[Rogah]

I think both showed poor judgment. For him it is very costly and for her it seems no consequences for her part.

You mean other than, you know, being the victim of assault and being punched in the face by a top-caliber athlete? Yeah, I suppose there were no consequences beyond that.

 

[Doomsday101]

You mean other than, you know, being the victim of assault and being punched in the face by a top-caliber athlete? Yeah, I suppose there were no consequences beyond that.

I mean throwing a punch and a knee at him. Girl acted like a man so don't give me the poor victim BS. The guy is wrong but this notion that women can do as they please and get away with it is BS. You want equal rights and act like a man then don't be shocked when something like this happens. She instigated it based on what I saw, you see it different fine most seem to feel she created the problem

 

[Rogah]

I mean throwing a punch and a knee at him.

What kind of consequences should there be for that? He grabbed her arm and clearly wasn't letting go.

All physical contact was initiated and escalated by him.

The guy is wrong but this notion that women can do as they please and get away with it is BS.

I don't believe women should be able to do "as they please" and get away with it. But when a man grabs a woman's arm forcefully and refuses to let go, she has a right to try to get him off of her.

 

[Doomsday101]

What kind of consequences should there be for that? He grabbed her arm and clearly wasn't letting go.

All physical contact was initiated and escalated by him.


I don't believe women should be able to do "as they please" and get away with it. But when a man grabs a woman's arm forcefully and refuses to let go, she has a right to try to get him off of her.

again not what I saw, she made a fist and threw a punch and she threw a knee towards the groin. I have watched it several times and I just do not see it as you do. Does not mean I think he was right in what he did. he should have walked away from it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

What kind of consequences should there be for that? He grabbed her arm and clearly wasn't letting go.

All physical contact was initiated and escalated by him.


I don't believe women should be able to do "as they please" and get away with it. But when a man grabs a woman's arm forcefully and refuses to let go, she has a right to try to get him off of her.

So in a situation like that, are you saying that a course of action where a women threatens to get into a physical altercation with an Athlete is the wise course of action? I'm going to guess the answer to that is no but read what you just wrote. "She has a right to try to get him off of her." That's the problem to me. No, that is not what we should be educating our young people on. It's inherently dangerous, regardless of how true the statement might be, to adopt this line of thought. To me, this is the real concern here. Does it matter who is in the right or who is in the wrong in that instance? The reality is that the young lady is going to lose in any physical altercation. We have to get past this business of who is right and who is wrong here. That matters but not in that moment. Teach our young people to understand the dangers of this and lets teach these young ladies that the right move is to avoid that situation at all costs and please, don't provocate this kind of thing by trying to encourage a physical exchange. That's just not smart and it's not what we should be teaching our young women. I just don't get it.

 

[Szczepanik]

I think we're all overlooking the big issue here... She took that punch and didn't budge. She was a little in shock because she wasn't expecting to get clocked by the savior of the football team, but she wasn't fazed by the punch. He threw a full-force punch to the unguarded chin of a female and she didn't even move. And FSU fans wanted to go to battle with this guy?

That girl has quite a chin. I noticed that as well.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

again not what I saw, she made a fist and threw a punch and she threw a knee towards the groin. I have watched it several times and I just do not see it as you do. Does not mean I think he was right in what he did. he should have walked away from it.

Just curious. I wonder off there was more to it leading up to her initial actions?

Did he grab her butt?
Did he bang into and say something stupid like, sorry ho?
Did he say something sexual?

I don't see a woman just loafing up with punches and kicks to the groin for no reason at all?

 

[Doomsday101]

Just curious. I wonder off there was more to it leading up to her initial actions?

Did he grab her butt?
Did he bang into and say something stupid like, sorry ho?
Did he say something sexual?

I don't see a woman just loafing up with punches and kicks to the groin for no reason at all?

I think both had been drinking and according to witness she made some racial comments to him. Again not trying to justify his actions but she is not some innocent victim in this from what I have seen and read thus far.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I think both had been drinking and according to witness she made some racial comments to him. Again not trying to justify his actions but she is not some innocent victim in this from what I have seen and read thus far.

Both idiots. Both wrong... but she just went racial for no reason?

 

[gmoney112]

Just curious. I wonder off there was more to it leading up to her initial actions?

Did he grab her butt?
Did he bang into and say something stupid like, sorry ho?
Did he say something sexual?

I don't see a woman just loafing up with punches and kicks to the groin for no reason at all?

She's not a "woman", she's a college kid getting drunk at a bar. You're expecting too much. Coming from a school about as big as FSU, let me tell you first hand. There are some plenty of girls that act completely insane when they drink. Guys too definitely, but girls are not immune to it is what I'm saying. You wouldn't believe some of the things that you see at these dive bars with a bunch of 19-25 year olds. (plenty of underage using fakes that actually scan, impossible to tell)

I also understand why people are saying he should have kept a cool head, but why didn't SHE keep a cool head? She's likely over 18, she's an adult. She needs to act like one as well. A guy nudged you at a bar, deal with it. And to the guy that said he'd "do more than raise a fist" if someone nudged him, right bro. Good morals. You're either a) going to jail and rocking that criminal record like a G, or b) getting your butt rocked by half the football team and having people trip over you for the next 30 minutes.

She's definitely not innocent, and while she took the worst of it, she's mostly at fault as well. She's also probably older than him, she should know better than to swing at a complete stranger. To be completely honest, that punch to the face might have saved her life later. People need to be teaching their kids not to ever initiate violence under any circumstance unless your life is threatened, otherwise it leads to stupid things like this or even worse. If she did that in a street to a complete stranger she might have suffered far, far worse.

In conclusion, they're both really dumb kids who have a lot of growing up to do. Give them both 100 hours of community service and call it a day.