Vince Young Considered Retiring Last Year...

[UVAwahoos]

This child has an opinion too, pookie bear.

Hahaha.

Listen, asking your mom to name some QBs and then typing them out on this site doesn't mean that they were better than Young. The guy got his team into two consecutive BCS bowls and he played a huge roll in winning both of them. Not to mention beating that particular USC team has to go down as one of the greatest upsets ever. I'm not even a Texas fan. My best friend goes there, and I hate him and the school. Young was solid though...no doubt about it.

 

[The30YardSlant]

1. Excuse me officer I misstook this spelling bee for a football forum
2. Never said you went to Texas. Good at grammar, bad at reading comprehension, huh?
3.Plunkett, Baugh, Frazier. I believe that's three, which is what you asked for right?

It's all a matter of opinion anyway. You got yours I got mine.Vince Young has a place at the top, just not best ever.
This twelve year old has been watching football since 1964.

I said name me 3 who are clearly BETTER. All of those guys are up there, but only Frazier IMO was clearly "better" and only because no player ever executed an offense better than he did. He also played his best in big games.

 

[dozin_theknick]

Nothing to see here folks. Just some bitter Oklahoma/USC fans having trouble coping. Move right along...

Nothing to see here folks. Just some bitter Longhorn fan having trouble coping. Move right along...

 

[UVAwahoos]

Nothing to see here folks. Just some bitter Longhorn fan having trouble coping. Move right along...

That's creative and cute. You must've got voted prom queen.

Actually, I'm not a Longhorn fan at all. I am a fan of football and seeing what Young did two seasons in a row and comparing it to what other great QBs have done throughout an entire season and in big games made it pretty simple to rank Young near the top. He has turned the Titans around too...despite his QB ranking. The team has made the playoffs both of the years that he has been there and he has a respectable starting record in that division and conference.

 

[Nav22]

Wow! You must think a LOT of Rex Grossman, the man who took the Bears to the Super Bowl!

 

[UVAwahoos]

Wow! You must think a LOT of Rex Grossman, the man who took the Bears to the Super Bowl!

Haha there are some very passionate anti-Vince arguments here. I will say that Grossman's Bears were quite talented at some key positions just like Dilfer's Ravens. The Titans from the last two years...not so much. Yeah Haynesworth was solid this year but the Titans still have needed something from their offense to bail them out. That Bears team just needed their offense to not turn it over. I think there's a big difference between those teams but it's just my opinion I guess.

 

[ndanger]

I said name me 3 who are clearly BETTER. All of those guys are up there, but only Frazier IMO was clearly "better" and only because no player ever executed an offense better than he did. He also played his best in big games.

I stand corrected. I clearly did not understand that your opinion is the only one that counts. Vince Young is clearly the best ever quarterback in the history of college football. He will ultimately be forever enshrined and anyone who suggests otherwise is twelve years old and relies solely on their mother's opinion. Forgive me for making eye contact, me lord. Feel free to extricate an eyeball from my lowly brow.

 

[Nav22]

I will say that Grossman's Bears were quite talented at some key positions just like Dilfer's Ravens. The Titans from the last two years...not so much.

Hence the Bears getting to the Super Bowl and the Ravens winning it. The Titans are sneaking into the playoffs and losing in the 1st round.

Yeah Haynesworth was solid this year but the Titans still have needed something from their offense to bail them out.

And here's what they got from their QB.

A 71.1 QB rating. 12 total TDs, 20 turnovers.

The QB position has been a weakness for the Titans, not a strength. They're winning in spite of Vince, not because of him.

 

[Shady12]

Last year, that was partly true, even taking into account a lack of any talent at the skill positions and him not being able to use his legs due to injury. It's unreasonable to say that Vince wasn't a big reason they were winning games in 06 if you payed a lot of attention to their season. It's not like the guy has sucked, relatively speaking. He's overall been pretty below average for an NFL qb, but about what you'd expect from a qb after two years who was thrown into the starting lineup as a rookie. Except for the fact that he has made some incredible plays and overall performances along the way. I'd bet that if you put up the stat lines of most current great NFL qb's (Aikman was already used as an example) for their first two years, VY's would be about par for the course, and certainly better than some.

 

[Nav22]

I've seen nothing from Vince to suggest that he'll be an above average NFL passer.

Most QBs struggle in their first couple years, yes. But the ones who end up being great usually show flashes of brilliance as a passer during this stretch.

Has Mr. 6 On The Wonderlic shown ANYTHING in the NFL to convince you that he'll be able to carry a team with his arm?

That's all I'm saying. I don't see a dramatic improvement from the guy as a passer. He's a talented athlete, but I don't think he has what it takes to make it as an upper-echelon NFL QB.

And before you bring up his legs as a means to cross-cancel his struggles as a passer, remind me how many run-first QBs have won the Super Bowl.

 

[UVAwahoos]

Hence the Bears getting to the Super Bowl and the Ravens winning it. The Titans are sneaking into the playoffs and losing in the 1st round.And here's what they got from their QB.

A 71.1 QB rating. 12 total TDs, 20 turnovers.

The QB position has been a weakness for the Titans, not a strength. They're winning in spite of Vince, not because of him.

Like I said, his averages have not been great but he has stepped up in close games and gotten his team down the field and within scoring position. They did not have that before he got there, and that's why they were drafting 3rd in the draft for him. He turned them into a playoff team in a talented conference. If they are winning "in spite" of Vince now, they would've been doing before he got there too. Truth is, they were the 3rd worst team in the NFL before he got there.

 

[Shady12]

He's most definitely shown flashes passing the ball, in important situations and when they go to the no huddle. But he only has to be an average passer, yeah, cuz of his legs. And no, he wasn't even a run first guy in college. He's a pocket passer who is reluctant to run except in the biggest of stages. Even in college he'd rarely take off and run unless it was one of the biggest games. Most of his rush yards at UT came off designed runs.

But because he's a good runner, and a guy who will be a clutch player when it matters(and yes he's shown major flashes of that in the NFL already), he doesn't have to be an elite passer to be successful. Heck he already upped his completion % from something like 51% to 62% from year 1 to 2..big jump. But still has a long way to go in the passing dept.

 

[Da Hammer]

Ah HeavyHitta criticizing Vince and then defending him that is either a miracle or i had way too much to drink last night which maybe its that cause i just woke up 2 hours ago lol. ah very nice HH!

as far as VY struggles, i have repeated myself so many times that i wont go into a long discussion for the millionth time about him. but i will say yes he has a lot to learn but so does any young QB in the NFL. he has made a lot of strides and will continue especially with the titans getting OC Heimendinger back to the caching staff the guy who helped make McNair into what he became all those years back with the titans. also have people here even looked at the so called "weapons" at WR that titans have? People here including sometimes me complain about the lack of depth we have but the weapons would like paradise to the titans. they have absolutely no one that can consistently get open and when they do they drop the damn ball. Vince young needs to grow as a QB but the front office has to do a much better job of getting him real receivers. this is a big year for Vince and i think you will see a much improved QB and offense for the titans with the additions of Crumpler and the rookie playmaker Johnson.

 

[DFWJC]

Poor guy. It's not easy being a horrendous NFL QB.

Awfully hard to say that after less than two season at a positon that sometimes takes 4-5 just for things to click fully.

 

[koolaid]

Aikman probably should have retired after two seasons too...

26 games
4328 yards (166 YPG)
55.1% completion
20 TDs
36 INTs
6.25 YPA

He should have quit before things got worse. Give Young a break, QB is a tough position to learn, even more so when you didn't play in a pro style offense in college. The guy doesn't really have anyone to throw to. Give him some more time.

solid post

 

[DanTanna]

Good call buttinsky.

Now that's what I'm talking about!

Eric Crouch was better than VY/6.

 

[Nav22]

No intelligence, no mental toughness, and subpar passing ability.

Yeah, Vince has a real bright future as a starting QB.

In a few years, you guys will feel as silly for backing Vince as the David Carr and Joey Harrington backers felt.

The Aikman example is a tired one. In today's NFL, QBs are expected to show something a lot sooner than they did in Aikman's day.

Let's see how well that line of thinking works in today's NFL.

Vince was drafted in '06. Here are the QBs drafted in the 1st round from '98 until '05...

Peyton Manning
Ryan Leaf
Tim Couch
Donovan McNabb
Akili Smith
Daunte Culpepper
Cade McNown
Chad Pennington
Michael Vick
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey
Carson Palmer
Byron Leftwich
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman
Eli Manning
Philip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
Alex Smith
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell


That's 22 QBs.

Of those 22, I'd say it's safe to say that Leaf, Couch, Akili Smith, McNown, Carr, Harrington, Ramsey, Boller, and Grossman are complete busts.

That's 9 of the 22. Alex Smith looks like he's headed towards bust level, and the jury is still out on guys like Jason Campbell, Philip Rivers, and Aaron Rodgers. Byron Leftwich showed some good things, but ultimately not enough to keep his team from giving up on him. His future as a starting QB is very murky. Vick was a complete anomaly and we won't see another QB like him for awhile.

That leaves 7 QBs left from the 22. P. Manning, McNabb, Culpepper, Pennington, Palmer, E. Manning, and Roethlisberger.

These are the 7 successful passing QBs drafted in the 1st round since '98.


Name ONE proven non-bust QB who has shown as little as Vince Young has shown in their first 2 years under center, as a passer.

I'll save you the trouble: there are none. Vince is headed towards bust status, although it is surely too early to brand him with that title. Give it another year or two.

The Titans have already gone through a few O-Coordinators to turn Vince into a real QB and might go through another one or two.. There will be lots of media spinning, and eagerness to throw the blame on anybody but their huge investment and #3 pick in the '06 draft.

But the common denominator and bottom line will be that the QB simply is not a good passer, and their team has a low ceiling because of it. Unfortunately for the Titans, they'll have to go through another couple years of offensive mediocrity before they figure it out.

 

[DanTanna]

Coach Killa II?

:laugh2:

 

[Shady12]

Pretty sure Vince has had ONE offensive coordinator with the Titans. This season will mark the second, Chow sucked.

He's not a good passer by NFL standards right now. But they all look shaky through two years in the league. The guy has shown flashes of being a good passer in the league. He was darn good in college as a passer. His junior year he led the nation in passing efficiency AND yards per attempt most of the season. Ended up something like third in efficiency and first in yards per attempt. He had not much chance the first couple NFL years with crap to throw to and the scheme being run. Now we'll get a chance to see if he can be any good consistently. Gonna have to show it with decent receivers or without because it doesn't look like that's going to change much, although Crumpler will at least help.

 

[UVAwahoos]

No intelligence, no mental toughness, and subpar passing ability.

Yeah, Vince has a real bright future as a starting QB.

Let's see how well that line of thinking works in today's NFL.

Name ONE proven non-bust QB who has shown as little as Vince Young has shown in their first 2 years under center, as a passer.

I'll save you the trouble: there are none. Vince is headed towards bust status, although it is surely too early to brand him with that title. Give it another year or two.

The Titans have already gone through a few O-Coordinators to turn Vince into a real QB and might go through another one or two.. There will be lots of media spinning, and eagerness to throw the blame on anybody but their huge investment and #3 pick in the '06 draft.

But the common denominator and bottom line will be that the QB simply is not a good passer, and their team has a low ceiling because of it. Unfortunately for the Titans, they'll have to go through another couple years of offensive mediocrity before they figure it out.

Like I said, they were the 3rd worst team in the league until he got there and carried them into the playoffs in his first year. He repeated that feat again last year coming out of a tough division and even tougher conference. They definitely did not accomplish these things "in spite" of him, as they struggled in '06 and were headed nowhere before he took over the starting role. Plus, as Shady has said a couple times now, it's kind of tough to be a good passer when your receivers are pathetic. Even you can't argue against the fact that his receivers are mediocre at best. Crayton would be a superstar #1 on that depth chart (not good). Grossman had no excuses because he had talent at key offensive positions. Guys like Carr, Couch, Leif...they never made it to the playoffs as starters. Young gets it done in the end. Even when he's playing miserably, he has rallied the team with a few brilliant comeback drives. You don't get that from a "bust" QB.

Plus, the guy is popular and marketable. He sells jerseys and puts people in the stands. Most of those guys u mentioned did not have the same ability to attract viewers. The NFL is a business as much as it's a sports organization. Young will be around for awhile.