Vince Young Considered Retiring Last Year...

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Tim Couch got the Browns to the playoffs in '02.

Do you give Quincy Carter the same amount of credit you give Vince for leading the Cowboys to the playoffs in '03? Because they were the 5th worst team just the year before.

The Titans snuck in last year behind the NFL's 5th ranked D. Albert Haynesworth missed 3 games, and the Titans went 0-3 in that stretch.

I'm sorry, but a QB who turns the ball over 20 times and produces just 12 TDs is hurting his team more than helping it. Vince Young was just awful last year.

You say Crayton would be a star #1 WR on that team. I say Roydell Williams might be a star #1 WR if he had a real QB throwing to him.

Young gets it done in the end. Even when he's playing miserably, he has rallied the team with a few brilliant comeback drives. You don't get that from a "bust" QB.

A wildcard loss is "getting it done"? Am I in the Twilight Zone?

If the Titans had a good passer, they'd be Super Bowl contendors.

Quincy Carter rallied the Cowboys to some impressive comeback wins and had his share of clutch moments, too. I guess he wasn't a "bust", either.

 

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Tim Couch got the Browns to the playoffs in '02.

Do you give Quincy Carter the same amount of credit you give Vince for leading the Cowboys to the playoffs in '03? Because they were the 5th worst team just the year before.

The Titans snuck in last year behind the NFL's 5th ranked D. Albert Haynesworth missed 3 games, and the Titans went 0-3 in that stretch.

I'm sorry, but a QB who turns the ball over 20 times and produces just 12 TDs is hurting his team more than helping it. Vince Young was just awful last year.

You say Crayton would be a star #1 WR on that team. I say Roydell Williams might be a star #1 WR if he had a real QB throwing to him.A wildcard loss is "getting it done"? Am I in the Twilight Zone?

If the Titans had a good passer, they'd be Super Bowl contendors.

Quincy Carter rallied the Cowboys to some impressive comeback wins and had his share of clutch moments, too. I guess he wasn't a "bust", either.

Completely different team and situation. How many times did Carter get us in the playoffs compared to the number of seasons he was in the league? Plus, Carter certainly played well the season he did get us to the playoffs. He wasn't Joe Montana, but he kept the QB position stable at the very least. The Titans were going nowhere and Fisher had no intention of playing Young so early in his rookie season but he had no other choice. Quincy was definitely not as effective in his rookie season. I'm not sure if Couch got them there in his first season either and I don't feel like looking cause I doubt he did. I think he was drafted in '99 so that's 3 seasons before playoffs. Young got them there twice in two seasons in a tough conference.

You keep talking about how the defense carried them last season but that definitely was not the case in '06. Yes, the defense was great last year, but they needed the offense at times and Young was able to rally. A great D can't solely get it done. The Ravens (who have had a great D for awhile) were in a lot of games last season but ended up with a pathetic record because they couldn't capitalize and move the ball down field when the D put them in good field position.

You keep saying he turned it over 20 times, and that would be a strong argument when complaining about a QB for a miserable team like the Commanders, but Young was able to get his team in the playoffs despite the turnovers. Like I keep saying, he made mistakes and sure I will admit that the defense kept them in games, but in the end there were games that called for the offense to get the ball down field and Young was able to do it. There is only so much a defense can do.

 

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You say Crayton would be a star #1 WR on that team. I say Roydell Williams might be a star #1 WR if he had a real QB throwing to him.A wildcard loss is "getting it done"? Am I in the Twilight Zone?

And Roydell Williams? Seriously?

Even with the understanding that your entire argument has been delusional, implying that Roydell Williams has some hidden potential a "real QB" could unearth just proves that you either do not live in an area where Tennessee games are televised, you do not have Directv, you do not understand the purpose of a wide receiver, or you actually do not watch football and you think you are on a professional bull-riding fan forum right now.

Roydell Williams? Wow.

 

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Like I said, they were the 3rd worst team in the league until he got there and carried them into the playoffs in his first year.

Actually, bull-riding fan, the Titans did NOT make the playoffs in 2006.

And Roydell Williams? Seriously?

Hahahaha... this coming from the guy who said Patrick Crayton, yes our Patrick Crayton, would be a star #1 WR on the Tennessee Titans. Hilarious.

Neither Roydell Williams or Justin Gage are far behind Crayton, if they are behind at all.

Remind me which WRs Tom Brady thrived with in his 2nd season. Remind me which WRs Donovan McNabb thrived with in the early part of his career.

It's an invalid excuse that doesn't justify inaccuracy and piss-poor decision-making, but by all means, keep using it to defend Vince.

I hope the Titans are listening... I'm looking forward to a long, hilariously incompetent career. Joey Harrington's run in Detroit was far too short, in my opinion.

You keep saying he turned it over 20 times, and that would be a strong argument when complaining about a QB for a miserable team like the Commanders

The Titans won ONE more game than the "miserable" Commanders, bull-riding fan.

http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=div&season=2007-REG&split=Overall

Study that before you expose yourself again.

but Young was able to get his team in the playoffs despite the turnovers.

Making the playoffs alone isn't nearly enough to prove your worth as a QB. Twelve teams get in every year, and each year there are a few who do it despite mediocrity at the QB position.

The Titans were one of those teams in 2007, and look what happened in their playoff game... the D holds the Chargers to just 17 points, but Vince Scrub couldn't generate more than a measly 6 for his offense.

Give them a threat at QB, and they are a Super Bowl contendor. Leave them with a scrub, and they're a one-and-done wildcard team at best.

And that's WITH a stellar defense and solid run game.

 

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And Roydell Williams? Seriously?

Even with the understanding that your entire argument has been delusional, implying that Roydell Williams has some hidden potential a "real QB" could unearth just proves that you either do not live in an area where Tennessee games are televised, you do not have Directv, you do not understand the purpose of a wide receiver, or you actually do not watch football and you think you are on a professional bull-riding fan forum right now.

Roydell Williams? Wow.

Crayton is definitely better than Roydell Williams. You go to Titans boards and many of them think Williams might not even make the team. He just isn't very good. He put up some #'s last year, but it was by default..there was nobody else. Justin Gage is their #1 receiver. He was something like 4th or 5th on the depth chart for the Bears. Crayton WOULD be the Titans #1 receiver. You clearly don't realize how badly that receiving corps SUCKS.

And the Titans have a good defense, but regardless of what QB is on that team they have no offense. Clearly the worst receivers in the league, very below average running backs (I'm not as high on Chris Johnson as some others but maybe he can give a spark). The line isn't too bad though.

That team overachieved in a huge way the last two seasons. VY is a big reason why. They were a 6-10 type team in terms of overall talent the last couple seasons. His leadership and spark he provided, along with his clutch play ability, is what took them to a winning record in 06. 07 it wasn't so much his on the field play but his winning attitude carrying over that helped out. Before he showed up they DIDN'T have a winning attitude in the locker room, thus they had no way of playing above their level. These are things players have talked about so it's not coming out of thin air.

They'd be a Super Bowl contender with a good OFFENSE, not just a good QB.

 

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Actually, bull-riding fan, the Titans did NOT make the playoffs in 2006.Hahahaha... this coming from the guy who said Patrick Crayton, yes our Patrick Crayton, would be a star #1 WR on the Tennessee Titans. Hilarious.

Neither Roydell Williams or Justin Gage are far behind Crayton, if they are behind at all.

Remind me which WRs Tom Brady thrived with in his 2nd season. Remind me which WRs Donovan McNabb thrived with in the early part of his career.

It's an invalid excuse that doesn't justify inaccuracy and piss-poor decision-making, but by all means, keep using it to defend Vince.

I hope the Titans are listening... I'm looking forward to a long, hilariously incompetent career. Joey Harrington's run in Detroit was far too short, in my opinion.The Titans won ONE more game than the "miserable" Commanders, bull-riding fan.

http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=div&season=2007-REG&split=Overall

Study that before you expose yourself again.Making the playoffs alone isn't nearly enough to prove your worth as a QB. Twelve teams get in every year, and each year there are a few who do it despite mediocrity at the QB position.

The Titans were one of those teams in 2007, and look what happened in their playoff game... the D holds the Chargers to just 17 points, but Vince Scrub couldn't generate more than a measly 6 for his offense.

Give them a threat at QB, and they are a Super Bowl contendor. Leave them with a scrub, and they're a one-and-done wildcard team at best.

And that's WITH a stellar defense and solid run game.

I just like to the take shots at the Commanders. There are far worse teams that I could have used as an example had I realized you would take it that seriously.

Anyway, you vacillated on your Roydell Williams argument a bit there. You're either with him (and thus incompetent) or you are not. Figure it out.

Finally, McNabb was never surrounded by receivers and they had to go out and get TO in order to get over the hump. They made it with him injured, but the fact that they paid big money for him meant that they needed him. Same for Brady. They went out and got Moss and Welker to get them over Indy. Receivers are pretty important, even for the best QBs.

 

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Receivers are pretty important, even for the best QBs.

Enough spin, please.

I never said WRs held no importance. But Brady and McNabb WERE great QBs even with mediocre WR talent, were they not? And that was in the early part of their careers.

Brady won a Super Bowl with mediocre WRs, in his 2nd season, with the 6th best passer rating in the NFL. So don't tell me great WRs are a must for a QB to pass well.

Blame whomever you want for Vince's putrid passing. It won't make him any better.

Vince finished 2007 with the 26th best passer rating, just behind the likes of Brian Griese and Kyle Boller, and just ahead of the likes of Cleo Lemon and Tarvaris Jackson.

As of today, that's where Vince Young is as a passer.

And like I said, I hope the Titans keep him around for a long, long time. The NFL needs more thin-skinned crybaby comic relief.

 

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You realize Brady being that good in year two is the exception and not the rule. We don't know if Young will end up cutting it as a passer but you can't write him off yet, just like you can't write off any others after 2 seasons unless they are just obviously hapless. Which he hasn't been, he's shown flashes at least.

 

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Enough spin, please.

I never said WRs held no importance. But Brady and McNabb WERE great QBs even with mediocre WR talent, were they not? And that was in the early part of their careers.

Brady won a Super Bowl with mediocre WRs, in his 2nd season, with the 6th best passer rating in the NFL. So don't tell me great WRs are a must for a QB to pass well.

You implied receivers were not very important. There is no doubt that Brady's receivers in his 2nd season were more talented than Young's receivers from the last two seasons. Plus, that Pats team (along with McNabb's teams) have always had good to solid running games. The Titans have neither.

Young has accomplished a lot with little surrounding talent. Like I keep saying, you cannot just write off playoff appearances in that division and conference. Young isn't the best QB in the league by any means, but that team has improved each of the seasons he has played, so they have much more to build off of than teams with Leif and other true busts who stayed stagnant or got worse each season.

You keep ignoring it because you have no comeback, but Young came in as a starter for a team going nowhere his rookie season and went 8-5 as a starter including 6 straight wins. He followed that up with a playoff season. That can't all be credited to the defense.

 

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You realize Brady being that good in year two is the exception and not the rule. We don't know if Young will end up cutting it as a passer but you can't write him off yet, just like you can't write off any others after 2 seasons unless they are just obviously hapless. Which he hasn't been, he's shown flashes at least.

Exactly. He is falling back for support on a guy mentioned as one of the greatest in NFL HISTORY to support a staggering argument. Brady's accomplishments are quite unique. There is no doubt about that.

Young had something like 4 comeback wins in a row his ROOKIE SEASON. He has done a lot more good for Tennessee than harm.

 

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Vince Young said that he considered quitting football during training camp last summer because of the pressures.
"I really thought long and hard about it," Young told NFL.com. "There was so much going on with my family. It was crazy being an NFL quarterback. It wasn't fun anymore. All of the fun was out of it ... My teammates helped lift me out of it." Keith Bulluck confirms the prospect was real at the time, but we wouldn't take it too seriously. Young left Texas a year early and getting overwhelmed was a natural sign of his immaturity.
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And this was BEFORE his horrendous 2007 season.

Nothing in this article suggest that the guy is mentally weak. You all have to realize these guys are just kids (Yes, it is odd for a guy in his 20s to be calling others in their 20s kids) in the since that they still have alot to learn and have not been around long.

It also should be noted that he said "going on with my family", which if you have never had a family member sick, in trouble or something close to that, it can be very overwhelming and that can be multiplied by 100 when your job is to be a Quarterback of an NFL franchise.

Also, when a huge Aggie fan is in here bragging and stating that a Texas Longhorn was good, imo you can bet your bottom dollar the guy was good.

 

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Aikman probably should have retired after two seasons too...

26 games
4328 yards (166 YPG)
55.1% completion
20 TDs
36 INTs
6.25 YPA

He should have quit before things got worse. Give Young a break, QB is a tough position to learn, even more so when you didn't play in a pro style offense in college. The guy doesn't really have anyone to throw to. Give him some more time.

Awesome job on the jumping to conclusions comparision here...but in the long run I don't think Young is ever really going to get a great deal better. He's going to wind up a lot like Mike Vick (Hopefully minus the dog treatment) in that he'll always give his team a shot to win, cause of his athletic ability, but he's not likely ever going to be a good QB.