Wade in a presser today says I dont know why we start out slow!

Alexander

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theebs;3011380 said:
Its been this way for awhile.
That it has. Over three different head coaches, several staffs, dozens of players and different schemes.

From the minute children start playing Pop Warner, what is always stressed? Conditioning and being able to finish when you are tired. When players are tired, they makes mistakes and cut corners which leads to penalties. Perhaps that is a key.

It has to be something since there isn't anything else that is common to all incarnations of the Cowboys defense since we were winning playoff games and Super Bowls. Just a thought.

Starting out slow isn't really the problem. Finishing seems to be. We even used that as a huddle breaker recently. Too bad it is still a problem.
 

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Joe Rod;3011228 said:
Pitts"burge" - Superbowl Champs
New England - Three time Superbowl winning Coach
Baltimore - First year coach took his team to the AFC Championship game last year

Dallas - Collapse at the end of last year, sloppy play and Head Coach has never won a playoff game in all of his years of coaching.

Sorry bro, just doesn't fit.

So you're saying then...is great superbowl winning coaches sometimes go 3-2?? So, then 3-2 isn't that bad then right??

3-2 is 3-2, no matter what your pedigree is.
 

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Everlastingxxx;3011100 said:
Just Fire Wade and give the keys to Garrett. Let Campo take over the D.

The man with a million excuses needs to go.


While I would love to see Wade go here's the scenario.

1. Were not going to the playoffs
2. We will probably be a bit above .500 AGAIN which will cost us a
good draft pick.
3. If we fire wade our record might improve giving us again a worst
draft pick.

might as well keep Wade for now and ride it out. But, like in one of my other threads...head coaches coming into 2010 will be in demand and there are many veteran coaches waiting to get scooped up. Although young coaches seem to be doing great as of late they are hit or miss we'll see.
 

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Wade addressed the last-minute scores in his PC today. The reporters asked something about playing a prevent-type defense at the end of the game, and he said no, they were playing the exact same coverages and were even getting some of the exact same routes that they had played very well the entire game up to that point. So the lapses at the end are just mental.

Here's a theory I kept having yesterday. I wonder if the entire atmosphere around this team is so bad, and these guys are told they suck so often, that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Even Laufenberg said in the pregame yesterday that this was the worst week for the DFW media he'd ever seen. The negativity for a 2-2 team (and now a 3-2 team) is overwhelming, and these guys can't escape it if they turn on a TV or radio for even a minute. Maybe it's Jimmy's beloved Pygmalion principle working, only in a negative way.

The only way to get around it is to make a few plays and stops so these guys start to believe in themselves and gain some confidence. (Playing the fresher backup OLBs in spots would help.)
 

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Chocolate Lab;3011510 said:
Wade addressed the last-minute scores in his PC today. The reporters asked something about playing a prevent-type defense at the end of the game, and he said no, they were playing the exact same coverages and were even getting some of the exact same routes that they had played very well the entire game up to that point. So the lapses at the end are just mental.

Here's a theory I kept having yesterday. I wonder if the entire atmosphere around this team is so bad, and these guys are told they suck so often, that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Even Laufenberg said in the pregame yesterday that this was the worst week for the DFW media he'd ever seen. The negativity for a 2-2 team (and now a 3-2 team) is overwhelming, and these guys can't escape it if they turn on a TV or radio for even a minute. Maybe it's Jimmy's beloved Pygmalion principle working, only in a negative way.

The only way to get around it is to make a few plays and stops so these guys start to believe in themselves and gain some confidence. (Playing the fresher backup OLBs in spots would help.)

It could be. You could also make the case that on the last drive alan ball was on the field and pat watkins was out there all day so maybe that changed the approach.

Laufenberg said yesterday early in the game that it was a bad week for the team and romo, but a worse week for the media.

that is a shot fired directly at max morgan and fox and the no nothing crew at espn 1033. they jumped the gun on that stupid romo didnt know the downs story and couldnt be happier to run to national outlets and say look look look.

Max Morgan should have been given the middle finger by everyone involved with this team sunday when trying to get interviews, but he wasnt.

I think I will put that audio up later.
 

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Chocolate Lab;3011510 said:
Here's a theory I kept having yesterday. I wonder if the entire atmosphere around this team is so bad, and these guys are told they suck so often, that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

who tells these overpaid babies they SUCK? Jerry overhypes then overpays them, cupcake fluffs them and jag... er... jason doesn't much do anything except stand there like the genius he is.

but the atomosphere around the team is surely bad due to our pathetic leadership of jerry, wade & jason and our .500-ish mediocre play over the last 22 months or so.
 

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CowboyDan;3011156 said:
How would you fix it?? If you were Wade, what would you do to make your team have FOCUS?

by the way, Miles learned so much about focus after he almost fumbled at the goaline, that he admired himself on the replay board as he was running in the winning touchdown, from about the 30 yardline on. :bang2:

I've seen almost every RB and WR look up on the board as they are running on a long play. Most say they use the board to determine where the defenders behind them are.
 

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Chocolate Lab;3011510 said:
Wade addressed the last-minute scores in his PC today. The reporters asked something about playing a prevent-type defense at the end of the game, and he said no, they were playing the exact same coverages and were even getting some of the exact same routes that they had played very well the entire game up to that point. So the lapses at the end are just mental.

Here's a theory I kept having yesterday. I wonder if the entire atmosphere around this team is so bad, and these guys are told they suck so often, that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Even Laufenberg said in the pregame yesterday that this was the worst week for the DFW media he'd ever seen. The negativity for a 2-2 team (and now a 3-2 team) is overwhelming, and these guys can't escape it if they turn on a TV or radio for even a minute. Maybe it's Jimmy's beloved Pygmalion principle working, only in a negative way.


The only way to get around it is to make a few plays and stops so these guys start to believe in themselves and gain some confidence. (Playing the fresher backup OLBs in spots would help.)
It looked like Hamlin's fault to me... He let Bowe run right by, though he had the inside route, with Jenkins on the outside..
 

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theebs;3011525 said:
It could be. You could also make the case that on the last drive alan ball was on the field and pat watkins was out there all day so maybe that changed the approach.
Yeah, they asked him about that, too, and he claimed having Ball at corner didn't make any difference in his call... Although I find that hard to believe. As I'm sure you heard :), Babe was saying during the game that maybe they didn't want to leave Ball in coverage and that's why Wade wasn't sending more people.

In fact, now that I think about it, Newman came back in for overtime and it seems like we did send more people. So maybe he just didn't want to hang Ball out to dry in the PC?

Anyway, I think we just have to get a couple of these young kids in there for more energy at the end of the game. That might help. Whatever it takes to make a play or two at the end of the game to alleviate this negativity. (Truth is, Newman is my boy, but if he just makes that INT on the sideline earlier, we win 20-13 and a lot of these questions aren't here today.)
 

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Alexander;3011251 said:
You are right. Phillips cannot be held accountable for being what he is. If he tried to be something else, the players would see right through it.

Sadly, he's what everyone knew he would be from the minute he was hired and he hasn't disappointed.
He's not only what everyone knew he would be, he's also what everyone WANTED.

We just got out of an iron-fisted Parcells regime. That didn't work. The prevailing mentality was we needed a players' coach. Wade is the epitome of a players' coach. He sticks up for them first.

So basically, we got what we asked for.
 

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peplaw06;3011575 said:
He's not only what everyone knew he would be, he's also what everyone WANTED.

We just got out of an iron-fisted Parcells regime. That didn't work. The prevailing mentality was we needed a players' coach. Wade is the epitome of a players' coach. He sticks up for them first.

So basically, we got what we asked for.


Not all of us.

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theebs;3011585 said:
Not all of us.

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Agreed. Just seemed to be the prevailing mentality.

It's the way of the world in the NFL. It typically goes from one extreme to the other in coaching decisions. If someone's not working with the players on the roster, the tendency is to go in the complete opposite direction.

Old seasoned vet coach to young fresh blood coach.

Players' coach to no nonsense coach.

Defensive guru to offensive mastermind.

Etc.
 

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Chocolate Lab;3011559 said:
Yeah, they asked him about that, too, and he claimed having Ball at corner didn't make any difference in his call... Although I find that hard to believe. As I'm sure you heard :), Babe was saying during the game that maybe they didn't want to leave Ball in coverage and that's why Wade wasn't sending more people.

In fact, now that I think about it, Newman came back in for overtime and it seems like we did send more people. So maybe he just didn't want to hang Ball out to dry in the PC?

Anyway, I think we just have to get a couple of these young kids in there for more energy at the end of the game. That might help. Whatever it takes to make a play or two at the end of the game to alleviate this negativity. (Truth is, Newman is my boy, but if he just makes that INT on the sideline earlier, we win 20-13 and a lot of these questions aren't here today.)

The D looked good when it mattered. They shut down KC in OT. Stopping the drive that started at the 49 was a minor miracle. I thought we were done for.
 

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peplaw06;3011575 said:
We just got out of an iron-fisted Parcells regime. That didn't work. .

The iron-fisted regime had just made the playoffs, and was a fumbled snap from getting a first playoff win. Its not like Parcell's crashed and burned here so badly and that warranted changing the entire philosophy of the football team.

Bottom line is Jerry wanted his toy back. He was tired of sharing it with Bill, the same way he got tired of sharing it with Jimmy. Neither finalist for the job, Norv or Wade, was a guy who was going to walk in here and challenge Jerry on anything.

You could see how happy Jerry was the whole 13-3 season that *his* team was winning. Not Bill's or Jimmy's, his. he dropped comments almost weekly how much better life was with mean ol' Bill around. Right up until they lost.

Its the same reason Jerry made up some a lame excuse to sabotage the Reeves hiring - Dan is a guy with real skins on the wall who could come in and say W T F? and people around him would listen.

Jerry is not sharing the toy anymore. At least not until he breaks it again.
 

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peplaw06;3011575 said:
He's not only what everyone knew he would be, he's also what everyone WANTED.

We just got out of an iron-fisted Parcells regime. That didn't work. The prevailing mentality was we needed a players' coach. Wade is the epitome of a players' coach. He sticks up for them first.

So basically, we got what we asked for.

There's nothing in between?

I don't remember anything about people here wanting a "Player's coach" and would welcome you to show me where people were clamoring for that.

Most people felt Parcells was too conservative and past his better days as a head coach and that was the reason they wanted him out of here.

Player's coach? Sorry, I have no recollection of hordes of people storming the castle and demanding that...and trust me, I know, cuz I was at the head of that horde.
 

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peplaw06;3011575 said:
He's not only what everyone knew he would be, he's also what everyone WANTED.

We just got out of an iron-fisted Parcells regime. That didn't work. The prevailing mentality was we needed a players' coach. Wade is the epitome of a players' coach. He sticks up for them first.

So basically, we got what we asked for.

Wade is the epitome of a soft coach with no real authority.

It'd also be interesting to see what Wade would've done taking over after the 5-11 Campo years or what BP would've done taking over a 9-7 playoff team with Romo starting his first full season.

Parcells way didn't get us to where we ultimately wanted, but he got us back to playoff contention. To say his way "didn't work" is rather ludicrous, especially compared to where we were when he took over. To go from him to Wade though, and with Jerry taking on a more prominent role again was just plain insane.
 

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Bach;3011700 said:
Wade is the epitome of a soft coach with no real authority.

It'd also be interesting to see what Wade would've done taking over after the 5-11 Campo years or what BP would've done taking over a 9-7 playoff team with Romo starting his first full season.

Parcells way didn't get us to where we ultimately wanted, but he got us back to playoff contention. To say his way "didn't work" is rather ludicrous, especially compared to where we were when he took over. To go from him to Wade though, and with Jerry taking on a more prominent role again was just plain insane.

The place where Parcells' way worked was his management of Jerry. That was where he was most effective. Parcells was the voice of the team. Period.

Now, there is no head coach. There's a defensive coordinator and an offensive coordinator.

It just keeps getting more ridiculous.
 

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Juke99;3011650 said:
There's nothing in between?

I don't remember anything about people here wanting a "Player's coach" and would welcome you to show me where people were clamoring for that.

Most people felt Parcells was too conservative and past his better days as a head coach and that was the reason they wanted him out of here.

Player's coach? Sorry, I have no recollection of hordes of people storming the castle and demanding that...and trust me, I know, cuz I was at the head of that horde.

I'm not saying there's nothing in between. It's just from my recollection. People were tired of Parcells. TO had a lot to do with it as well. Many wanted someone who would get along with him, because it was clear Parcells wasn't.

I tried to go searching, but it appears there are only 9 threads in the 2007 archives of the fan zone.
 
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