Wade in a presser today says I dont know why we start out slow!

[Alexander]

He's not only what everyone knew he would be, he's also what everyone WANTED.

We just got out of an iron-fisted Parcells regime. That didn't work. The prevailing mentality was we needed a players' coach. Wade is the epitome of a players' coach. He sticks up for them first.

So basically, we got what we asked for.

That's right. No more egg shells. Breath of fresh air.

All that nonsense.

 

[wileedog]

I'm not saying there's nothing in between. It's just from my recollection. People were tired of Parcells. TO had a lot to do with it as well. Many wanted someone who would get along with him, because it was clear Parcells wasn't.

I tried to go searching, but it appears there are only 9 threads in the 2007 archives of the fan zone.

I'll send you $100 if you find one person who posted "We need someone to step back, just run the defense, let the players do whatever they want and defer to Jerry on all decisions, big or small. Oh and if he could hire a rookie OC with 1 year of coaching experience and promise him he gets the job after the first pushover, that'd be swell too. Get R done, Jerry!"

People were tired of Parcells because he was too conservative a coach. I think Parcells might have even perceived his way wasn't working well anymore which is why he wanted to move upstairs and off the sideline.

I don't know many people who had a problem with the way he treated the players, the assistants, or especially the media, outside the truly rabid haters. I don't think anyone would have been upset to have someone like Tom Coughlin or Marty Schottenheimer come after him (age issues aside).

 

[Bach]

The place where Parcells' way worked was his management of Jerry. That was where he was most effective. Parcells was the voice of the team. Period.

Now, there is no head coach. There's a defensive coordinator and an offensive coordinator.

It just keeps getting more ridiculous.

I know, it's back to when Jerry hired Gailey to be OC and then had DC Campo takeover and basically just remain DC while Jerry was pseudo-HC.

Other than Parcells, every coach since Jimmy was brought in primarily to be a coordinator and given the HC title but Jerry controlled virtually all aspects of the team, including hiring much of the coaching staff.

That's why it's laughable when some claim Jerry changed for good the day he hired Parcells. Because the day Parcells left Jerry went right back to his old ways and was more than happy to do so claiming Parcells way failed.

My biggest gripe about Parcells was the QB situation. We had to spend one year with QC, and miraculously made the playoffs. Then the next 2 1/2 were spent with old vets like Vinny and Drew. Only the final 1/2 year of BP's tenure did Romo come in and start. Romo was a raw undrafted FA so it may have taken that long for him to get in the starting lineup. It's just a shame we had to rely on scrubs and old journeymen for most of the Parcells "era".

But I can't think of hardly anyone not named Jerry that wanted us to go back to a soft puppet-like HC with Jerry large and charge again when Parcells left.

 

[rcaldw]

What does starting out slow have to do with your defense giving up final drive TD's?

 

[theebs]

That's right. No more egg shells. Breath of fresh air.

All that nonsense.

Just watch the wade phillips pc when he was hired. It is all layed out right there.

The first thing he did publically was to denounce everything that went on here the previous 4 years, the second thing he did was to cottle and enable owens.

and 3 years later its a problem for the team.

 

[peplaw06]

I'll send you $100 if you find one person who posted "We need someone to step back, just run the defense, let the players do whatever they want and defer to Jerry on all decisions, big or small. Oh and if he could hire a rookie OC with 1 year of coaching experience and promise him he gets the job after the first pushover, that'd be swell too. Get R done, Jerry!"

Nice strawman.

People were tired of Parcells because he was too conservative a coach. I think Parcells might have even perceived his way wasn't working well anymore which is why he wanted to move upstairs and off the sideline.

I don't know many people who had a problem with the way he treated the players, the assistants, or especially the media, outside the truly rabid haters. I don't think anyone would have been upset to have someone like Tom Coughlin or Marty Schottenheimer come after him (age issues aside).

You don't remember how many people *****ed about how he treated the players or the media?? Really?

 

[wileedog]

Nice strawman.

You don't remember how many people *****ed about how he treated the players or the media?? Really?

Yeah really, like I said outside of a small group of vocal people who hated everything he did.

Most of the complaints I heard about were his terrible game plans, Vinny and Drew, and not getting one of their pet players or QBs in the game because one his "Parcells guys" was in there instead.

What problems did most people have with how he treated the players, or especially the media whom he despised more than most of us here do?

 

[CowboyDan]

I've seen almost every RB and WR look up on the board as they are running on a long play. Most say they use the board to determine where the defenders behind them are.

He watched himself for 30 yards......i'm just sayin'

 

[CowboyDan]

My original question is this .....How would you fix it?? If you were Wade, what would you do to make your team have FOCUS?

 

[peplaw06]

Yeah really, like I said outside of a small group of vocal people who hated everything he did.

Most of the complaints I heard about were his terrible game plans, Vinny and Drew, and not getting one of their pet players or QBs in the game because one his "Parcells guys" was in there instead.

What problems did most people have with how he treated the players, or especially the media whom he despised more than most of us here do?

Was that not one of the problems with how he treated players?

 

[theebs]

Yeah really, like I said outside of a small group of vocal people who hated everything he did.

Most of the complaints I heard about were his terrible game plans, Vinny and Drew, and not getting one of their pet players or QBs in the game because one his "Parcells guys" was in there instead.

What problems did most people have with how he treated the players, or especially the media whom he despised more than most of us here do?

the catch phrase that the local mob started about him was that
"the game passed him by"

it was beyond idiotic but was used by every other person when talking about him.

I remember norm asking a fan who called in after a loss in 06 and started screaming this, what it meant. He asked the guy right out, what does that mean the game passed him by......The guy didnt have a single answer...he got mad and hung up.

we are seeing the same lunacy now around garrett. Whatever the mob insists on is the truth. The local radio guys all couldnt stand parcells, most of them just hated him because he was from the northeast......but now nearly all of them wish he were still here and didnt leave.

 

[wileedog]

Was that not one of the problems with how he treated players?

Not if those guys were better than the one's on the bench. And they were.

Look, "Parcell's Guys" became a code word for QB, because everyone was enraged that Bill brought in Vinny and Drew instead of playing Henson or Romo, or blowing a #1 on a QB.

But Jerry was never going to use a 1 on a QB, Henson flamed out and Romo himself said he wasn't ready at the time. So what's the beef?

Futhermore, who were the rest of the Parcell's guys?

Terry Glenn? Great player.
Keyshawn? Who on the bench was better?
Richie Anderson? A productive FB, esp in the passing game
Jason Ferguson? Very solid DT
Dan Campbell? Great guy that Witten learned a lot from

Who was being held back exactly? Did anyone on the team ever say there was favoritism? It was just a big canard for people who couldn't stand a coach who used to be a Giant.

He might not have done what every fan wanted, but he was absolutely fair in how he treated players with respect to who got on the field - if you produced you played. If not he found someone else who did. He just get held up at the QB spot because those take time to find and develop.

Again, to tone down my "strawman", no was asking for a 'players coach', or someone who was going to be all warm and fuzzy to what was already a rather undisciplined team. I think most people were just sick of the hold on to the ball as long as possible and win by 3 points philosophy, because this team wasn't particularly good at executing it. They are worse now.

 

[peplaw06]

Not if those guys were better than the one's on the bench. And they were......

Are you arguing that Parcells didn't treat players with favoritism, or that it wasn't a complaint of fans?

Cause I think you're having a different argument than I am.

Look, I wasn't one of those who wanted Parcells gone, so don't project that on me. All I'm saying is that there were many complaints about his being too rigid. Not only with the conservativeness of the offensive or defensive philosophies, but also with the way he treated people.... "the player," the media, how he was holding Romo back, etc.

Could those complaints have been wrong? Absolutely. But I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that the complaints weren't out there.... Sorry.

 

[Chuck 54]

First, Flozell Adams has been the same guy for 15 years...does anyone actually think another change of coach will make him penalty free? He's a good OT who still goes to the probowl despite his penalties.

Second, do we think mistakes like McBriar botching the hold for a fg is lack of focus? offsides on defense a lack of focus? (if so, that DWare sure had no focus last season, and Ratliff better tighten up)

Bill Parcells was supposed to be old school mean, tough, no crap coach...he couldn't cut down on the penalties much either. If I remember correctly, he got frustrated and said we just have dumb players, right?

It's not that easy...this team has a lot of new starters on defense. This team started the season with a very good QB who was playing his worst. And this team didn't have any real speed or quickness in the starting WRs until yesterday.

It's a work in progress....the players are playing hard....they must get better, but I don't think it's a lack of focus, and I don't think hiring a new coach during the season is the answer either, not even an interim head coach. On the contrary, I think these players play hard for WAde, whatever his shortcomings as the head guy. Changing coaches right now would send this team into a tailspin, I believe.

Give the team time...over the next 11 games, this thing will get better, or it will get worse. Any changes in coaching will occur in the offseason.

 

[rcaldw]

the catch phrase that the local mob started about him was that
"the game passed him by"

it was beyond idiotic but was used by every other person when talking about him.

I remember norm asking a fan who called in after a loss in 06 and started screaming this, what it meant. He asked the guy right out, what does that mean the game passed him by......The guy didnt have a single answer...he got mad and hung up.

we are seeing the same lunacy now around garrett. Whatever the mob insists on is the truth. The local radio guys all couldnt stand parcells, most of them just hated him because he was from the northeast......but now nearly all of them wish he were still here and didnt leave.

I agree with you on Garrett, and have said so many times before. It doesn't matter what the guy does, someone is taking issue with him. Then you look up and we have the #1 offense in the league. How did that happen?

I was participating in the game day thread, and 1 play before the TD throw some guy was complaining that we weren't running the ball.

I believe that if Garrett leaves Dallas he will be successful somewhere else, and we will be stuck, once again, in JerryLand, where the owner/gm/coach/medical advisor/ stays with an approach that leaves him as the actual head coach.

 

[iceberg]

on thefan 105.3 the announcers said that wade in a press conf said, i dont know why we come out slow!

is that the marks of a good head coach? I am not trying to say i dont wade, i wished he would do the things he said he would do and make changes, but not keep waiting to make changes during the game. You have to fix things in practices.

a fan called in and made one comment about when miles austin ran across the goal line and held the ball out and dropped it,
thats total lack of focus;
no chip of vrabel by ware-evidently wade didnt prepare ware for that
the 4 offsides on one series by the defensive line and linebackers
the dropping of the ball by gurode on snap count
the botched holding of the FG for folk to hit by mcbrair

this team lacks focus, that comes from the head coach

again, jerry wants to be in control, so jerry jones you had better fix the lack of focus by the team and the penalities

i take it you don't care for wade?

 

[BrassCowboy]

Just Fire Wade and give the keys to Garrett. Let Campo take over the D.

The man with a million excuses needs to go.

ughhh do not think that is the answer either

 

[hutch1254]

As far as Wade...there are couple ways Jerry could go.

He could can him and have Garrett go HC and Campo DC...giving Garrett his HC chance over 10-11 games. If it doesn't pan out he fires everyone anyway.

or he could ride Wade out like he said for "continuity" and anything short of SB he can fire everyone.

He really can play some options in my opinion and then go get who he wants with some cash.

I still think he rides Wade out for the year but if the coaching staff lays an egg against Atlanta with two weeks to prepare and being at home there should be no reason for Jerry not to say goodbye to Wade because that would be a coaching staff Loss in my mind.

 

[pugilist]

You take your cues from your head coach.

Wade doesn't know what the problems are, and it's obvious that the team follows suit.

Wade has the enthusiasm and urgency of a coma patient, and the team follows suit.

You can't have confidence in a guy who appears to have no confidence in himself.

this, this, THIS

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

A real HC would not say "i dont know why we start out slow"

A real HC would watch film or go back to his thoughts during the game and pull those players that were leading the "slow-ness"