Wade Phillips talks about his future;wade talks with ny media

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JBond;3114988 said:
Well said. Before this year I was ready to write Wade off. The job he has done this year (his contract year) has at least made me open to the possibility of him returning next season. I am not sure we want to start from ground zero with a new coaching staff. I understand Garrett will be here one way or another, but you know what I mean.

Comparisons to Landry or Johnson or even Parcells at this point is laughable in my opinion. Now if we win the big one, the whole conversation changes direction.

Thats true, the bottom line, wade must get the team to the playoffs and win, period. No more excuses!

I think if we get to the playoffs and he wins one maybe 2 through wildcard playoffs he stays one more year on his extension.

I have no problem with that, what i dont want to see, is say we get to the playoffs again and he loses again.

And he gives some more excuses to why he lost.

No more excuses, its time to put up or shut up.

This teams window is starting to close alittle due to the age in the offensive line. We dont have another 2-3 years for wade to get lucky and win.

Now what can happen is this and i will pull for wade a 100 percent, if he does things not waiting and attacks. Gives it his all. Wins a playoff game or two. I dont think this team is as good as the saints or vikings are this year. Now anything can happen once u get to the playoffs, but on paper to me this team isnt as good as the team in the 90s or the saints or vikings this year, they are real close but not quite there yet.

But if we can win some playoff games, possibly get to the championship game, even if we lose the cowboy players and coaches get a taste of that, see what it really takes, and jerry goes and get a couple of players like he traded for in 92 when we traded for charles haley and thomas everett.

I would be content with that.

Just dont be content to get to the playoffs or get a bye week and be content with the bye week win.

This team is real close to being a good team, but they are a few impact players away from being a championship superbowl type team like the cowboys were in 92, 93 and 95.
 

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cowboyjoe;3114999 said:
Big deal, is that record means you win any playoff games or superbowls?

Bottom line its all about what you do in december and finish in january and the playoffs. Someone said something along the lines you have and mentioned marv levy, well sure he didnt win any superbowls, but he won 11 playoffs games and was in 4 superbowls. How many playoffs and superbowls has wade won.

then, think about this, remember the team wade had in denver, he lost twice in the playoffs best i remember. Ok, what did shanahan do after wade left? Shanahan won 2 superbowls 2 years later. Something that wade couldnt do.

If I remember correctly about Wade and Shannys time in Denver, was Shanahan could not get it done either until Terrell Davis was on the team. Having a stud running back along with Elway tossing the pigskin makes a difference. We do not have either.
 

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cowboyjoe;3114999 said:
Big deal, is that record means you win any playoff games or superbowls?

Bottom line its all about what you do in december and finish in january and the playoffs. Someone said something along the lines you have and mentioned marv levy, well sure he didnt win any superbowls, but he won 11 playoffs games and was in 4 superbowls. How many playoffs and superbowls has wade won.

then, think about this, remember the team wade had in denver, he lost twice in the playoffs best i remember. Ok, what did shanahan do after wade left? Shanahan won 2 superbowls 2 years later. Something that wade couldnt do.

And John Gruden took Tony Dungy's team to the Super Bowl so what's your point? This is a parody league. The best team doesn't always win the Superbowl. This league is not easy at all. Its a win or your done league. This isn't the NBA. Sure he needs to win in December. We get it. But 30-13 is impressive. I'm not saying he should get high praise for it but its an impressive record regardless because out of all the teams Wade has had I never felt he had the best team in the league. Especially that Buffalo team.
 

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JBond;3114949 said:
Agree 100%. I posted what I did in reference to Chief and his hatred of Wade. Personally I believe Wade has done a pretty good job this year. Your Crayton example is a good one.

What the **** are you talking about?

I like the guy.

I just don't think he's the head coach to lead Dallas to a Super Bowl.
 

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Chief;3115047 said:
What the **** are you talking about?

I like the guy.

I just don't think he's the head coach to lead Dallas to a Super Bowl.

My mistake. It appeared after reading your post you were just regurgitating the same old lines about Wade, which based on his job this season seemed unfair. I just want to see it play out first. Plenty of time to crucify him after the season. Hopefully the players will play up to their potential along with the entire coaching staff coaching and play calling to their potential.
 

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CowboyMcCoy;3114241 said:
What else do you want him to say?

Ummmm, the part that I said he should say in my original post:

"We may have won a lot of games here, but I understand that this franchise has higher goals that go beyond the regular season. It's up to us as coaches to make sure this team finishes strong and reaches the lofty goals that are expected for a franchise like this."
 

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Chief;3115083 said:
Ummmm, the part that I said he should say in my original post:

"We may have won a lot of games here, but I understand that this franchise has higher goals that go beyond the regular season. It's up to us as coaches to make sure this team finishes strong and reaches the lofty goals that are expected for a franchise like this."


Except it is really up to the players to execute. The last few years they have played like garbage. I am pretty sure the coaches did not tell them to fumble or throw ints or not block or forget the snap count or not cover.
 

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Chief;3114220 said:
I'm surprised he doesn't have his won-loss record tattooed all over himself.

He certainly has no shame doing that when he gets indignant, which actually happens more often than it seems. He has this "good ol' boy" image going, but there is no doubt he has an underestimated ego and takes a lot of pride in what he believes he's accomplished. He gets very defensive and even concocts elaborate excuses to make things appear better. Case in point, earning a bye was like a victory.

That's one thing I think is missing from him and that is the desire. I honestly think he could retire tomorrow and tell himself he did "pretty good" and sleep well. I just don't see that burning desire to be regarded as one of the best of all time.
 

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JBond;3115091 said:
Except it is really up to the players to execute. The last few years they have played like garbage. I am pretty sure the coaches did not tell them to fumble or throw ints or not block or forget the snap count or not cover.

Uhh, I don't the players were ready to play at Philly in the season finale last year. Don't you think the coaches deserve at least part of the blame for that disaster?
 

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Alexander;3115101 said:
He certainly has no shame doing that when he gets indignant, which actually happens more often than it seems. He has this "good ol' boy" image going, but there is no doubt he has an underestimated ego and takes a lot of pride in what he believes he's accomplished. He gets very defensive and even concocts elaborate excuses to make things appear better. Case in point, earning a bye was like a victory.

That's one thing I think is missing from him and that is the desire. I honestly think he could retire tomorrow and tell himself he did "pretty good" and sleep well. I just don't see that burning desire to be regarded as one of the best of all time.

That's him in a nutshell. Well put.
 

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Alexander;3115101 said:
That's one thing I think is missing from him and that is the desire. I honestly think he could retire tomorrow and tell himself he did "pretty good" and sleep well. I just don't see that burning desire to be regarded as one of the best of all time.

And how would this "burning desire" you don't see manifest itself?

Wade shouldn't even answer these questions, that's true. But I think he's defending himself more against the perception that he's a clueless bumbling oaf, and on that I don't blame him too much. If the perception were more that he's a good, successful NFL coach who has a big hole in his resume because he hasn't won a playoff game, maybe he wouldn't defend himself so much.

But we know that isn't the perception.
 

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Alexander;3115101 said:
He certainly has no shame doing that when he gets indignant, which actually happens more often than it seems. He has this "good ol' boy" image going, but there is no doubt he has an underestimated ego and takes a lot of pride in what he believes he's accomplished. He gets very defensive and even concocts elaborate excuses to make things appear better. Case in point, earning a bye was like a victory.

That's one thing I think is missing from him and that is the desire. I honestly think he could retire tomorrow and tell himself he did "pretty good" and sleep well. I just don't see that burning desire to be regarded as one of the best of all time.

I think you see Wades' competitiveness when he gets indignant. He's a genuinely nice guy who's personality puts him in situations where it's easy not to give him credit for how smart he is and how hard he works. He appears sleepy and useless, but he's actually very competitive, and you can see it now and then when he loses patience with the press. It does come off as whiney, but I like seeing it anyway. It's about the only glimpse you get of what he's probably like with the team when the cameras are off.
 

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Chocolate Lab;3115118 said:
And how would this "burning desire" you don't see manifest itself?

Wade shouldn't even answer these questions, that's true. But I think he's defending himself more against the perception that he's a clueless bumbling oaf, and on that I don't blame him too much. If the perception were more that he's a good, successful NFL coach who has a big hole in his resume because he hasn't won a playoff game, maybe he wouldn't defend himself so much.

But we know that isn't the perception.

How's Wade's w/l % compare to Shottenheimer's? It's probably better isn't it? Yet the difference in how those two coaches are treated publicly is night and day, and based entirely on their personalities rather than their accomplishments.
 

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Chief;3115106 said:
Uhh, I don't the players were ready to play at Philly in the season finale last year. Don't you think the coaches deserve at least part of the blame for that disaster?

I have erased all memories of that game through extensive therapy. Please do not make me relive that horror.


and yes the entire team from the coaches to the water boy sucked that game.
 

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Chocolate Lab;3115118 said:
And how would this "burning desire" you don't see manifest itself?

Wade shouldn't even answer these questions, that's true. But I think he's defending himself more against the perception that he's a clueless bumbling oaf, and on that I don't blame him too much. If the perception were more that he's a good, successful NFL coach who has a big hole in his resume because he hasn't won a playoff game, maybe he wouldn't defend himself so much.

But we know that isn't the perception.

Idgit said:
I think you see Wades' competitiveness when he gets indignant. He's a genuinely nice guy who's personality puts him in situations where it's easy not to give him credit for how smart he is and how hard he works. He appears sleepy and useless, but he's actually very competitive, and you can see it now and then when he loses patience with the press. It does come off as whiney, but I like seeing it anyway. It's about the only glimpse you get of what he's probably like with the team when the cameras are off.

I agree there is a perception issue here. I posted a couple of weeks ago after one of Wade's weekly news conferences that he really should ask Rich Dalrymple for some guidance. Jerry hired a PR coach years ago (after his "pick of the litter," "Troy looks good in the shower" comments), and Wade could sure use one, too. That's what the PR guy is for. He's an expert. Use him.

And then go out and get the team ready to win in January.
 

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Chief;3115152 said:
I agree there is a perception issue here. I posted a couple of weeks ago after one of Wade's weekly news conferences that he really should ask Rich Dalrymple for some guidance. Jerry hired a PR coach years ago (after his "pick of the litter," "Troy looks good in the shower" comments), and Wade could sure use one, too. That's what the PR guy is for. He's an expert. Use him.

And then go out and get the team ready to win in January.

You know, Chief, that's a really good idea. I think the shift could probably be made pretty easily if it were worth the time to invest in it. There are a lot of positives about Wade. His players love him, and they comport themselves with class under his regime. We've got a lot of good guys in this locker room.
 

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Idgit;3115141 said:
How's Wade's w/l % compare to Shottenheimer's? It's probably better isn't it? Yet the difference in how those two coaches are treated publicly is night and day, and based entirely on their personalities rather than their accomplishments.

Good point. Schottenheimer has a commanding delivery when he's being interviewed ... a great communicator. He doesn't shrug and look down and mumble with his eyes half open.

Fair or not, this stuff matters. Maybe Schottenheimer's personality helps give him the benefit of the doubt when he's dealing with reporters.
 

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Chief;3115165 said:
Good point. Schottenheimer has a commanding delivery when he's being interviewed ... a great communicator. He doesn't shrug and look down and mumble with his eyes half open.

Fair or not, this stuff matters. Maybe Schottenheimer's personality helps give him the benefit of the doubt when he's dealing with reporters.


His persona did nothing to help "3 yards and a cloud of dust" Schottenheimer when he was run out of KC. In fact he was not real well liked. Not even going to get into his off the field issues.
 

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cowboyjoe;3114909 said:
To me he was, and saying the coaching styles are the same between Tom Landry and Wade is dumb.

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Here, you are called on fact....for if YOU were sitting at camp this summer, or back when Bill Parcells FIRST walked into the Alamodome on his FIRST Cowboy training camp, then YOU would know that intensity levels while at practice have NOT diminished. They go full speed as hard as anyone elses practices do. That training camps with Wade Phillips does NOT produce as many injuries going into the regular season, is a strength. That gives a better team adjustment and progression starting from the beginning of a season as well. Strut like a peacock when you prove YOUR statement.

Then to rush to say Tom Landry and Wade comparisons are dumb, shows you merely have an agenda with regards to that, and aren't being objective. First, BOTH were defensive men. They brought a quality prevalent during their times, and made THAT work. They both were a little light on the offensive side of the ball, and would adjust schemes to highlight potentials.

But to take a legend that has mythical standing, and then say someone is stupid in comparisons is purely an act in self service. Maybe YOU might like to explain the roles of his supporting coaching staff to give us insights of actual function and roles. Try starting with a long time coach on his staff...Ermal Allen. Maybe you can then state the role of Mr. Murchison as well...



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I proved that Landry's camps were alot tougher than Wade's camps. The only thing about wade's camp being tough this year, was that the players didnt get any days off in training camp. Again though, very little hitting in pads and tackling. Heck, even what did Michael Irvin say about his camp to the players, my camp will be alot tougher than wade's camp. but you will be ready to play as a football player.



Dont know where you have been, probably on the moon somewhere, because we all saw how the poor tackling showed up the first month.

Need I remind you that the running was poor in tampa bay? What did wade say why? Oh, its on me, I didnt run enough of the run blitz in training camp because I didnt want to get players hurt. Then, wade had to fix the pass defense because he didnt work on it enough in practice and training camp.

Eventually, you will see it, that wade waits and waits to fix things, just like last year with special teams.

That is not the mark of a good head coach.

Tom Landry most of the time was already setting up teams to run and pass on them, while doing the same with the defense. Wade waits and waits to do things, then he attacks.

That will get you beat.

1. Wade let the players off on a monday after a loss in arizona.
2. Cowboys lose the next game because they werent prepared, got out coached, and all 3 phases of the game. How many times did wade say we got outcoached last year? You might have beaten Landry once because of poor coaching, but you didnt do it in 2 games straight.
3. Wade has to get the advice of albert breer on special teams, sloppy playing etc before he fixed the problem.
4. Reports have surfaced in buffalo that wade would take friday afternoons off to go take lunch with his wife and wade wouldnt come back to practice.
5. Wade said he would never let a coach run his defense after he got fired with another team he coached as head coach. Yet, wade did that when he came to the Cowboys.
6. Wade had to have 4 coaches help bruce read run the special teams. When the cowboys had a problem with the kicker, or punter or special teams Landry himself fixed the problem since Landry was a punter at college etc. There was no way in sam hill Landry would put up with a coach that couldnt do his job, he wouldnt be there.
7. And finally with just alittle notes on this, how many playoff games has wade won, and how many has Tom Landry won?

There is no way in same hill that Tom Landry and good ole wade *i say that in humor* coached the same style.

Eventually you will wake up and realize, like they say about wade's camp cupcake, etc. Landry never taught like that. Granted Tom Landry's camps werent as physical as Jimmy Johnson's camps, but they were tough, not cupcake.

And speaking of that, Landry taught the players how to do different things, do the flex defense, multiple formations on offense, trick plays etc, but wade has tried to install his blitz schemes with the cowboys players. How did that work out in these 3 years? Remember, wade had to go back to simple defense, vanilla defense because the players couldnt get it down. That points to one main thing, your not working the players enough over and over on defense, etc till they get it down right. But you see someone like Rex Ryan work his multiple 3-4 defense with the jets this year and it worked didnt it. That means the teacher on defense, which is wade phillips as defensive cooordinator and head coach is soft on his players not getting it down right.

I dont care what if players like bradie james complained about how hard camp was hard, reason it was hard this year, wade didnt let the players have any days off, either they worked, or they studied on film, with no time off, poor baby cowboys. Give me a break, they are paid a ton of money to do their job, if they dont like it and dont want to work, fire or trade them or cut them.

Its wade's job to get them ready, not wait and wait, and then say, oh gee, I didnt work them enough in training camp because i didnt want to get players hurt. Give me a break! Thats football, it happens.
Granted the players have to execute, but Jimmy Johnson got his players to work and run their defense, so should good ole wade, but did he get to run his multiple defense, No! Eventually you will get it.

First, before trying to start an argument, gather facts, and not solely made up to support what agenda you have. Wade came into a situation, where a scheme had just been established. Tom Landry opened up the history book for Dallas. Their two roles were different, grasp a difference in applications?

Tom Landry had to create offense, and that is NOT the present status of Wade. As to applications, Wade is light years advanced, as is the entire NFL, as to qualities inherent in defense. He has additionally brought a variety of sets and schemes to the table as well. In actuality, Wade's strength for being hired, was that he was very effective in application and adaptations during games, of the 3-4 which the franchise took as it's direction.

Now, beyond pure speculation of your own agenda, you prove very little beyond one's own opinion here...and the steady growth of this defense goes very strongly to the positive for WADE PHILLIPS.

Maybe you have missed comments about the first, FIRST, Wade freindly players being added here in year THREE. Those being Igor Oshansky, and Keith Brooking. Maybe YOU should stop and take a look, and see just how HARD those two 'Wade' players are playing......soft?

I won't continue and describe how this unit, with many other 'new' starters are coming around and rank statistically. Suffice it to say that Dallas is number TWO in points allowed for the season...while the Dallas offense is a top ten easily, as to total production.

Maybe you should first glean a leg to stand upon, beyond a hero worship...as to Wade Phillips, during this preparation for that December run, I'll quote the following:

Rest now for the banged up Cowboys. 5 Games to go, with the most oppressive element of this stretch is attempting to tune out the questions and conversations about Cowboys historical failures in December. Keith Brooking reminded the media that those teams have nothing a darn thing to do with this team. I agree with his premise, but that won't keep the stories from being written. Prepare for the stretch.

But since your 45 is stuck on a groove...play on.
 

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CCBoy;3114669 said:
Now easy fella'...as no one was offering belly rubs. If that is a personal preference, it takes all kinds as fans. My contention is that as far as personalities go...both were defensive articulates that brought a lot to the table in that area. Tom Landry developed his offense around the talents that he possessed and developed techniques that could be used by them. The same with Wade Phillips...and there is the base of a similarity. Tom went through drought years, before arriving at a dominant and eventually championship team. There is no comparison here, due to Tom running out a string of nineteen consecutive years as head of the Cowboy franchise.

There are additional similarities, in that both accumulated long successes during the regular seasons, and this allowed entrance into the playoff arena. Injuries changed team direction last season, and it would take a Mac Truck with trailor to move this team off course at present...but I offered a look and see remedy. We'll reserve 'Jumpback Mountain' priviledges to another consideration...and state that at the point of it's applicability.

The time line of successes for this Dallas team is impressive despite all nay sayers and diminishing of achievements. The team is headed into December with a top division record and no worse than the top competitors going against it there. That is what it is also....I'll just await failure before I declare that fact, in a year by year professional sport. This is a new year...LOL. :star:

If you can't see the difference between Wade Phillips and Tom Landry then there is a saying I heard once that comes to mind...... "Nothing is so mysterious as the obvious to the person who doesn't want to see it."
 
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