Wade Phillips talks about his future;wade talks with ny media

[CCBoy]

Lots of good stuff in there. You should consider posting more.

I always stop and take note as a humbled and co-fan. Thanks...

 

[Beast_from_East]

What Wade Phillups has to realize is that THIS IS DALLAS!!!!!

This is not Buffalo, Atlanta, or even Denver. Winning regular season games and then doing jack in the playoffs is not acceptable. We are the Lakers or Yankees of the NFL, our tradition is winning championships or at least playing for championships.

I dont give a dam if we go 14-2 every freaking year if we are "one and done" come post season time. And dont tell me that having a bye week is equivalent to a playoff win, because its not. That is what losers say to try and justify why they cant get it done in crunch time.

Its real simple Wade, Jerry freaking laid it out for you today. You win the divison so we get to host a playoff game at the new stadium (and you better dam well win that game this time). You blow the division, you are gone.

 

[Idgit]

What Wade Phillups has to realize is that THIS IS DALLAS!!!!!

This is not Buffalo, Atlanta, or even Denver. Winning regular season games and then doing jack in the playoffs is not acceptable. We are the Lakers or Yankees of the NFL, our tradition is winning championships or at least playing for championships.

I dont give a dam if we go 14-2 every freaking year if we are "one and done" come post season time. And dont tell me that having a bye week is equivalent to a playoff win, because its not. That is what losers say to try and justify why they cant get it done in crunch time.

Its real simple Wade, Jerry freaking laid it out for you today. You win the divison so we get to host a playoff game at the new stadium (and you better dam well win that game this time). You blow the division, you are gone.

Having a bye week *is* equivalent to a victory in terms of advancing in the playoffs. It's the surest way to get to round 2, and it's a fitting reward for significant regular season success. I don't see what's so hard about acknowledging that.

Where it's not equivalent is it doesn't demonstrate a coach's ability to get his team to execute in a won-or-done scenario. I think that demonstration is a lot more important to some people than it is to others. Personally, I think it's only marginally important.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Having a bye week *is* equivalent to a victory in terms of advancing in the playoffs. It's the surest way to get to round 2, and it's a fitting reward for significant regular season success. I don't see what's so hard about acknowledging that.

Where it's not equivalent is it doesn't demonstrate a coach's ability to get his team to execute in a won-or-done scenario. I think that demonstration is a lot more important to some people than it is to others. Personally, I think it's only marginally important.

Winning playoff games is marginally important???

I must have misunderstood what you are saying here, because I know you cant be serious. Winning playoff games is what the whole season is about. The reason you try to win your division and get a bye is so you get an extra week of rest and you get to play a lower seed in the playoffs, thus increasing your chance of winning IN THE PLAYOFFS.

The playoffs are the "second season" of the NFL and they matter more than you can imagine. Jerry just said today in a round about way that if Wade doesnt win the division, he is gone. That is not an owner worried about regular season wins, that is an owner that wants to host a playoff game and celebrate a playoff victory in his new stadium.

Go tell Jerry that playoff wins are only marginally important.

 

[Idgit]

Winning playoff games is marginally important???

I must have misunderstood what you are saying here, because I know you cant be serious. Winning playoff games is what the whole season is about. The reason you try to win your division and get a bye is so you get an extra week of rest and you get to play a lower seed in the playoffs, thus increasing your chance of winning IN THE PLAYOFFS.

The playoffs are the "second season" of the NFL and they matter more than you can imagine. Jerry just said today in a round about way that if Wade doesnt win the division, he is gone. That is not an owner worried about regular season wins, that is an owner that wants to host a playoff game and celebrate a playoff victory in his new stadium.

Go tell Jerry that playoff wins are only marginally important.

Why would I tell Jerry playoff wins are marginally important? Nobody said that. I said the incremental benefit a team gets from advancing to the second round of the playoffs by beating another team is marginally more important than the benefit they get from advancing to the second round via a bye.

In fact, earning the spot via a bye might even be more difficult than earning it via winning in the wildcard round. I think our fans discount it because they're unhappy about the playoff losing streak, but for practical purposes, advancing is advancing and it's not something our fans should just write off because they're disappointed there wasn't an actual wildcard team there to beat.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

Cry me a river Wade :cry2::cry2::cry2:

Sure you've won some games in Dallas, but you were also handed the keys to a pretty talented group of players. I suspect that ALOT of coaches could have the record you have in Dallas over the 2.5 years with these players.

 

[djmajestik]

I didnt say he was stupid, in other words, what i was pointing to was wade being hard headed, and to some degree soft hearted.

Hard headed in that he wouldnt listen to media telling him about camp cupcake, being too soft on the players in november and december by not working them. Then, keeping special teams coach, when wade had to put 4 extra coaches to help out special teams with bruce read. If that isnt being hard headed i dont know what is.

Soft hearted in believing all players should be treated as professionals and you dont have to work them. Keeping brian stewart around and bruce read when he shouldnt have, while at the same time, wade not emphasizing special teams enough. Now what does wade do with special teams, its the first part of practice. And you have seen the results with a very good special teams coach. I am not sure your aware or not, but special teams last year were a joke, even some of the players on special teams didnt want to play on special teams or just stood around for an hour, you were lucky if special teams were worked on at least once a week for an hour.
Yes, thats how bad it was.

that to me points to a head coach that refused to see things and finally had to do something to keep his job. Remember what wade said, some things have to change, and it starts with me as head coach.

Thats what im pointing to, if it took wade that long to realize things, what makes you think he doesnt realize things about the playoffs, like getting the team ready, preparing good game plans, not standing pat and saying, i have a good record during the season, eventually i will get there, so be patient.

Oh, by the way, everywhere i have been i have won games during the season, look at my record, but thing he still doesnt get,look at his record for the playoffs and how he had the team prepared.

I think he gets part of it now, because jerry jones called him in again during the season a few weeks ago like after the green bay game and had alittle talk with him.

Thats the point im trying to drive home. Now, I do want wade to succeed, and win some games in the playoffs, and realize what it actually takes to win ball games so he can get us there, but he cant keep waiting to get there, just depending on his won loss record during the year.

You serious want the HC of the Dallas Cowboys listening to the media? Now I have heard everything. COme on now, I am in no way a Wade supporter, but we have had a myriad of coaching styles in here that have NOT won a playoff game before Wade, and Wade is just another style to give it a go. The man is asked why he feels jaded about being disrespected, and he says he has won more games than lost everywhere he has been, and gets called out on that too.

I guess it is true, winning cures all problems. I personally would like to see a different HC next year in Dallas, but all the woes and issues with this team to NOT fall on the HC, and do NOT fall on the head of Red. Sometimes the players need to execute, and not get stupid penalties in crucial points in the game. You can call it coaching all you want, but it happens repeatedly, so don't tell me that the HC just doesn't care about that. It is being worked on in practice, you can be assured.

 

[djmajestik]

Oh, the ghosts of Christmas past are frightening for sure...

Let's see, a team substituting a slicked up football, which under normal circumstances would be construed as cheating, caused a lapse in Tony Romo who if had only dived for the first down in a playoff closing victory chip shot field goal, would have ended all present speculation of inabilities of Wade Phillips.

Then you have an upstart Giant team that actually snuck the game away from a team that was not yet playoff hardened, the Cowboys. That team, the Giants incidentally, snuck their way all the way to beating the Patriots. Who thought that David would actually slay Goliath?

The Eagles for the past ten years, have gone year on and year off, all the way to the Super Bowl and then back. Yet they still haven't claimed the top prize even once...so, where is the true line?

Consistency during the regular season is a good place to look, as that both unifies the team as well as provides opportunity, the most important aspect at the regular season's end.

Now, correct my memory, if Tom Landry didn't approach the formalities of his own views in a very similar fashion as does Wade at present. Being courteous and a little humbling in approach was as previlent in Tom as it now is with Wade. Both coaches were successful during the regular season, generally. At Tom's conclusion, the Cowboys were defineably in array and lacking in ability to adapt with a then changing NFL. Wade is no where close to such a transition point.

The last group of fans that I saw as extreme oriented as many current Cowboy fans, was Houston. They railheaded both Bum Phillips and Earl Campbell and shipped them BOTH off to New Orleans. Go figure that current irony now.

It took a hurricane's devastating effects to bring out a deep seeded love of their team and serve as the real stimulus of their current rebound and ultimate success as a team. Dallas fans have lost the salt in their value as team supporters. The constant attack of playoffs or nothing, is such a level of non-support. It even substitutes the emotional and thought supportive elements to spontinaety in play...as well as a true homefield advantage. Maybe fans should take stock here, instead of comparing Wade to ghosts of Christmas past.

This team has less problems in their team, than do the other players in their own NFC East conference. The Giants are on a five game slide...that's FIVE. The Commanders had their own version of this weekend's all or nothing game, and lost to Dallas. Philadelphia is without their true play-maker on offense. Their defense has lost TWO of it's present starters in their secondary and the true life of that side of ball before the season even started....and he ended up in Denver. The team is on it's THIRD starting middle linebacker, and their top big play maker, Jackson, has had his first concussion. He went black light special on the carpet. This is baggage of their own, to try and manuever through over the same period of time, that Dallas only has to play up to it's level of abilities.

Maybe, if all this sophistication of perspective were diluted to the level of a real fan....well, the play of those on the field would more closely resemble memories of former times when the same fans attempt to root for a direct comparison, than for those on the field and responsible for leading them.

A 'caviar' mentality, does resolve around high price product, but it is very limited in application. Those allowed to wheel and deal on that level, deal in limited markets with high price associations and flow of product. This is football folks, and for this team to succeed, it needs real fans, who do not first pull out a chart off a googled expedition to see IF this team measures.

What, the simpleness of the sport is so easily lost?

Football is a simple sport that was developed for it's love and satisfaction of the sport...the playing of the game. While ultimate goals are admirable in principal, it's the application of the fan's part that is being lost here.

Maybe the why's of how Wade Phillips responds would NOT be lost nearly so quickly, if the love of the game were worn by the fan on his sleeve, instead of a price index supported by a five page statistical sheet alongside. Root for your team, and after the dust settles, then make a comparative restriction on your rooting....think?

Very well put, could not have stated it better. And love what you put about Landry's style, was thinking that very thing reading the OP's post.

 

[djmajestik]

Dont even try to put wade in the category of a tom landry. No Way!

Landry would look at you with a certain look, called the stone look and you felt like crawling underneath the floor for making bad plays or missing assignments. Landy made all players run the Landry Mile. Even Landry ran the Landry mile and even beat Randy White at the bottom of the hill Randy White's rookie year.

When teams made mistakes, errors etc, Landry didnt give players the days off or the next day off like wade did after the Arizona game just because he thought they played hard. Horse Feathers, you as a head coach give the players the Monday off because you thought they played hard. Even all of the offensive linemen all except for Flozell Adams thought they played horribly.

You want the real reason why Wade gave them the day off, Wade looked bushed, tired and run down after that loss and wade had to regroup.

Did Jimmy Johnson ever give players days off after a loss or a bye weekend off on a big game like the playoff game against the Giants? No!

You need to go talk to Drew Pearson or Randy White about practices, when they messed up or thought they were too hard, Landry worked them even harder. Evidently you didnt listen to a podcast where Randy White said that very exact thing. Players had made him the moderator to go to Landry to tell him that his practices were too tough. White went to Landry, telling him so, Coach Landry then asked White if that was all, Randy said sure coach.

Next practice, Landry worked them even harder.

Landry has won more playoff games, and super bowls than Wade ever can dream of. Did Bum Philips ever win a super bowl? No! Then, there is your answer.

So, dont even try to put wade as a good coach like Landry.

Wade couldnt polish Landry's shoes as a head coach. What wade is is a very good defensive coordinator. He is still learning as a head coach, you would figure after 30 years coaching he would already know, but evidently not.

Did Landry ever keep an inept special teams coach like Bruce Read? Did Landry in practices in November and December ever not have the players wok in pads during the week for all of November and December like Wade did in 2007. This team got real soft late in November and December. That was all on Wade. No one else!

True, some of this lays at the door of Jerry Jones for his so called calling the shots on the final 53 man roster, and having some puppet coaches like Campo for head coaches etc and letting Larry Lacewell run the drafting departement. We are still suffering from that with the poor drafting till Parcells came in and fixed the drafting era.

One of wade's biggest problems is his soft approach to the game. When Terry Bradshaw, Howie Long, and Jimmy Johnson had to tell you that your special teams were horrible, along with a former scout of the Cowboys, that Wade asked advice on the Cowboys in 2008 what was wrong. One of the first things he told wade was, your special teams have been horrible ever since you were head coach in Buffalo. And those same people said, your playing sloppy sloppy football wade.

Its totally inept of a head coach to let players off the next day after a loss to the Cardinals, because, oh, i thought they played hard.

And what may i ask pray tell happened the next game after wade gave the players that monday off, they played another sloppy game against the rams. And what may i ask pray tell did wade say after the rams game. We got outcoached in offense, defense, special teams and coaching. Duh, sure didnt help when you let players have that Monday off after the cardinal loss.

And Bradie James said the same thing about "Camp Cupcake" this year that he never imagined that it would be different, but that he ran a much harder camp this year. We are just not privy to EVERYTHING that goes on at camp. he was in NO WAY equating Wade to Landry (at least that is what I presume) because that would be idiotic and inane.

All he was saying is the style on the sidelines were some what similar.

 

[cowboyjoe]

And Bradie James said the same thing about "Camp Cupcake" this year that he never imagined that it would be different, but that he ran a much harder camp this year. We are just not privy to EVERYTHING that goes on at camp. he was in NO WAY equating Wade to Landry (at least that is what I presume) because that would be idiotic and inane.

All he was saying is the style on the sidelines were some what similar.

To me he was, and saying the coaching styles are the same between Tom Landry and Wade is dumb.

I proved that Landry's camps were alot tougher than Wade's camps. The only thing about wade's camp being tough this year, was that the players didnt get any days off in training camp. Again though, very little hitting in pads and tackling. Heck, even what did Michael Irvin say about his camp to the players, my camp will be alot tougher than wade's camp. but you will be ready to play as a football player.



Dont know where you have been, probably on the moon somewhere, because we all saw how the poor tackling showed up the first month.

Need I remind you that the running was poor in tampa bay? What did wade say why? Oh, its on me, I didnt run enough of the run blitz in training camp because I didnt want to get players hurt. Then, wade had to fix the pass defense because he didnt work on it enough in practice and training camp.

Eventually, you will see it, that wade waits and waits to fix things, just like last year with special teams.

That is not the mark of a good head coach.

Tom Landry most of the time was already setting up teams to run and pass on them, while doing the same with the defense. Wade waits and waits to do things, then he attacks.

That will get you beat.

1. Wade let the players off on a monday after a loss in arizona.
2. Cowboys lose the next game because they werent prepared, got out coached, and all 3 phases of the game. How many times did wade say we got outcoached last year? You might have beaten Landry once because of poor coaching, but you didnt do it in 2 games straight.
3. Wade has to get the advice of albert breer on special teams, sloppy playing etc before he fixed the problem.
4. Reports have surfaced in buffalo that wade would take friday afternoons off to go take lunch with his wife and wade wouldnt come back to practice.
5. Wade said he would never let a coach run his defense after he got fired with another team he coached as head coach. Yet, wade did that when he came to the Cowboys.
6. Wade had to have 4 coaches help bruce read run the special teams. When the cowboys had a problem with the kicker, or punter or special teams Landry himself fixed the problem since Landry was a punter at college etc. There was no way in sam hill Landry would put up with a coach that couldnt do his job, he wouldnt be there.
7. And finally with just alittle notes on this, how many playoff games has wade won, and how many has Tom Landry won?

There is no way in same hill that Tom Landry and good ole wade *i say that in humor* coached the same style.

Eventually you will wake up and realize, like they say about wade's camp cupcake, etc. Landry never taught like that. Granted Tom Landry's camps werent as physical as Jimmy Johnson's camps, but they were tough, not cupcake.

And speaking of that, Landry taught the players how to do different things, do the flex defense, multiple formations on offense, trick plays etc, but wade has tried to install his blitz schemes with the cowboys players. How did that work out in these 3 years? Remember, wade had to go back to simple defense, vanilla defense because the players couldnt get it down. That points to one main thing, your not working the players enough over and over on defense, etc till they get it down right. But you see someone like Rex Ryan work his multiple 3-4 defense with the jets this year and it worked didnt it. That means the teacher on defense, which is wade phillips as defensive cooordinator and head coach is soft on his players not getting it down right.

I dont care what if players like bradie james complained about how hard camp was hard, reason it was hard this year, wade didnt let the players have any days off, either they worked, or they studied on film, with no time off, poor baby cowboys. Give me a break, they are paid a ton of money to do their job, if they dont like it and dont want to work, fire or trade them or cut them.

Its wade's job to get them ready, not wait and wait, and then say, oh gee, I didnt work them enough in training camp because i didnt want to get players hurt. Give me a break! Thats football, it happens.
Granted the players have to execute, but Jimmy Johnson got his players to work and run their defense, so should good ole wade, but did he get to run his multiple defense, No! Eventually you will get it.

 

[JBond]

This is part of what drives me crazy about Wade.

I'm surprised he doesn't have his won-loss record tattooed all over himself. He reminded everyone over and over about going 13-3 in his first year in Dallas, and apparently is still carrying around his 29-19 card from Buffalo years ago.

Those records a good, but at some point, he needs to understand that what happens in late December and January matters. How you finish is more important than how you start.

I can tell by reading this that he still doesn't get it. He acts like he still doesn't know what else to do.

This is what he should have said:

"We may have won a lot of games here, but I understand that this franchise has higher goals that go beyond the regular season. It's up to us as coaches to make sure this team finishes strong and reaches the lofty goals that are expected for a franchise like this."


Quit telling us about how many games you won at Buffalo. Quit shrugging and acting like you're so mistreated.

Your team has tanked at the end of the last two seasons. January matters, Wade.

Maybe you would prefer he throw the players that cost us the late games because of horrible play under the bus? Would that be more to your liking?

 

[cowboyjoe]

Maybe you would prefer he throw the players that cost us the late games because of horrible play under the bus? Would that be more to your liking?

You hold the players accountable in some way form or fashion, when you keep letting them get away with things, how do you expect them to change.

Its in their head, oh gee, their not going to do anything to me, so why should i worry. I can keep doing the same ole thingk, because good ole wade will take the blame.

Like Jimmy Johnson did, if players made mistakes, they ran, the team section that made the error. Eventually the players in that group that have to keep running or whatever the coach dishes out in discipline, those players will see that the player that keeps goofing up they will see that player doesnt mess up anymore. Thats what players like charles haley, kevin gogan, darren woodson and others on the team did. Do you remember what charles haley told troy aikman one day, if the players in the offense huddle dont do what you tell them, let me know i will straighten them out, because if we lose, they are messing with my money in playoffs and getting a chance to go to the superbowl. Even darren woodson caught safety roy williams trying to sneak out the back door, and woodson grabbed him by his you know what and made him study film with him. Remember what some players said about not working out in the weight room, they got one of the assistants to tell wade they were working out and they werent. Parcells was always in the weight room checking up to see who was there and who wasnt.



Just like this year when crayton fumbled etc what did wade do to him, he demoted him, took him away from punt returning and demoted him as 2nd wr position. That woke crayton up, and he performed better with renewed vigor.

There are tons of ways to discipline players, you just dont say i as head coach will take the blame, you discipline the players.

 

[JBond]

You hold the players accountable in some way form or fashion, when you keep letting them get away with things, how do you expect them to change.

Its in their head, oh gee, their not going to do anything to me, so why should i worry. I can keep doing the same ole thingk, because good ole wade will take the blame.

Like Jimmy Johnson did, if players made mistakes, they ran, the team section that made the error. Eventually the players in that group that have to keep running or whatever the coach dishes out in discipline, those players will see that the player that keeps goofing up they will see that player doesnt mess up anymore. Thats what players like charles haley, kevin gogan, darren woodson and others on the team did. Do you remember what charles haley told troy aikman one day, if the players in the offense huddle dont do what you tell them, let me know i will straighten them out, because if we lose, they are messing with my money in playoffs and getting a chance to go to the superbowl. Even darren woodson caught safety roy williams trying to sneak out the back door, and woodson grabbed him by his you know what and made him study film with him. Remember what some players said about not working out in the weight room, they got one of the assistants to tell wade they were working out and they werent. Parcells was always in the weight room checking up to see who was there and who wasnt.



Just like this year when crayton fumbled etc what did wade do to him, he demoted him, took him away from punt returning and demoted him as 2nd wr position. That woke crayton up, and he performed better with renewed vigor.

There are tons of ways to discipline players, you just dont say i as head coach will take the blame, you discipline the players.

Agree 100%. I posted what I did in reference to Chief and his hatred of Wade. Personally I believe Wade has done a pretty good job this year. Your Crayton example is a good one.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Agree 100%. I posted what I did in reference to Chief and his hatred of Wade. Personally I believe Wade has done a pretty good job this year. Your Crayton example is a good one.

Yes, he has but some of it has come from jerry jones too, just think about this, what if wade had done the job he should have done in training camp, getting the defense ready for the run and pass, we might have won that giant game and the denver game. That would have us at 10-1, with a run at the top 2nd seed for sure. Remember jerry called wade in after the green bay game, and said a few things. Jerry called for ogletree to get some more playing time and u saw some good results. Wade does not like to play rookies, i understand that rookies make mistakes, but they get better as the season goes on. Just like the game against carolina, when we finally saw butler on pass rushing, he made plays.. big time plays. Then, you didnt see butler again for awhile because wade said i dont trust him. Wade did the same thing last year with felix on kickoffs and u saw the results last year. Wade said the same thing last year with choice and you saw choice have 3 100 yard games when barber was hurt.

That to me is frustrating, because of things wade does. But he was forced to make some changes by jerry jones at the end of the year and he was forced to make some more changes after teh green bay game. I am getting tired of his waiting or being forced to do something. He is suppose to be the head coach and do it. Thats why he was hired.

Its not that I dont like wade or even chief, its what wade has done the past 3 years here, waitint to fix things. That should have been done the first year! Thats why sometimes i want to throw up my hands in disgust. If he does what he should instead of being panzy about it, no telling what we could do. Now, at the same time, wade isnt alone in this, jason garrett is as much to blame in some of this too.

Like chief said, makes it frustrating, just like wade popped off and said oh, i won a playoff game here, the bye week. Big Deal! He has never won a playoff game anywhere he has played yet. I am tired of the excuses, waiting to fix things, when its his job to do them in the first place.

And comparing him to tom landry and jimmy johnson having a better winning percentage then tom and landry did, just inflames me. First, this team was built, in 2007. That was a superbowl team, that mostly parcells had built.

If wade had a team like tom landry had that was poor in talent like tom or jimmy johnson had in their first 3 years, wade wouldnt have done as well as tom or jimmy did.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

30-13 is damn impressive I don't care what the record in December is. I mean yea it does matter but you can't take that record away from him. That's solid.

 

[JBond]

Its not that I dont like wade or even chief, its what wade has done the past 3 years here, waitint to fix things. That should have been done the first year!

Like chief said, makes it frustrating, just like wade popped off and said oh, i won a playoff game here, the bye week. Big Deal! He has never won a playoff game anywhere he has played yet. I am tired of the excuses, waiting to fix things, when its his job to do them in the first place.

And comparing him to tom Landry and jimmy johnson having a better winning percentage then tom and landry did, just inflames me. First, this team was built, in 2007. That was a superbowl team, that mostly parcells had built.

If wade had a team like tom landry had that was poor in talent like tom or jimmy johnson had in their first 3 years, wade wouldnt have done as well as tom or jimmy did.

Well said. Before this year I was ready to write Wade off. The job he has done this year (his contract year) has at least made me open to the possibility of him returning next season. I am not sure we want to start from ground zero with a new coaching staff. I understand Garrett will be here one way or another, but you know what I mean.

Comparisons to Landry or Johnson or even Parcells at this point is laughable in my opinion. Now if we win the big one, the whole conversation changes direction.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Maybe you would prefer he throw the players that cost us the late games because of horrible play under the bus? Would that be more to your liking?

Yea I can't speak for his days with Buffalo but as a Cowboy I didn't think he cost us this terrible record in December. Parcells had it as well. At some point you have to put it on the players. Everytime something goes wrong we want to focus it back on the coach.

 

[JBond]

Yea I can't speak for his days with Buffalo but as a Cowboy I didn't think he cost us this terrible record in December. Parcells had it as well. At some point you have to put it on the players. Everytime something goes wrong we want to focus it back on the coach.

This seems to be true in any team sport. It is always easier (though not necessarily more productive) to chance out the coach rather than the players.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yes, he has but some of it has come from jerry jones too, just think about this, what if wade had done the job he should have done in training camp, getting the defense ready for the run and pass, we might have won that giant game and the denver game. That would have us at 10-1, with a run at the top 2nd seed for sure. Remember jerry called wade in after the green bay game, and said a few things. Jerry called for ogletree to get some more playing time and u saw some good results. Wade does not like to play rookies, i understand that rookies make mistakes, but they get better as the season goes on. Just like the game against carolina, when we finally saw butler on pass rushing, he made plays.. big time plays. Then, you didnt see butler again for awhile because wade said i dont trust him. Wade did the same thing last year with felix on kickoffs and u saw the results last year. Wade said the same thing last year with choice and you saw choice have 3 100 yard games when barber was hurt.

That to me is frustrating, because of things wade does. But he was forced to make some changes by jerry jones at the end of the year and he was forced to make some more changes after teh green bay game. I am getting tired of his waiting or being forced to do something. He is suppose to be the head coach and do it. Thats why he was hired.

Its not that I dont like wade or even chief, its what wade has done the past 3 years here, waitint to fix things. That should have been done the first year! Thats why sometimes i want to throw up my hands in disgust. If he does what he should instead of being panzy about it, no telling what we could do. Now, at the same time, wade isnt alone in this, jason garrett is as much to blame in some of this too.

Like chief said, makes it frustrating, just like wade popped off and said oh, i won a playoff game here, the bye week. Big Deal! He has never won a playoff game anywhere he has played yet. I am tired of the excuses, waiting to fix things, when its his job to do them in the first place.

And comparing him to tom landry and jimmy johnson having a better winning percentage then tom and landry did, just inflames me. First, this team was built, in 2007. That was a superbowl team, that mostly parcells had built.

If wade had a team like tom landry had that was poor in talent like tom or jimmy johnson had in their first 3 years, wade wouldnt have done as well as tom or jimmy did.

So let me get this straight. You believe that it takes less than a season in order for you to "fix things"? And that team in 2007 was by no means a Super Bowl team. Not that defense. No way in hell. We may have had the best record in the NFC but the Giants defense was superior to anything the Cowboys could throw out there.

 

[cowboyjoe]

30-13 is damn impressive I don't care what the record in December is. I mean yea it does matter but you can't take that record away from him. That's solid.

Big deal, is that record means you win any playoff games or superbowls?

Bottom line its all about what you do in december and finish in january and the playoffs. Someone said something along the lines you have and mentioned marv levy, well sure he didnt win any superbowls, but he won 11 playoffs games and was in 4 superbowls. How many playoffs and superbowls has wade won.

then, think about this, remember the team wade had in denver, he lost twice in the playoffs best i remember. Ok, what did shanahan do after wade left? Shanahan won 2 superbowls 2 years later. Something that wade couldnt do.